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[rolandss]

I hate the idea of this always online connection for single player. It’s completely unnecessary. There’s so much that could stop you playing.

But I sat of GAF and other forums complaining about it for GT Sport before release too. I play GT Sport 3-4 times a week at the moment, and have been playing persistently since launch. It’s affected me about 2 times and it was a minor inconvenience. It won’t affect me much personally, but it wasn’t that long ago I had shit internet.

PD are making a bad decision here though. The excuse they gave for the always online connection with GT Sport was that it was an online focussed game. GT7 brings back the traditional GT game but locks it behind the stability of your home internet, and as someone who’s had shit home internet before it’s a major design flaw for a single player game. If this is about how the game works, community etc, just disable it like Death Stranding does if you’re not connected. Don’t stop us saving campaign progress or even accessing it.

 

[Mabdia]

Well... I really love Gran Turismo since the first one. But always online, i'm out.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

FMH5
30fps@4k
no raytracing (only visamode)
mtx everywhere
loot boxes
free rammers

Spoiler

GT7
60fps@4k
raytaced reflections+
12+ cars on screen
online drm

STOP BEING A CORDON BLEU!

Forza Horizon 5 targets 4K 30 FPS on Xbox Series X, optional 60 FPS mode

Microsoft's Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S lead console performance at launch.

www.windowscentral.com

Spoiler: user score was 7.8 ... that video shows what you can expect.

Maybe you should read the entire article you posted instead of just reading the outdated headline.

Update June 15 (10:30 a.m. ET) — Forza Horizon 5 60 FPS mode detailed​

Creative director on Forza Horizon 5 at Playground Games, Mike Brown, has provided additional context on planned performance modes for the title on Xbox Series X and Xbox Series S. The optional 60 FPS modes will target 4K resolution on Xbox Series X, while still retaining 1080p on Xbox Series S.

 

[Syphon Filter]

I dunno I don't really see the issue, most people have internet going in the background when they play their single player bangers anyway. Seems like a non issue.

Some people like owning games.

 

[PSlayer]

I'll skip it if that is true.

Also,are they still using playstation 2 cars with better textures?

 

[Keihart]

Always online sucks, even if you can launch some games offline by doing some tricks, the games requesting a server validation before even going to an online mode sucks ass.
The most recent example i can think of is Guilty Gear Strive, if you want to go to the lab or play some local vs and the servers are not happy today, prepare for waiting for a couple of minutes in the tittle screen for no good reason.

 

[Can't decide]

But what will the millions of submarine people do!? Why does no one think of the submarine and cabin in the woods people??

It’s 2021, this is fine. Even more so in 2022+ when this releases.

It's alright to make jokes when you're privileged enough to have never been poor or live in a location with abysmal internet.

Some people live pay cheque to pay cheque and may take months to be able to save for a console and a couple of games, but then life throws some small curve balls like the washing machine or car breaking down, so you have to forego luxuries like TV and Internet for a few months in order to pay for repairs.

Others live in locations were internet is incredibly slow and unreliable, which yes, happens in first world countries. I had a short spell of selling internet packages in rural towns of Scotland - the fastest connection I came across was 0.3mbps and could maybe hold a connection for a few minutes before dropping out.

Don't forget that not everybody has the same resources as you before you jest and defend a plastic box.

 

[AutumnLeaves]

Well, I guess I'll play GT3 and 4 until they remove this. Completely asinine.

 

[01011001]

But what will the millions of submarine people do!? Why does no one think of the submarine and cabin in the woods people??

It’s 2021, this is fine. Even more so in 2022+ when this releases.

 

[01011001]

I’d expect PD/Sony to follow the pattern of closing the servers of the preceding titles 6 months or so after the release of their successors.

• GT5: Released November 2010. Servers shut down May 2014.
• GT6: Released December 2013. Servers shut down March 2018.
• GT Sport: Released October 2017. Servers presumably shutting down late 2022 or early 2023.

meanwhile Horizon 1 (8+ years old game now)

 

[Hawking Radiation]

I guess the gamer that can afford a PS4 or PS5 can't afford basic internet.

 

[MrFunSocks]

If I have lost internet I don't play xbox, pc, or any other console games. That somehow makes me a bootlicker?

It's alright to make jokes when you're privileged enough to have never been poor or live in a location with abysmal internet.

Some people live pay cheque to pay cheque and may take months to be able to save for a console and a couple of games, but then life throws some small curve balls like the washing machine or car breaking down, so you have to forego luxuries like TV and Internet for a few months in order to pay for repairs.

Others live in locations were internet is incredibly slow and unreliable, which yes, happens in first world countries. I had a short spell of selling internet packages in rural towns of Scotland - the fastest connection I came across was 0.3mbps and could maybe hold a connection for a few minutes before dropping out.

Don't forget that not everybody has the same resources as you before you jest and defend a plastic box.

Maybe it's me but if I was that poor I wouldn't be buying a game console.

Amazing that now I'm being accused of defending a Playstation lol.

meanwhile Horizon 1 (8+ years old game now)

You just can't buy that game anymore lol.

 

[elliot5]

You just can't buy that game anymore lol.

not new, but there's still secondhand copies on ebay and such

 

[kingwingin]

I'll skip it, I refuse to buy any game that's worthless once the servers shut down

 

[StreetsofBeige]

meanwhile Horizon 1 (8+ years old game now)

Not surprising really. MS keeps up servers a long time.

Also as much shit Activision gets for being greedy, they seem to keep up servers forever. If you guys google it, some people tested to see if COD 2 (game came out in 2005 on 360) and believe it or not Activision still had servers active.

If Sony made COD 2, servers would be shut down in probably 2009.

 

[MrFunSocks]

If you're the type of person still playing a game like this after 4-5+ years, aren't you also the type of person to buy the sequel as soon as it comes out, in which case this isn't a problem at all since you'll stop playing it when you buy the sequel?

 

[hemo memo]

Always online for campaign is stupid no matter how you look at it. The biggest sport game (FIFA) doesn’t have it. Skip.

 

[AutumnLeaves]

If you're the type of person still playing a game like this after 4-5+ years, aren't you also the type of person to buy the sequel as soon as it comes out, in which case this isn't a problem at all since you'll stop playing it when you buy the sequel?

What if you don't buy the sequel immediately or at all? What if the features from GT 7 are not in 8? I mean, there are so may factors in play here. Shutting down servers that quickly is beyond pathetic. One of the reasons playing online on consoles feels so stressful (when will the servers end so I can play as much as I want?). I mean, I still want to play Killzone 2 but I cannot because the servers are shut down. You argument falls flat there. But on PC, on the other hand, I can still play games that are more than 20 years old (for instance, the original UT '99).

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Well, for me. Always online connections isn't a big deal. I'm always connected. And the games I need online the most (COD) has servers that seem to last forever. I was even dabbling with World at War last year and servers are still up.

But it seems always online is an issue:

- You got a shitty connection
- The game maker has a history of discontinuing servers fast
- You play games for a long time. Or even if you don't play it anymore, you still want a game that can always work even if it means randomly popping it in 10+ years later for fun (like me with World at War)

 

[MrFunSocks]

What if you don't buy the sequel immediately or at all? What if the features from GT 7 are not in 8? I mean, there are so may factors in play here. Shutting down servers that quickly is beyond pathetic. One of the reasons playing online on consoles feels so stressful (when will the servers end so I can play as much as I want?). I mean, I still want to play Killzone 2 but I cannot because the servers are shut down. You argument falls flat there. But on PC, on the other hand, I can still play games that are more than 20 years old (for instance, the original UT '99).

None of their other games have required online, so it's pointless making assumptions about when they'll turn the online validation servers off right now. All it's doing is creating and spreading panic. I pretty much *only* play online, have so for 10+ years, and I have never once felt "stressed" about servers going down.

Many games on PC have their servers shut down too btw.

 

[AutumnLeaves]

None of their other games have required online, so it's pointless making assumptions about when they'll turn the online validation servers off right now. All it's doing is creating and spreading panic. I pretty much *only* play online, have so for 10+ years, and I have never once felt "stressed" about servers going down.

Many games on PC have their servers shut down too btw.

Yeah, "panic" is not needed, agreed. And that is great that you have been playing online for 10+ years. There have been many instance with me where the internet has been down after a storm and I have been fortunate enough to play many games that don't require a online check to play.

Yes, I am aware that PC servers have been shut down for games. But many have not. And for those that have, fans always bring their own servers up. Has happened with many, many, games.

 

[njean777]

I was so excited for GT7, but this decision has made me say NOPE. I have decent internet, but this is just unexcusable for SP. Especially when the game is not an MMO or something of that nature (destiny).

 

[hemo memo]

Well, for me. Always online connections isn't a big deal. I'm always connected. And the games I need online the most (COD) has servers that seem to last forever. I was even dabbling with World at War last year and servers are still up.

But it seems always online is an issue:

- You got a shitty connection
- The game maker has a history of discontinuing servers fast
- You play games for a long time. Or even if you don't play it anymore, you still want a game that can always work even if it means randomly popping it in 10+ years later for fun (like me with World at War)

Always online means when a company known for closing servers very early, the game you paid for is know useless. If a game really needed, then okay you can’t make Destiny offline, this is how the game was designed. But we are talking about campaign here!! Why would you put that under always-online?? Unless they force you to buy the next version when it comes out because the previous version is now unplayable.

 

[Y0ssarian]

 

[Barakov]

So they are pulling the same thing they did for GT Sport basically.

Gran Turismo 7's PS5, PS4 Campaign Requires an Online Connection

Bandwidth beggar

www.pushsquare.com

 

[scalman]

My phone is 24/7 online. What year you live in ? Yes my ps5 will be allways online too as its no other way for all updates and patches.

 

[ZywyPL]

So many people already claiming they'll skip the game, but that's the point - you won't, because PD will disable servers for GT:S once they'll see the sales are not going the way they want. They did it twice already and it worked.

 

[StateofMajora]

Hard pass for me then. Go fuck yourself PD I can't believe you'd pull this shit again.

 

[Aenima]

I'll skip it if that is true.

Also,are they still using playstation 2 cars with better textures?

Nop. All cars and tracks on GT Sport was made from scratch.

 

[Dream-Knife]

Maybe it's so they can sell real adds on the ingame billboards, Seen something about some other game doing that a while back I can't remember what (think it was a basketball game)

Bino. Sony had a patent a few years ago for in game advertisements.

Future Sony Titles May Use Impression Based Advertising

Sony files for a new patent that may have disturbing implications for advertising within the gaming industry going forward.

gamerant.com

Imagine paying $70 for a game to have advertisements in it.

 

[Inviusx]

Who's to say that network features aren't integrated into the campaign in a way that enhances the experience beyond what could be achieved in an off-line compatible mode?

Do you concern posters ever look for the forest beyond the trees?

 

[scalman]

Skip what you want really who cares. You do what you want. Normal ppl play games for diff reasons rly and though i never play online games , console is allways online updating patching in sleep mode so i wouldnt need to wait next time when turn it on

 

[nikolino840]

Well... I really love Gran Turismo since the first one. But always online, i'm out.

Why?

 

[arvfab]

I don't care in this particular case, as I'm not into racing games, but online requirements for single-player games are a no-go for me. Really bad move from Sony here.

 

[Miles708]

I hate the idea of this always online connection for single player. It’s completely unnecessary. There’s so much that could stop you playing.

But I sat of GAF and other forums complaining about it for GT Sport before release too. I play GT Sport 3-4 times a week at the moment, and have been playing persistently since launch. It’s affected me about 2 times and it was a minor inconvenience. It won’t affect me much personally, but it wasn’t that long ago I had shit internet.

PD are making a bad decision here though. The excuse they gave for the always online connection with GT Sport was that it was an online focussed game. GT7 brings back the traditional GT game but locks it behind the stability of your home internet, and as someone who’s had shit home internet before it’s a major design flaw for a single player game. If this is about how the game works, community etc, just disable it like Death Stranding does if you’re not connected. Don’t stop us saving campaign progress or even accessing it.

Exactly, not to mention it gives Sony the ability to just shut down the game (like they'll do to GTSport in around 2 years time) and the user has all the inconveniences and absolutely no benefit.

Regardless of how much your internet is stable, this is an objectively bad decision for the consumer, since there are only downsides and potential inconveniences.

Who's to say that network features aren't integrated into the campaign in a way that enhances the experience beyond what could be achieved in an off-line compatible mode?

Do you concern posters ever look for the forest beyond the trees?

Gran Turismo 7 GAAS?
Oh joy.

 

[Can't decide]

Maybe it's me but if I was that poor I wouldn't be buying a game console.

Amazing that now I'm being accused of defending a Playstation lol.

So poorer people aren't allowed to save up for their kids xmas present, got it. Same with people living in poor connection areas, they don't deserve to play? Derps should move elsewhere or what?

You'll get picked up as defending a box when you've been giving thoughtless, privileged answers for a stupid company decision.

 

[clem84]

I don't know to what extent previous GT games are still playable, but if the campaigns of GT7 and previous games are really online only, then it's pretty much a digital game at this point. You're basically paying for the ability to play the game for a few years, and when support ends, that's it. The game is 90% unplayable. If you're ok with that, then there's no problem. Just don't go thinking you're preserving anything with your physical copy.

 

[kyussman]

It really should say "internet connection required" on the boxes of games consoles these days,i'm not sure how anyone can use one properly without one.

 

[Roman Empire]

Not touching another GT game. GT Sport sucked if you didn't want to invest (or didn't have the time or will) in the competitive aspect of it and stuck with the singleplayer.

 

[Roman Empire]

I don't know to what extent previous GT games are still playable, but if the campaigns of GT7 and previous games are really online only, then it's pretty much a digital game at this point. You're basically paying for the ability to play the game for a few years, and when support ends, that's it. The game is 90% unplayable. If you're ok with that, then there's no problem. Just don't go thinking you're preserving anything with your physical copy.

It doesn't even matter when the disc is basically a key for you to access the game because you have to download everything to your hardware anyway. The worst is you buying the "physical" edition and you open the package only to find a key to download the game in the store. Fuck that!

 

[V4skunk]

Well... I really love Gran Turismo since the first one. But always online, i'm out.

It isn't always online. You just need it to access online features lol.

Not touching another GT game. GT Sport sucked if you didn't want to invest (or didn't have the time or will) in the competitive aspect of it and stuck with the singleplayer.

GTSport isn't even a main line GT game.

 

[Mabdia]

It isn't always online. You just need it to access online features lol.

GTSport isn't even a main line GT game.

Yeah... you just need to be online to play the campaign of the game... Come on!

I shouldn't have to explain it. Fallow the context, please.

Why?

Because it sucks when my internet connection isn't that good or when I don't have any. Or even when I don't have any at all.

I really love GT since the first one. Played all games of the franchise. Even now I play the old ones. But if I'm a sucker and get GT7, one day I might lose all because some idiot think that the campaign or the modes that shouldn't require internet connection, but it does.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

Yeah... you just need to be online to play the campaign of the game... Come on!

I shouldn't have to explain it. Fallow the context, please.




Because it sucks when my internet connection isn't that good or when I don't have any. Or even when I don't have any at all.

I really love GT since the first one. Played all games of the franchise. Even now I play the old ones. But if I'm a sucker and get GT7, one day I might lose all because some idiot think that the campaign or the modes that shouldn't require internet connection, but it does.

Your online connection for singleplayer has nothing to do with the quality of your singleplayer gameplay. There wont be lag or you getting kicekd out of a race all of a sudden. Always online is there for verifying your game is legit and accessing online items like multiplayer, shop for liveries etc.No one can argue especially on this forum that this is an issue as you already are 24/7 connected. And for those saying you want to "own" the game....it sucks but how long are you going to be beating a dead horse? For the last 8-10 years games and their servers are being pulled.

Look at NFS...they recently completely removed 4 titles from the late 2000s. Unless you have a physical copy or download a torrent, you can never play the game anymore. What about Driveclub, you can only find a physical copy but the servers are gone which made up the majority of the game and all the DLC is wiped out which made the game better than it was. Forza Motorsport 7 is a 4 year old game and its getting removed forever from the shops. Unless you find a physical copy you can never buy this game online again and thats only after 4 years. I dont like it either but, this is the way its going to be, you dont own shit anymore. We arent in the SNES/megadrive era anymore.

 

[bender]

Look at NFS...they recently completely removed 4 titles from the late 2000s. Unless you have a physical copy or download a torrent, you can never play the game anymore. What about Driveclub, you can only find a physical copy but the servers are gone which made up the majority of the game and all the DLC is wiped out which made the game better than it was. Forza Motorsport 7 is a 4 year old game and its getting removed forever from the shops. Unless you find a physical copy you can never buy this game online again and thats only after 4 years. I dont like it either but, this is the way its going to be, you dont own shit anymore. We arent in the SNES/megadrive era anymore.

The GT7 scenario would be worse as if you own any of the titles you listed digitally or physically, you can still play those games. If GT7's requires an online connection for singe player, it will render the game unplayable once the servers for it are shut down.

 

[V4skunk]

Yeah... you just need to be online to play the campaign of the game... Come on!

I shouldn't have to explain it. Fallow the context, please.




Because it sucks when my internet connection isn't that good or when I don't have any. Or even when I don't have any at all.

I really love GT since the first one. Played all games of the franchise. Even now I play the old ones. But if I'm a sucker and get GT7, one day I might lose all because some idiot think that the campaign or the modes that shouldn't require internet connection, but it does.

GTSport does not require Internet to play the singleplayer. You are talking crap.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

The GT7 scenario would be worse as if you own any of the titles you listed digitally or physically, you can still play those games. If GT7's requires an online connection for singe player, it will render the game unplayable once the servers for it are shut down.

I get it but we got NFS Hot Pursuit (2010). NFS 2015, both always online games and they still work. But it is inevitable that this is the way going forward and they will be getting shut down. I cant remember which game it was but the developer released a patch so that even though the servers went out after like 10 years, they still made the game playable for you in singleplayer. Its unfortunate and like I said I dont like it but we cant change this. I still havent gotten a PS5 but im seriously considering going full digital because even with my PS4, some of these games are unplayable or unfinished without that big patch download.

 

[bender]

I get it but we got NFS Hot Pursuit (2010). NFS 2015, both always online games and they still work. But it is inevitable that this is the way going forward and they will be getting shut down. I cant remember which game it was but the developer released a patch so that even though the servers went out after like 10 years, they still made the game playable for you in singleplayer. Its unfortunate and like I said I dont like it but we cant change this. I still havent gotten a PS5 but im seriously considering going full digital because even with my PS4, some of these games are unplayable or unfinished without that big patch download.

We can't change it but we can vote with out wallets. Hoping for a patch isn't much of a strategy or very comforting.

I went mostly digital last generation mostly because of convivence and, like you said, the discs are largely outdated by the time the game launches. So I'm not afraid of digital games.

 

[Inviusx]

We can't change it but we can vote with out wallets. Hoping for a patch isn't much of a strategy or very comforting.

I went mostly digital last generation mostly because of convivence and, like you said, the discs are largely outdated by the time the game launches. So I'm not afraid of digital games.

So your not going to buy GT7 because you're worried about the servers being taken off-line in 7-10 years? If that's your choice then you do you I guess. I dont foresee a scenario where an old game is taken off-line without atleast 2 newer versions being available.

 

[bender]

So your not going to buy GT7 because you're worried about the servers being taken off-line in 7-10 years? If that's your choice then you do you I guess. I dont foresee a scenario where an old game is taken off-line without atleast 2 newer versions being available.

It will certainly give me pause and that's not something I would have said as recent as Playstation Showcase that just happened.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

One problem with games controlled by company servers (especially games with heavy community creations) isnt only it'll be discontinued. Thats happens to all games at some point (although Activision COD seems to last forever, even COD 2!).

But more importantly, when it's shut down with zero heads up.

On the plus side, LBP3 servers are updated and active for PS4.

The games servers were supposed already down due to attacks (but they still didnt give gamers a heads up about perma shut down).