Fredrik
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What is this about, are some new TVs better than others in bright rooms? Sounds like searching for a projector
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I need a new TV for my brand new XSX and upcoming PS5
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Bernd Lauert
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Q90 is much brighter than C1. C1 brightness is good enough for dark or semi-dark rooms, but not enough for bright rooms (imo).
Chiggs
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Evo panel = 10-15% higher brightness.
5 year warranty vs 1 year, which is great for people worried about burn-in.
If you can stretch the budget, the G1 is a good option. C1, of course, is a great value. Not trying to dog everyone’s favorite OLED Jesus, even though the Sony a90J has a better pic.
Edit: G1 build quality is fantastic, too.
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ethomaz
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C1 is just fine in brighter rooms.
The only place it should really be a issue is if it is in external location with sun light directly on the TV.
I use a CX in a brighter room for the whole day and at night I use with the light on.
OLED is indeed less brighter than LCD but because one tech is outdated in basically 90% of aspects the LCD side take that brighter state as something out of proportions.
It is better than PLASMA in brighter rooms btw and I have a PLASMA for near 10 years without any issue on a brighter room... unless you will put your TV in your Pool area it won't be issue at all.
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FeldMonster
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Vincent made this guide to help people figure out when the best time of year to purchase is.
HeisenbergFX4
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Yup.
Don't forget CES is first week in Jan and we will see what all the new models are as well.
Fredrik
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Thanks didn’t know this, is it the same for all OLEDs?
The Bravia XE9305 I have right now is from 2017, nothing special compared to modern TVs I assume but it’s super bright and i like that. No VRR, 4k120, Dolby Vision game mode though.
Fredrik
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Oh okay that sounds better. What’s the normal peak brightness for OLEDs?
HeisenbergFX4
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One more thing that might make a difference to you as the US model of the QN90A only has 1 HDMI 2.1 input where as the UK model has the break out box that has 4 HDMI 2.1 where as the C1 also has 4 HDMI 2.1s
Only having 1 HDMI 2.1 is kind of a pain in the backside switching between both new consoles
Cert.in.Death
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Do your homework for any of the LG OLED models between 2019 and 2021. The B9/C9/E9 is where, IIRC, when HDMI 2.1 started to be included and they should all support VRR.
Caio
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Better I wait, haste is bad counselor.
Chiggs
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Hate to burst your bubble, but that Sony you're rocking from from 2017 was one of their premium models, with peak brightness that could hit 1500 nits. In fact, it was often dubbed the "light cannon." I know this because I own the same TV, and it still gives modern LED TVs a run for their money.
If you go into this thinking that a C1 is going to be as bright as that unit, think again...it won't be the case. The LG will definitely have the overall superior picture, but it will not touch that unit's brightness.
You want bright, go with the Samsung q90 or Hisense u8g.
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FeldMonster
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Different technologies have different strengths and weaknesses.
The LG C1 is an Organic Light Emitting Diode (O.L.E.D.). To prevent degradation they are limited in maximum brightness. It is an emissivite technology. On top of that, the C1 does not have an anti-reflective coating, so reflections can be an issue. Each individual O.L.E.D. can be turned off leading to true blacks and thus a high contrast ratio (technically infinite).
The Samsung Q90/Q95 (Q.L.E.D.) is fundamentally a Liquid Crystal Display (L.C.D.) but massively enhanced using a mini-L.E.D. backlight with full array local dimming (to reduce blooming and to improve the black levels) and a quantum dot layer to enhance color. This is a transmissive technology. The maximum brightness is more than double (perhaps triple, I don't recall the exact specs on nits) that of the best O.L.E.D TVs. A negative is that the response time is far slower for individual pixels. But, it has a superior anti-reflective coating compared to the LG.
If gaming is your primary consideration, and/or the TV will be in a dark room (such as a basement), the LG C1 is probably your best bet.
If you have mixed usage for the TV (streaming, sports, movies, gaming) and/or if it will be in a bright room, then the Samsung QN90 would be better.
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ethomaz
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Do you mean in numbers? I don't know... I have the TVs that is why I'm talking.
But I believe it should be something between 400-600 nits... maybe the A90j goes over that.
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OmegaSupreme
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I wouldn't consider anything but oled at this point.
Chiggs
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400-600 nits is entry level tier, honestly.
Rtings has a fantastic chart of all the brightest TVs:
Our TV Picture Quality Tests: SDR Peak Brightness
Brightness refers to the maximum luminance of a TV. A higher brightness means the TV can make the picture look brighter, which can help with visibility in a bright room.
www.rtings.com
It's all in the wrist
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LG C1. I wouldn't consider anything else. The image is mesmerizing
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Fredrik
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Heh yeah it’s like looking into the sun in bright hdr scenes, I assumed new TVs were even brighter though. I’ll take a look at the Q90, I’ve heard good things about that.
Fredrik
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Thanks, very informative post!
Fredrik
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Seems like a non issue to me, when do you look at the TV from the sides?
ResetEraVetVIP
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LG C1.
Chiggs
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Heh yeah it’s like looking into the sun in bright hdr scenes, I assumed new TVs were even brighter though. I’ll take a look at the Q90, I’ve heard good things about that.
You'll get a kick out of this comparison video which directly compares the Sony X930 and the A90j, their flagship OLED. X930 is a legendary set.
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ParaSeoul
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PSA: the U8G in Europe and Australia is a gimped version
ParaSeoul
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Local dimming in game mode on Samsungs is slow I've heard
Chiggs
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PSA #2: only buy the 65 inch version of the U8G, since it has 360 dimming zones, whereas the 55" only has 132.
Vasto
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I will have the US version tomorrow. 1500 nits on the box but many have reported actually getting almost 2000 nits.
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ParaSeoul
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Just nits?I will have the US version tomorrow. 1500 nits on the box but many have reported almost 2000 nits.
Chiggs
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I will have the US version tomorrow. 1500 nits on the box but many have reported actually getting almost 2000 nits.
I have one recommendation for you when calibrating your new set:
Vasto
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I am talking about nits of brightness. Its 2nd only to the QN90A.
Fredrik
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and here I’ve been thinking it’s nothing special. Everything looks a bit too dark on the A90, like it’s always cloudy weather, going by that video at least.
Vasto
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Fact: Your OLED TV is Not Bright Enough for HDR. Here's Why
Chiggs
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Yeah, I just didn't want you walking into a situation where you automatically think newer equals better. Unfortunately, in the world of the consumer electronics, newer technologies often have one goal in mind: reduction of manufacturing cost.
X930 was nearly as good as the Z9 when it came out, which is unheard of.
OLEDs will definitely provide you with superb colors and contrasts, which LEDs cannot touch, but when it comes to specular highlights and HDR punch, well...they're just not as good.
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Ulysses 31
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OLEDs in general are less bright than LCDs and if the room's too bright it will pollute the perfect contrast and perfect blacks to the point it won't look better than LCDs.
HeisenbergFX4
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Its why I said earlier I prefer the QN90A that extra punch to the HDR makes a nice difference
Mister Wolf
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You ever considered buying one these:
HDMI 2.1 Switch 8K HDMI Splitter 2 in 1 Out, BolAAzuL HDMI 2.1 Switcher 8K@60Hz 4K@120Hz 48Gbps 2 Input 1 Output Unidirectional for X-Box PS5 PS4 Blue-ray Player Projectors Monitors https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09B78TM7V/?tag=neogaf0e-20
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HeisenbergFX4
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Just bought it and will try it
Have meant to look for something like this but you made it too easy now have no excuse not to try it
Thank you btw
Mister Wolf
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Just bought it and will try it
Have meant to look for something like this but you made it too easy now have no excuse not to try it
Thank you btw
For sure. We've both spent big money on these TVs, another $40 won't hurt us haha.
Caio
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Thanks for all the info, much better to open a Thread here than only rely on reviews, so many details are not coming out and missed.
CES 2022 is coming next year, I think in Las Vegas, from January 5 through January 8.
Hopefully we’ll see some "cutting-edge" TV technology from LG, Samsung and Sony. From all the info I got here, it seems wiser to wait for the new models and then make a decision !
CES 2022 is coming next year, I think in Las Vegas, from January 5 through January 8.
Hopefully we’ll see some "cutting-edge" TV technology from LG, Samsung and Sony. From all the info I got here, it seems wiser to wait for the new models and then make a decision !
Azurro
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You won't get the black levels of an OLED in an LCD. In fact, you should never get an LCD if you can get an OLED tv unless you either have a very bright room or are planning on using it as a monitor. Samsung's brightness is nice and all, but the moment you have nighttime scenes in anything, then it's all a grey and washed out experience.