That's exactly the reason why pre-orders are off. The developers don't understand the western market at all.theyr stuck in 2006 or something . This game does not look modern in term of presenting a product tht would sell in this decade
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18 minutes of new Final Fantasy 16 gameplay has been published
Chukhopops
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So they weren’t kidding when they said enemies will only attack one at a time, you can see it clearly at 13:00.
I know I’ve been really negative about this one but holy moly does the gameplay look boring. I can’t imagine 30 hours of this.
I know I’ve been really negative about this one but holy moly does the gameplay look boring. I can’t imagine 30 hours of this.
James Sawyer Ford
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ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
It's Wo Long, unofficial Sekiro sequel.
NightmareFarm
Member
FF16 will probably break the lock.Top 3 is a lock
NightmareFarm
Member
You realise this is probably a low difficulty lmao. And enemies don't attack you offscreen just like in the DMC games. Not to mention the two other assists are fighting off the other enemies...
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Eotheod
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Yo
You chose the worst example possible to make a case against turn based combat. Long Gui is a superboss, hence it taking so long to kill. It quite literally has an accolade to it:https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Long_Gui_(Final_Fantasy_XIII)
You chose the worst example possible to make a case against turn based combat. Long Gui is a superboss, hence it taking so long to kill. It quite literally has an accolade to it:https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Long_Gui_(Final_Fantasy_XIII)
NightmareFarm
Member
I swear at this point people just hate anything SE related lmao. The company can't catch a break at all.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
James Sawyer Ford
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TheBROgamer
Banned
Looks generic
ProtoByte
Member
Yeah. It's very early PS3 or even PS2-ish in the way the moment-moment combat comes across.
NightmareFarm
Member
That's a good thing lol. You guys just want constant long winded animations for everything and automated tracking?
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Lokaum D+
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ProtoByte
Member
For some people, sure. But it's clear that it's not convincing enough for many, hence the low pre-orders.
Flashy animations only go so far. We have a lot more of them now thanks to better button-action design, but it's not going to be thay exciting to actually fight enemies; getting into a rapport where you get the sense that there's an effective enough opponent and not just a dummy to stunt on.
justonething
Jada's BFF
Final Fantasy XVI: Doors of the Kingdom
Goddamn that was boring XD In 18 minutes the only gameplay was bashiing one button to hit a character, there's no strategy involved whatsoever. So they have the combat of DMC/Bayo but without anything that makes it fun like the dynamicness, things that were pointed out here. The enemies just stiffly stand there whilst you're hitting them with so much force.
Gotta love how the camera just constantly jerks and pans about in some dark and cramped room whilst all these particles and numbers pop in so you can't really see what's going on.
Everything about this is boring and poorly thought out. How can you have 18 minutes of gameplay doing the same shit without any sort of variation? Who thought intert rupting the flow of gameplay to get you to bash buttons to open doors was a good idea?
It looks dull and generic. This team should not have been allowed to do a mainline FF game.
Goddamn that was boring XD In 18 minutes the only gameplay was bashiing one button to hit a character, there's no strategy involved whatsoever. So they have the combat of DMC/Bayo but without anything that makes it fun like the dynamicness, things that were pointed out here. The enemies just stiffly stand there whilst you're hitting them with so much force.
Gotta love how the camera just constantly jerks and pans about in some dark and cramped room whilst all these particles and numbers pop in so you can't really see what's going on.
Everything about this is boring and poorly thought out. How can you have 18 minutes of gameplay doing the same shit without any sort of variation? Who thought intert rupting the flow of gameplay to get you to bash buttons to open doors was a good idea?
It looks dull and generic. This team should not have been allowed to do a mainline FF game.
NightmareFarm
Member
So what do you mean then? From the looks of it you were advocating for flashy animations when you said the game is remniscent of 00s gameplay and that is a "bad" thing.
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ProtoByte
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Flashy animations aren't bad if they're paired with a tactile gameplay and audio-visual effect. One that feels credible. That's not being seen here. Clive is summoning the claws of a wind god and slashing them at wild speed, and human enemies are staggering to it like he's hitting them with a baseball bat. That's the problem.
All the particle effects and superhuman maneuvers in the world just seem mundane at best and frustrating at worst when you're fighting enemies that should be burnt to a crisp by a fireball, and instead chew it with a little bit of animation stagger. Or maybe you get them into a canned stagger state.
The game isn't going to be bad, but it's not looking like what excites people at this point.
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Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
I want to see this variation you talk of from other FFs. The sewers and train yard in ff7r perhaps? Or the dull boring dungeon designs of 12? That unpolished mess of caverns in ff15? What did you see there from both level design perspective and gameplay one? What do you see there that here you don’t see?
I swear some people here sound like they never played ff and just drop here to troll. Lol
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White-fire
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Just putting it out there that this game should be massive, more than just this gameplay (which looks fine) and I believe it review well by critics and fans. The best parts of the game have not been shown, and I could show 18 minutes of many well received games and people could say "it's boring". All that matters is how the whole game comes together.
Barakov
Member
Seems like it'll be a great game. Whether it'll be a great FF game is a whole other conversation. TBH, I'm kinda worried about this one. Almost seems like it should've been a spin off.
It looks absolutely chaotic with that excessive particle effects, lack of lighting, constant camera zooming in-out, and an overload of on-screen menus, health bars, and damage numbers. It's difficult to see what's happening, so it's no surprise that the game can be played by simply mashing one button.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Classic example of so much flashing shit going on constantly that within 2 minutes your brain is just numb to it.
Looks so bad imo but maybe it's actually amazing to play which will never translate through a video.
Looks so bad imo but maybe it's actually amazing to play which will never translate through a video.
ProtoByte
Member
This is the point I was making in my thread about the game.
Looking at this footage though, I'm guessing any very high critical praise will come from the narrative - gameplay will be deemed as good, but nothing incredible.
NightmareFarm
Member
"Human" enemies(I assume you mean like the Ironblood Crusaders at the start of the video) react plenty to what Clive is doing. You can see his body bending left to right frantically as he is getting sliced and diced up. You realise that specific move you mentioned is a multitap hitter. What, did you expect him to go flying right into jupiter whilst clive is still slashing, because that would be awful game design, that's not how it works in games like DMC either. The enemy remains in place whilst uncontrollably being slightly moved around then sent flying once you are done slashing and want to finish the attack. That's how those type of moves work in action games, kind of like the million stab in DMC3 or PPPPP in Bayonetta.
>when you're fighting enemies that should be burnt to a crisp by a fireball, and instead chew it with a little bit of animation stagger. Or maybe you get them into a canned stagger state.
Again that is not how action games(quality ones at least...) work where realism takes precedent over gameplay. If every enemy was burnt to a crisp when you shoot out a fireball there would be NO difficulty whatsoever. And if you meant the Ifrit limit break ultimate, then I am puzzled because we literally see those human enemies being held up in mid-air merely by the flames passing through them, lose basically all their HP and fall backwards onto the ground helpless until Clive executes them.
And if you are referring to the elite heavy MINIBOSSES with the hammer, the elite heavies are meant to be just that. They aren't meant to react much. Same applies to games like DMC, you have the "elite" enemies like the large mantis in DMC5 which soaks basically every attack you throw at it without even staggering at all.
Very strange attempts at nitpicks here, I have to say.
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March Climber
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Pejo
by mentioning Honkai Star Rail, you have somehow stumbled into the point I’ve been making to turn based RPG fans for a while now:The genre simply thrives better on mobile/portable. The more people who accept this, the more the genre will improve and expand on mobile and portable devices.
Some genres are simply better on certain platforms. Turn based games are simply better on the go. This obviously includes Switch and Steam Deck. I’d argue the same goes for small puzzle games too, like Tetris or Bejeweled.
NightmareFarm
Member
If it wasn't generic you guys would hate on it harder for "not being a Final Fantasy".
Ronin_7
Member
How is this even possible
Yea, no modern audiences like turn based combat mirite?
These lads are making bank
hyperbertha
Member
Yup. Feedback is very important for believability, and visual enjoyment. If enemies don't react to being hit properly, it's a sub par system.
balls of snow
Member
I misremember, but is there a hard mode at launch or only after you beat the game.
hyperbertha
Member
From soft games variety doesn't come from pointless combos no. But they manage to make every single fight interesting, even 1 on 1.
NightmareFarm
Member
How do enemies not respond to being hit properly? Timestamps? People keep saying this but I am puzzled, enemies in the footage shown seem to respond to getting hit like they would in any other action game.
If you are talking about the heavies like fanatics, they aren't supposed to react by default. This applies to pretty much every other action game.
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The Cockatrice
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That looked flashy, visually pleasing but also boring pathethically easy.
I hope the difficulty in that video is journalist level, else I dont see myself ever touching this, at least not full price anyway..
Hopefully we can get a demo
I hope the difficulty in that video is journalist level, else I dont see myself ever touching this, at least not full price anyway..
Hopefully we can get a demo
hyperbertha
Member
I don't care how much you love the combat but you can't deny some of those enemies are way too damage spongy. A whole minute for a non boss? Come on.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
It has been said over and over again but unless you know and learn how to stagger quickly things can get long. Same as FF7R where same player can get minutes to have things done while another one under 60 secs. I remember in my second playthrough I was taking 1/3 of the time taking enemies down. I’m sure is the same here.
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NightmareFarm
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hyperbertha
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This is a discussion forum not an echo chamber. Stfu bitch!If you don't like the game then leave. There's the door
hyperbertha
Member
Way too long. I doubt it qualifies as a miniboss. It's just a normal heavy type. A miniboss that you are fighting three times in as many minutes? No way. Sorry but with the lack of vareity in gameplay, 1 minute is too much.
GymWolf
Member
Square said that the demos we saw have trash mobs with more life so journalist and youtubers can style on them to show the combat, in the final game trash mobs should die quicker.
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ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
I hope so. It still seems more like a generic action game rather than a FF game.
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GymWolf
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It's probably hard to find people on ign that have all 10 fingers.
NightmareFarm
Member
Please post timestamp of the enemy you're referring to then.
Lack of variety in gameplay? False. You can attack, charge attack, do a forward stinger with just your basic melee input, you can shoot out elemental blasts and charge it up for altered properties like a launch with Fira, you can also hold the button down whilst fighting to use it at the appropriate moment(ala DMC charge shot) And then there are the Eikons in which you get three exclusive moves, one being it's default trait which varies greatly between each Eikon, ranging from teleporting to a grappling hook to homing lightning bolts to a shield to a flamethrower and so forth. You have two other Eikon moves which you can swap around in the menu as well. And on top of that you can swap between three entire Eikon instantaneously, so to sum things up you have essentially nine command moves on the fly as well as your basic attack with it's alternate functions like forward thrusts and then 3 variants of magic projectiles for each Eikon with altered properties. Not to mention you can vary your combo/attacking patterns up a lot with jump cancels and aerial dashes.
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