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Some of us don'tWhile everyone was focusing on Sony and Microsoft, we all forgot who actually screws the consumer on a regular basis. Fuck Nintendo.
Some of us don'tWhile everyone was focusing on Sony and Microsoft, we all forgot who actually screws the consumer on a regular basis. Fuck Nintendo.
I wonder if a group of Russian or Chinese devs took the mantle, can Nintendo sue them
EGGns and DaemonSwitch are next. Those chinese commies don't know who they're messing with.
As others have said... maybe don't go around bragging you've got Tears Of The Kingdom running on your emulation platform before the game fucking releases. Any argument about 'we don't do this to pirate games' goes right out the window. They didn't have a leg to stand on.
I have read somewhere that the people behind Yuzu have formed a company or so. So I guess it's possible to declare bankruptcy?2.4 millions is still a lot of money. For them, not for Nintendo. I guess they can call bankrupt?
You jest, but it's probably behind the corner.So when's the next update?
Ok Nintendo, please just don’t sue menever give takes on legal matters again please, thanks
Source on that? From what i understand its a bit of a grey area but Jailbreaking has been legal on most devices since 2010.Lesson learned:
Don't set up your emulation company, communication server, code repo, etc. in the US. A country where it is illegal to jailbreak/hack the hardware that you bought and own. Yes, you are not allowed to do what you want with the thing you own. Completely mental.
Do it in EU, for example, where Nintendo would have much less of a leg to stand on if they tried something like that.
That's the point, though, nobody has the resources to take a big, lawyered up company to court.Now companies might have different opinions and as long as nobody takes them to court over it...
So why not go against people making the illegal use ?Emulators might not be illegal but they were making money from it and pretty sure most people were using for illegal way, of course Nintendo is going after them.....most companies would have done the same because Nintendo or any companies for that matter are not your friend.
Yes, why not go against millions of people around the globe impossible to actually find and pursue if you can go against just a single person or company?So why not go against people making the illegal use ?
Oh, so if you are unable to prevent people from driving too fast, then let's attack all car manufacturers instead.Yes, why not go against millions of people around the globe impossible to actually find and pursue if you can go against just a single person or company?
.... was that a serious question?
Except you can prevent people from driving too fast and catch then fairly easily if they do with routine checks.Oh, so if you are unable to prevent people from driving too fast, then let's attack all car manufacturers instead.
Makes so much sense !
So it is actually possible to catch the people who ARE the ones doing the illegal actions.Except you can prevent people from driving too fast and catch then fairly easily.
Which is what happens in the real world.
.... are you 13 or something? I feel like I'm talking to a child here.
So... how do you find the millions of people emulating illegally around the globe, then, to pursue them all individually?So it is actually possible to catch the people who ARE the ones doing the illegal actions.
Can't find the guy who killed someone ? Attack the knife manufacturer.
Skyrocketing IQ display here. Came up with that one yourself?Quite frankly, I feel like I am talking to a sheep.
If the car manufacturer were encouraging people to drive at 120mph there would also be lawsuitsOh, so if you are unable to prevent people from driving too fast, then let's attack all car manufacturers instead.
Makes so much sense !
So... how do you find the millions of people around the globe, then, to pursue them all individually?
You made the assertion that catching people who drive too fast was easy. I am curious to see in what way it is easy. Do you realize the efforts and money actually required for this to even be possible ?In a way that would be more feasible than going after the providers/developers of emulation software?
It doesn't matter if you think it make sense or not, if Nintendo sees a tool that can be used illegally to steal their property then they are going shut it down.….just like any company in the world they will do what it takes to protect their property…..they are not you friend or running some kind of charity.Emulators are tools and banning them because some use them for illegal means would make no sense. You are not responsible for other people's action as long as you yourself are not providing anything illegal.
It is fairly easy, as I wrote. Doesn't even require a lot of human interaction.You made the assertion that catching people who drive too fast was easy. I am curious to see in what way it is easy. Do you realize the efforts and money actually required for this to even be possible ?
This is true, but they DID do some illegal stuff, so... and the whole concept of emulation via doing something like jailbreaking is illegal in the US (unless it is one of the exceptions, which in this case it isn't).Who cares anyway. It seems that yuzu did some illegal stuff, so very well. They should pay for this. But I don't think I read it was the emulator itself.
Emulators are tools and banning them because some use them for illegal means would make no sense. You are not responsible for other people's action as long as you yourself are not providing anything illegal.
Not by default, but in this case you can. And it obviously worked out for Nintendo - and likely would have even if they had no legal ground to stand on, because yuzu team likely doesn't have the resources to deal with court & lawyers.Because you are incapable of pursuing the actual culprit doesn't mean that you can pursue someone else by default.
Yeah, they were completey stupid about it.i think the lesson here is. if you want to be a pirate keep it to yourself, the lawsuit was about piracy, not emulation.
and last time i check their discord they were brazenly sharingdumpscopies in there, on any other emulator discord or SNS they will sack you even attempting to mention ISOS or roms.
edit: just realized "sharing dumps" sound hilarious.
It was about sending a message I thinkDamn.....that was really fast.
So much for the theory that Nintendo wanted this to go to court.
Kickstarter, it go fund me.Where Yuzu folks will get that money?
i still think Nintendo wanted to go to court, i mean, they had nothing to lose, at much a couple of grands on legal fees which to their litigation funds its meaningless, they essentially have bottomless funds for that.It was about sending a message I think
Maybe Nintendo thought they could loose and establish a precedent that would affect future similar actions .... It certainly wasn't for 2.4 million dollars. But who knows what they were/are thinking.i still think Nintendo wanted to go to court, i mean, they had nothing to lose, at much a couple of grands on legal fees which to their litigation funds its meaningless, they essentially have bottomless funds for that.
what i do believe happened this time, is that the dudes at Tropical Haze decided 2.4 million was a small price they could live with, specially when you remember Nintendo slammed a 14 million bill on a single guy aptly named as the villain from Mario.
There was also the danger of the judge ruling out against Nintendo. Emulation won in the court once, if this case established that once more, with an even clearer and more modern definition that its perfectly ok to make and sell emulators, and that there is no problem circumventing protection measures in the equipment you own as long as its for personal use, they'd be able to do absolutely nothing against a day 1 Switch 2 emulator. Something that could potentially create an issue with them trying to sell their costumers overpriced "remasters" of Switch games.i still think Nintendo wanted to go to court, i mean, they had nothing to lose, at much a couple of grands on legal fees which to their litigation funds its meaningless, they essentially have bottomless funds for that.
what i do believe happened this time, is that the dudes at Tropical Haze decided 2.4 million was a small price they could live with, specially when you remember Nintendo slammed a 14 million bill on a single guy aptly named as the villain from Mario.
Shows how justice is totally broken.and likely would have even if they had no legal ground to stand on, because yuzu team likely doesn't have the resources to deal with court & lawyers
yeah, but correct me if i wrong, but the case here with yuzu was not about emulation, was about piracy.There was also the danger of the judge ruling out against Nintendo. Emulation won in the court once, if this case established that once more, with an even clearer and more modern definition that its perfectly ok to make and sell emulators, and that there is no problem circumventing protection measures in the equipment you own as long as its for personal use, they'd be able to do absolutely nothing against a day 1 Switch 2 emulator. Something that could potentially create an issue with them trying to sell their costumers overpriced "remasters" of Switch games.
The piracy argument is just used as a means, the court case they made was even trying to argue the piracy and emulation were basically the same thing.yeah, but correct me if i wrong, but the case here with yuzu was not about emulation, was about piracy.
same as the Team Xecuter lawsuit.
The real news here is Nintendo found a way to "circumvent" the "right to emulate" your own stuff by implementing a security lawyer to their proprietary OS that effectively makes it impossible to emulate..
Yuzu said:"We anticipate that there will be significant attention on Switch emulation in the lead up to the TotK release. However, we are not concerned as emulating the Switch is completely legal and we have successfully navigated many high-profile Nintendo releases in the past," says Bunnei, the lead developer of Yuzu.
is this true
Yuzu stole code
That's a clear violation of the settlement - look at the first paragraph.yuzu devs can continue the project in the shadows, the thing is that, without patreon, a lot will not for sure
Nintendo's NinjasWhat is the Nintendo's lawyers firm?
No, you go against the producers of the drug and the dealers instead of the addicts. They have taken down sites when they could but nowadays most are host in Russia or China, places where they can't do anything.Oh, so if you are unable to prevent people from driving too fast, then let's attack all car manufacturers instead.
Not sure if that would be possible, you already conceded once, if you were to create a PS5 emulator Sony would be able to use this settlement.if I was one of them I just wouldn't bother and target a different platform for emulation
They messed it up by posting screenshots of unreleased games running on their emulator which invited the DMCA. Then it was a matter of time until finding all the piracy inside their Discord or even their own computers. So they had to settle with all Nintendo asked for, even accepting that circumventing protection is considered illegal (we will see if the judge agrees with that). That press release Yuzu released basically blamed end users for their demise, doubt they would have written that had they been able to choose.Their quick settlement seems to imply they did. The suit wasn’t about emulation, it’s about DMCA infringement. Which from what I’m reading Yuzu had/stole code?
If the car manufacturer were encouraging people to drive at 120mph there would also be lawsuits
I'm all for emulation and preservation of games. They just have to be older games that are harder or impossible to play in a modern environment. Surly you must see the difference in emulating a current in production machine?
Although everyone here apparently only plays their bought ripped games you must acknowledge that yuzu is enabling piracy of modern games. This just doesn't seem healthy for the games industry.
I've emulated plenty of games over the years but they have always been a decade or old at least. There is a difference I believe.
Not sure if that would be possible, you already conceded once, if you were to create a PS5 emulator Sony would be able to use this settlement.