i actually stopped reading your rebuttal right here because if you don't even understand what the word "story" means, what's the fucking point?
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[Anime] Your "Controversial" Opinions
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i actually stopped reading your rebuttal right here because if you don't even understand what the word "story" means, what's the fucking point?
Basileus777
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People seem to like it enough on premium cable, HBO and Starz seems to do alright with it.
Translation: I don't like anime character designs.
And my Spice & Wolf example was nothing like the shounen/key shots. Overall, it was a silly point with no concrete definition and just a lot of "yea, that that!"
ShinjukoOtaku
Neo Member
Time Of Eve is one of the greatest anime series of all time
You're taking my definition too seriously because anything can be a story. Obviously when I said "no story" I meant that the story is horse shit (don't take that literally as well).
Yeah that was a pretty silly post on his part, there's plenty of "fanservice" in TV shows.
HMV has the box version in stock for 8.2k yen (multibuy)!
Did you ever get the shipping notice yet btw?
Honestly, when there are naked people in hbo, it feels a lot more honest than the sort of stuff you see in anime, where the entire shot is constructed to tittilate. comically falling on tits, accidental groping, etc
Guess who is back...
Heres my own.
-Unlike western animation and live action which i take a more intellectual view with - i see the genre IMO with more mainstream/economic eyes than most - which flies in the face of many here but then again i come from a western/francophone backround with animation than those that started out.
-That being said, anybody hating on DragonBallZ and its predessesor doesnt get it. Its a soap. Animated yes but a Soap, just like WWF in the 90's. A good soap will beat any intellectual wank fest consering anime just on the basis of its form factor.
-Which leads me to the other view. Seth MacFarlane is nothing more than Al Kahn, Haim Saban, or any other of the 6 men who brought anime to the dance in the states - the MAJOR diffrence why Seth is successful? Hes not a union buster. (He also worked on these shows and is more of a writer but still same idea)
-The six anime that did well this year can all succeed in the states - but Funi and Crunchy have no brass and less class.
-I remember a comment Blackface made before i was banned, Reggae was like number two in Japan genre wise next to the US and Jamaica. And looking at other stuff - i found Rap was around 3 or 4th - then when Kanye posted that twitter posting about Spirited Away vs Akira - i got me to thinking, what the hell is the Japanese producers and the American dubbers twttling there thumbs for when Kayne is straight up showing the new audiance?
-Speaking of which? I see no diffrence between a Japanese VA (when trained) and a American VA (when trained) so why is BangZoom and those boys in texas not letting the voice actors in the US emote there lines? Authenticy has it's merits but not when your trying to get the mainstream to watch a series.
-The fact that Hollywood keeps stealing not only the stories from the genre but its tropes (see glee when not doing a tribute show) is the greatest long con the business has ever seen. Once House and Fringe ends the only US shows that dont air on CBS, isnt a teen show, exclududing the comdies (that a while diffrent issue in and of itself) that dont air on cable will be only five or six series and god knows how long they will last.
-As for Crunchy, ooo boy i dont want a perm ban. Not touching why i HATE there guts. Lets just say if Megaupload could go Crunchy should had been gone as well.
-My Little Pony's Bronies are the lost anime fan who couldnt deal with moe "little girl" issues, and didnt like the hyper gore anime used to do...who fault they exist? Try Crunchy and Funi. I Have to give Marget Loash and Miss Faust their props.
-One Piece is overrated. King of NOTHING. Thats partly Oda's fault. The rest is just not enough kids being born and the Otaku's buying everything else but the main three.
-Speaking of Otaku - the only reason the genre is afloat is because of the rich Otaku - who IMO are the sons of the bankers that wrecked Japan 20 years ago. The only way anime gets back to where it was before these issues happen is for their economy to tank to the point of bankrupting the country.
-And the reason why Bandai went out of the dubbing business, Media Blasters having problems - not just people stealing anime...but medical bills as well...
Heres my own.
-Unlike western animation and live action which i take a more intellectual view with - i see the genre IMO with more mainstream/economic eyes than most - which flies in the face of many here but then again i come from a western/francophone backround with animation than those that started out.
-That being said, anybody hating on DragonBallZ and its predessesor doesnt get it. Its a soap. Animated yes but a Soap, just like WWF in the 90's. A good soap will beat any intellectual wank fest consering anime just on the basis of its form factor.
-Which leads me to the other view. Seth MacFarlane is nothing more than Al Kahn, Haim Saban, or any other of the 6 men who brought anime to the dance in the states - the MAJOR diffrence why Seth is successful? Hes not a union buster. (He also worked on these shows and is more of a writer but still same idea)
-The six anime that did well this year can all succeed in the states - but Funi and Crunchy have no brass and less class.
-I remember a comment Blackface made before i was banned, Reggae was like number two in Japan genre wise next to the US and Jamaica. And looking at other stuff - i found Rap was around 3 or 4th - then when Kanye posted that twitter posting about Spirited Away vs Akira - i got me to thinking, what the hell is the Japanese producers and the American dubbers twttling there thumbs for when Kayne is straight up showing the new audiance?
-Speaking of which? I see no diffrence between a Japanese VA (when trained) and a American VA (when trained) so why is BangZoom and those boys in texas not letting the voice actors in the US emote there lines? Authenticy has it's merits but not when your trying to get the mainstream to watch a series.
-The fact that Hollywood keeps stealing not only the stories from the genre but its tropes (see glee when not doing a tribute show) is the greatest long con the business has ever seen. Once House and Fringe ends the only US shows that dont air on CBS, isnt a teen show, exclududing the comdies (that a while diffrent issue in and of itself) that dont air on cable will be only five or six series and god knows how long they will last.
-As for Crunchy, ooo boy i dont want a perm ban. Not touching why i HATE there guts. Lets just say if Megaupload could go Crunchy should had been gone as well.
-My Little Pony's Bronies are the lost anime fan who couldnt deal with moe "little girl" issues, and didnt like the hyper gore anime used to do...who fault they exist? Try Crunchy and Funi. I Have to give Marget Loash and Miss Faust their props.
-One Piece is overrated. King of NOTHING. Thats partly Oda's fault. The rest is just not enough kids being born and the Otaku's buying everything else but the main three.
-Speaking of Otaku - the only reason the genre is afloat is because of the rich Otaku - who IMO are the sons of the bankers that wrecked Japan 20 years ago. The only way anime gets back to where it was before these issues happen is for their economy to tank to the point of bankrupting the country.
-And the reason why Bandai went out of the dubbing business, Media Blasters having problems - not just people stealing anime...but medical bills as well...
Its the depiction though. Its different to just have a seen where someone is naked. It is different for the teacher / friend / class mate / etc to comically trip and fall tits first on the awkward 14 year old unassuming boy.
Basileus777
Member
Most of that is just the difference between a live action drama and an animated comedy. There are numerous ways in which HBO uses sex to sell their shows and constructs shots to titillate. And let's not even get into something like Spartacus.
that's a lot of controversy right there folks.
ShinjukoOtaku
Neo Member
Agreed. In fact any long form soapy anime is shit in my book. Give me a couple of 24 episode seasons otherwise you've lost me
gatotsu911
Member
If you're cool.
Explain to me the honestly in some of the more gratuitous sex scenes in true blood, game of thrones etc.
Tranced Shadow
Member
For GoT, you can thank the source material.
Honest isnt the right word, but it comes off as less creepy and pathetic.
I think the general consensus is that people love DBZ lol Even though there are billions of anime better, like Death Note, Full Metal Alchemist and yes, even One Piece.
Good news then, Bleach is in its last arc. The series is pure shit now.
Naruto has its shit moments as well. I only watch those two because I started them.
AdmiralSnackbar
Member
But the TV series had a 6-minute sex scene that wasn't even in the source material.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
What you're feeling is nerd shame.
ChubbyHuggs
Member
Dub sucks monkey balls.
I'm not 'excusing' anything, I'm responding to your question. Iso put together a great team of artists and made high quality key animation a priority for the project. This is unusual. Great animation is not a priority for anime directors and producers.
The other thing to consider is that most shows cost less money than Denno Coil lost.
Most dubs do, but there are some high quality ones. Cowboy Bebop, Akira, YYH comes to mind.
its just as much pandering
only that the anime version is often more manipulative and tacky
Not to mention Iso also supposedly alienated Takeshi Honda (the show's original animation director, who is extremely talented) to the point where he just left because of Iso's excessive perfectionism.
Also the show kinda cost him his career since it was a huge bomba.
Apparently they'll never work together on a project again.
It's a shame, because Iso once more animating Asuka's big solo battle for the next Rebuild movie (which Honda is working on) would be one of the few things that could make me enthusiastic about it.
haha fair enough. Its sad though. Its a bloody visual medium. One would assume that you should spend the most time working on the aspects of your art that are unique to its medium.
Thats because a majority of the dubs are non-union. There are some good non union dubs but the union dubs are leagues ahead. Thats all i will say dealing if dubs are bad or not.
Denno Coil is one of the saddest stories about the genre. It was too good for the market it was entering.
Tranced Shadow
Member
But the TV series had a 6-minute sex scene that wasn't even in the source material.
Really? Guess that's what I get for switching from one medium to the other half-way through
Cowboy Bebop says otherwise. There is no inherent quality that makes union VAs better than non-union. A shitty directory can make even the best VA turn in a crap performance.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I have to agree with the people liking Toriyama's style, even though it's usually one of the first things people think of when it comes to "anime", it's pretty unique looking and I've found it to be a nice western/eastern blend.
His human designs are kind of samey, I'll agree with that, since you can probably find three similar characters between Dragon Ball/Chrono/Dragon Quest, but he draws some awesome and memorable non-human designs, such as the Great Ape, King Kai, and Frieza in DB, Frog and Robo in Chrono Trigger, and, like, all the monsters in Dragon Quest.
It weirds me out when I've see One Piece fans horribly bash Dragon Ball Z and Toriyama, and I've seen this a lot, despite the fact Oda is heavily influenced by Dragon Ball and Luffy is basically Goku, right down to the whole monkey theme.
His human designs are kind of samey, I'll agree with that, since you can probably find three similar characters between Dragon Ball/Chrono/Dragon Quest, but he draws some awesome and memorable non-human designs, such as the Great Ape, King Kai, and Frieza in DB, Frog and Robo in Chrono Trigger, and, like, all the monsters in Dragon Quest.
It weirds me out when I've see One Piece fans horribly bash Dragon Ball Z and Toriyama, and I've seen this a lot, despite the fact Oda is heavily influenced by Dragon Ball and Luffy is basically Goku, right down to the whole monkey theme.
Absolutely, but most people funding anime are interested in designing something for maximum profitability through merchandising or filling some nerd niche, not artistry or taking full advantage of the medium's potential.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
I'd rather a meh looking show with good writing than a great looking show with poor writing.
edit: not referring to any specific works, just speaking in general.
GraveHorizon
poop meter feature creep
It's fine if the fanservice is the point, but it feels like better shows are selling out, when they're good enough without it. And other shows do it to mask the fact that they aren't so good. Like in One Piece, I don't need to see Nami's breasts bouncing around all the time, I already like her character.
Every Bleach character has the same scowl.
Does Cowboy Bebop really hold up after all these years? And I couldn't go back and watch YYH because I can't stand hearing Christopher Sabat every time I see a Funimation dub.
They may be similar, but Dragon Ball Z is bland and pointless, while stuff is actually happening in One Piece.
Source? Do we have any concrete figures about the commercial success of Dennou Coil (which was presumably partly paid for by Japanese tax, given that it aired on NHK)? Not selling lots of DVDs doesn't mean it was necessarily a huge financial flop from Madhouse's point of view.
ChubbyHuggs
Member
Whenever I watch something I feel like they try to make the main male characters sound feminine or have light voices. It's irritating for the most part. There are some shows where they can have a great cast and the main character will just ruin it for me.
This seems to be the case with animation a lot. Its just so prohibitively expensive to execute well, its not like music where you can do something independantly, while having it recorded mixed and mastered better than most major label stuff for a reasonable amount of money.
KO Traveling Hobo
Member
Isn't that more of a problem with the original Japanese voicework than with the dubs?
Maleficence
Member
Denno Coil really is amazing, have the same team done anything else?
ChubbyHuggs
Member
I always thought they try to make it more comical on their end.
Probably because they can't afford to animate realistic breasts lol
No source. I could be totally wrong. I imagine it's true though, given it wasn't very popular, it was a huge DVD sales bomb, and it looks very expensive, while the vast majority of anime shows look very cheap. Maybe NHK covered a good part of the budget, but doesn't anime work on a model where DVD and merchandise sales are essential to pushing towards profitability?
Also, what has Iso worked on since? Pretty telling.
I actually have a figurine of Luffy wearing the DBZ gi
im 99% sure that they dont have the animation budget to be animating that
(and dont remember seeing it)
cosmicblizzard
Banned
yeah... i guess they thought it was a good idea at the time
Maleficence
Member
Holy shit it's like they're trying to escape at every slight movement.
I love OP but that is terrible.
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