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Epic: "I think the console guys are going to blow us all away"
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If its outsourced to Chair then it's more than fine.
Leeroy3101
Banned
Push the companies to price their systems to a market which will refuse to spend x amount of dollars? Yeah, Rein & Co. won't get fair in their persuasion.
Only way they would get what they ideally want would be to provide funding to the big three in offsetting profit losses.
Only way they would get what they ideally want would be to provide funding to the big three in offsetting profit losses.
phosphor112
Banned
There's a bleeding edge platform out there, and but instead they're out there developing for consoles and mobiles, so much for putting money where their mouth is. I guess having consoles manufacturers loss lead so these guys can being bleeding edge for a year or less, is a financially sound decision.
Lasthope106
Member
Bleeding edge eh Epic? You have the hardware available to realize the Samaritan demo on pc coming in the very near future, and yet you are still singing praises to the console guys. And these guys used to be bleeding edge pc developers. But oh noh, those filthy pirates make it impossible to be profitable on pc. Guess what? Most console developers are hanging for dear life because of the unsustainable model that this generation has embraced.
How many years has EA posted profits since this generation started? What happened to Majesco, and for how long will we have THQ around. Yep. Keep drinking that cool-aid Mark Rein. As long as YOU have the console holders subsidizing your games, you will be fine. I bet if it wasn't for the engine you would be in the same predicament most studios find themselves in.
How many years has EA posted profits since this generation started? What happened to Majesco, and for how long will we have THQ around. Yep. Keep drinking that cool-aid Mark Rein. As long as YOU have the console holders subsidizing your games, you will be fine. I bet if it wasn't for the engine you would be in the same predicament most studios find themselves in.
Chair would need to become a different studio to make a next-gen Gears of War (or even a currentgen full scope GOW). My money would be more on People Can Fly.
It's strange how many people are content with the current gen of consoles. Listen I always will go for gameplay over graphics and frame rate. But it comes to a point where you got to ask yourself, can we do better ? Marginally at least?
My phone has more ram than my 360 for christ sakes. I know this is a common arguement but its still true. I don't even own an apple product but the Ipad3 is already talking 1080P with quad core processor. Really Sony/MS need to step it up on their next consoles imo.
My phone has more ram than my 360 for christ sakes. I know this is a common arguement but its still true. I don't even own an apple product but the Ipad3 is already talking 1080P with quad core processor. Really Sony/MS need to step it up on their next consoles imo.
If anything the new ipads, phones and whatnot would be convincing arguments to NOT go for the so-called bleeding edge. Only thing it gets you is expensive hardware that is overtaken tech-wise in a matter of years by something flashier. Even if the new tech is only 'close to' or 'marginally better than,' you can fool a bunch of fools with tech demos and pretty looking explosions. As people have said in PC vs console graphics threads, production values can more than turn the cards against performance. The perceived premium of that nextbox isn't going to last all that long.
Nintendo turned things around by being the first out the gate w/ motion controls, MS upped the ante w/ Kinect, and likely we'll keep seeing these kinds of 'only possible on x hardware' situations, where graphics matter but don't complete the picture.
Nintendo turned things around by being the first out the gate w/ motion controls, MS upped the ante w/ Kinect, and likely we'll keep seeing these kinds of 'only possible on x hardware' situations, where graphics matter but don't complete the picture.
How many profits has Epic posted since the start of this generation, when they fully embraced multiplatform model? Exactly.
SuicideUZI
Member
well the newest iPad can handle UE3 based games with more effects turned on and at a much higher resolution than 720p (infinity blade: dungeons)
all apple would have to do is make a version of the AppleTV with a HDD and a controller and it would instantly have a console on par with current gen consoles, and if next gen consoles arent a significant leap ahead then it would probably only take 2 or 3 years for Apple's mobile chips to surpass them
at least that is where I think his logic is coming from
BadData indeed. Battery life statistics while playing games are severely diminished on iOS devices. Unless you have data that I'm unaware of, playing four or five hours of games on my iPhone will leave its battery dead.
Also the PSP and DS had many different revisions. Not to the same extent as a new iPad (only Apple can con people into selling them similar things for an outrageous price a year later) but it did happen.
Fusion Pizza
Member
My xbox has become a netflix machine, and it is being replaced in that function by a raspberry pi as soon as I get mine.
The next gen of consoles really has to step it up to get me to purchase. I am not the adolescent I was when the last round of consoles came to the market, my tastes have matured and consoles on the whole have been delivering less and less for me.
Always in motion the future is.
The next gen of consoles really has to step it up to get me to purchase. I am not the adolescent I was when the last round of consoles came to the market, my tastes have matured and consoles on the whole have been delivering less and less for me.
Always in motion the future is.
You'll need a better example than that. IB
ungeons only looks slightly better than torchlight, which ran on my single core Atom netbook.You can't reason with Apple fanboys.
He absolutely does. That's why he made his statement, and worded it carefully.
Well you best start preparing to be blown.
To be fair it is only really at GDC that people have publicly been hinting about next gen console power so it is no surprise there are still many people pessimistic about the future. Information on 720 is certainly out there - the Durango conference happened. PS4 is a little more clouded right now but I don't expect them to let themselves be blown out of the park by a console releasing earlier than them unless they have some sort of ace up their sleeve otherwise they will just be caught between Nintendo and MS.
stuminus3
Member
Does your phone have Gears of War 3? Something like Skyrim? Is GTA V coming to it in the near future? It's not the size of the ship, as they say. It's the motion of the ocean.
We're all gamers here, I presume. We like to game, yes? Well, we shouldn't be looking to Sony and MS to step up their game with the hardware. We should be looking to Apple to step up their game with the software... but they don't seem particularly interested in doing so.
These are the same mistakes that were made when the 360 and PS3 launched. These are the same mistakes Nintendo made with the N64 and again with the Gamecube. These are the lessons we have learned from the 3D0, the Atari Lynx, the Jaguar. And the irony is that Apple isn't even in the same business. Again, the millions of people rushing out to buy iPads aren't doing so to play high-tech videogames.
I like where you're coming from with this post.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
If you want high end, buy a PC. Why everyone on GAF has a fetish for systems too expensive to afford is beyond me.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Well, assuming the Durango rumors are true, and that Epic most likely has seen what the system is capable of, then I think this is good news. That would mean Epic has indeed seen the console and isn't just guessing the system will be powerful but rather knows it.
SuicideUZI
Member
You'll need a better example than that. IB
Infinity Blade 2 on my iPhone looks as good or better than any UE3 based game ive played on consoles with maybe the exception of Mass Effect, and the new iPad is more powerful. All im saying is current tech in Apple's newest products are basically on par with what our current consoles can offer graphically, if the next gen consoles arent a big leap forward then yes I agree that given a few years Apple could have the ability to surpass them or at least become a significant competitor. I dont think Apple even has much interest in that market tho
lol no my phone does not have those titles it's an evo 4g. I am just saying a lot of people really do not seem aware of how old the tech inside the xbox 360 and ps3 actually are. The only reason you see games running on these systems is because the developers have basically learned the SDK to the point where they can do amazing things with them. Problems though that cannot be solved, are things like insanely laggy menu's on the 360, or the complete lack of cross party chat because of ram issues on the Ps3. These are things that can be fixed with simply more ram.
Of course we will never see that happen untill "next gen". But it just amazes me how many gamers are content with 360 and ps3. I love my consoles, but god damn they are slow sometimes.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I don't understand. If he already knows what is in the next gen console's, why is he seemingly begging for more power?
Is he seriously asking MS and Sony to go back to the drawing board?
Neuromancer
Member
Ya I do have a very good PC. But sometimes I like to play consoles to. Why should we have to settle with 6 year old hard ware? It's funny, new consoles will come weather people like it or not. I for one cannot wait.
les papillons sexuels
Banned
where are people getting this idea from?
why wouldn't it?
Wandering Leopard
Member
More is always better right? I also think it's up to them as 'software guys' to push as hard as they can to get more while the 'console guys' have to decide when enough is enough regarding the cost effectiveness of what they are asking for.
MarshMellow96
Member
So $800 a year instead of $300 every 6-8?
stuminus3
Member
There's a reason for this... compelling software!
Risk Breaker
Member
Their own delusions. They think more MB of ram, even if it has 1/20 of the bandwidth and it's not actually available for games, means more powah.
les papillons sexuels
Banned
k, i figured it was a mixture of "higher res + more ram = more powerful".
of course a dedicated console tailored specifically for gaming is less powerful than an ipad 3
The_Darkest_Red
Member
Straight from Apple's keynote yesterday (the comment was about memory).
specialguy
Banned
Too be fair much of the 360's early losses probably could have been cleaned up if not for the RROD debacle. The profit picture would have looked a lot better without that, which presumably wouldn't happen again.
Yeah 360 would still have lost money the first years, but a much more reasonable level.
Point is like Blu Ray in PS3's extravagant cost, it was a one-off special circumstance. Both Sony and MS should be on better fiscal ground this time simply because of lack of those two issues.
Why do people care and/or want this, honestly? Has this generation not proved enough that the quality of management talent and budget planning in this industry is a joke, and it has lead to further and further streamlining of the types of genres invested into, simply due to the absurd projections required to make each title profitable (or just break even)?
I own every console released this gen (hell, I've owned 2 Wiis and currently own 2 PS3s!!) and I rarely think I'm being held back. Would I rather be playing Saint's Row: The Third on my PC as opposed to the PS3 version I bought? Sure, but I don't think the difference is large enough to want consoles to be $600 beasts again.
o ya
wish I had a good on rails shooter where is fucking peter molyneux when I need him? Guess I will have to trust in dougie d from now on
SuicideUZI
Member
the new AppleTV cost $99 and uses the same A5 processor in the iPhone 4S which is perfectly capable of handling UE3, even better than current gen consoles in some ways
I do not think he exclusively meant the iPad when he said Apple could surpass them
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
Every 3 days Epic talks about wanting higher specs on consoles. They are really shitting themselves over their engine.
there was 3do as well.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is the reality distortion field in full effect.
(A more factual perception of reality would indicate that the new iPad is less powerful than Vita at twice the price and can't even touch PS360 with a ten foot pole -- 7 years after their release)