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Yes, that was my impression as well. Flash mobile was no longer needed.
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Yes, that was my impression as well. Flash mobile was no longer needed.
That doesn't make sense. The desktop plugin doesn't work on mobile devices. Mobile browsers can't run "the real deal" regardless of their power. Adobe was very clear for why they abandoned the mobile plugin.
http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/20...s-the-flash-platform-and-the-future-of-flash/
Html5 is not really dominant even on mobile.... tons of sites have not and will not create specific html5 versions for ios.
The interesting bit is actually with wp8 and since they will share the kernel will that make the transition for Apollo too.... between android/chrome (if ms got this kind of access you know google will get the same) and w8/wp8 supporting it you could see flash recapture the mobile space as well.
Why can't they? There is no technical limitation and phones these days are as powerful as low end pc's. What to me makes this such a game changer for flash is letting others integrate the source code..... there will be no flash plugin necessary because it will be ie10 and ms will do all the performance/security testing (and their track record on metro performance so far is perfect).
Wiktor
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No plugins was always a completely and utterly retarded idea for PC OS. On mobile device it makes sense, but on desktop and laptop? No.
It's an interesting development but technology doesn't tend to flow backwards. At best this will prolong the life of flash, but it's not going to invigorate anything, HTML5 still has the widest adoption in browsers so it's still what you want to develop for if you can.
The main sites I've encountered that still rely on Flash are restaurants. Other than that, I haven't seen it to be as big of a problem as it was a few years ago. The interesting bit is that Microsoft won't even be allowing Flash to be used on all websites. They limit it to specific websites in their compatibility list (down below):
http://iecvlist.microsoft.com/ie10/201206/iecompatviewlist.xml
You guys should be wanting HTML5 to become ubiquitous. It blows my mind that anyone other than Flash developers would be fine with plugins recapturing the mobile web.
Did you even read the link? It's not all about having "enough" power to run Flash sites. (Hell, some Flash sites still make the fans run on my Core i5) Adobe clearly states how Flash would never be on iOS (and thus have a limited portion of the market), that HTML5 has achieved near ubiquity, the change in consumption in mobile, and how messy plugin development is for mobile devices.
Even disregarding those things, it still doesn't make sense to discontinue the mobile plugin if they thought that mobile devices are powerful enough to run "the real deal". (What's the difference between the real deal and the non-real deal, anyway?) They would have continued their existing development of the mobile plugin if that was the case.
Looks like they're clarifying Ballmer's 500 million comment
Seems silly to say something like that.
https://mashable.com/2012/05/23/windows-8-users/
MS PR said:
Seems silly to say something like that.
https://mashable.com/2012/05/23/windows-8-users/
brotkasten
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You know, when you have Microsoft employees say something like
"I'm fixing bugs with Pink Floyd on the stereo, a bottle of rum, and a goal to reach the Ballmer peak"
it's not that silly anymore.
Wiktor
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For mobile web? Sure, html5 all the way.
That said...html5 is ridiculously primitive and just can't support all plug-ins do, so on PC going html5-only would be terrible.
lol, wtf? Did someone tweet that?
I assume there had to be a difference considering there were two different versions, what they were, I have no idea.
brotkasten
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Tablet of boooooring
I don't see how this can cost more than $499.
http://www.neowin.net/news/this-is-dells-windows-8-tablet
I don't see how this can cost more than $499.
i dunno the c-50 would give this a run for its money , battery life woudl be shorter but it will actually be usable.
I'm waiting on amd's chips for the tablet market. I'm hoping they cna get a dual core 1.6ghz jaguar core with GCN in about 3-4w tdp. Shold give 6-8 hours battery.
I'm waiting on amd's chips for the tablet market. I'm hoping they cna get a dual core 1.6ghz jaguar core with GCN in about 3-4w tdp. Shold give 6-8 hours battery.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I wonder why at least one person involved doesn't stop everyone from making a tablet like that and say "hey guys, is there any good reason for anyone to buy this? Will anyone want this? Why are we making this?"
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
If Dell did that to all their products, their company would no longer exist anymore.
Damon Bennet
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anyone know how fast those cloverfield cpus are going to be?
I need a higher-spec tablet to be able to run at least low-setting-team fortress 2 on it
I need a higher-spec tablet to be able to run at least low-setting-team fortress 2 on it
One's an x86 desktop plugin engineered for mouse/kb and the other is an ARM mobile plugin for touch?
That's on Youtube. The native HTML5 players on mobile devices are fine.
brotkasten
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I know giga already mentioned it, but Ars had this nice piece up.
Read the rest here: http://arstechnica.com/information-...op-software-development-is-dead-on-windows-8/
Complex Shadow
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that maybe the dumbest thing yet. i haven't face palmed this hard in a while. what the hell MS. at least students get VS for free. (well i do anyways =/)
fucking intel atom. just die already.
I can allready tell you that my school will order these or a model similar.
1) The dual core atom with the power vr gpu should be enough for 720/1080p video playback
2) It will work with smart boards
3) Replacable batterys means long uptimes so that teachers can use them through out all lessons of the day.
These things aren't bad for busniess / school type stuff for the fun stuff they suck
-Pyromaniac-
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Dell is such a peculiar company. Sometimes I wonder if they live on the same planet as us.
Wiktor
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Huh? Why? Seems like a nice little tablet, as long as price will be good.
I wonder if Dell will out any Alienware Tablets.
Beautifully Shaped Monsters
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Microsoft have for years relied on it being easy for programmers to play around making software for their platforms, this is one of the key reasons Windows is successful.
They are now trying to leverage this to force people over to Metro, and preferably their app store (can you even install software in Metro outside the app store?)
The writing is definitely on the wall: The desktop is considered legacy and unless Windows 8 fails massively, Windows 9 will probably not have it.
Peter Bright perfectly explains why having the older version isn't any consolation.
Wiktor
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That would be a cool idea. gaming gpus eat power like crazy, but you could put one in keyboard dock, while leave slate with low-power discreete card.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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No one even really cares about $100 Playbooks and TouchPads now that we've had them for a while and got over the initial rush.
Tablets don't just sell because they're tablets or because they're running a particular OS. They sell because the software is amazing and the hardware is capable of running it. While Windows has a big software library for desktop, it doesn't for tablet. What's the selling point?
Wiktor
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Windows 8 OS?. Ability to plug it into KB and mouse and have full blown computing experience?
Sure, getting tablet specific apps will take a while, but it's not like Dell can do anything about it. What are they supposed to do? Stop making hardware? Then why would anyone make tablet apps for W8 when nobody is selling tablets?
I wouldn't go this far. Even if Windows 8 is successful, 3 years (average timespan between each Windows release) is not enough to move all the professional and business programs to Metro. The worst that could happen is Windows 9 with two editions: normal and metro only. But I still think that 3 years is not enough time for casual PC users to ditch desktop.
Everyone that is upset with the Dell tablet take a breath. Relax. Just like there are laptops that you find forgettable you will find tablets too. Maybe this is a good sign anyways, do you remember the last time we were excited by an unreleased Dell device?
Wiktor
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I would say that outside of some crazy hybrids pretty much all tablets are boring and forgettable. I mena...what is there to excite? They're all big screens with thin bezel.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Thus you are seeing the main criticism of the strategies of everyone involved.
Specs and slenderness basically, it is the same issue with early laptop design too. I mean how long did it take for the ultrabook to come out? The Spectre is honestly the first Laptop I have ever looked at and thought "nice".
Wiktor
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I do and I find it very weird. It's like this is the first time people see a launch of new platform.
Wiktor
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Well...I kind of got excited at new Thinkpad line, excited as in furious because of chicklet KBs
They might as well cancel Flash for Mac since Macs are powerful enough to run the real deal, amirite?
brotkasten
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That shouldn't be more than $599. But seeing how they tout features like "edge to edge Gorilla Glass" and "machined aluminum and carbon fiber chassis" it will probably be around $799.
Probably will show up on Dell Outlet months later at that price.
brotkasten
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Forget that. I just checked the price for the current XPS 13.
That, plus the comment Dell made about the price of touchscreen devices:
It will probably be more like $1199. :lol
Yes thats the point. MS is going to phase out the desktop , so why would MS want people still deeloping for it ? It doesn't make sense .
lol?
Wiktor
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People will sooner phase out buying Windows than Microsoft will be able to phase out desktop.
The home consumer market is heading towards tablets as the dominate form factor. Microsoft is just making sure to push devs in that direction.
Forget that. I just checked the price for the current XPS 13.
That, plus the comment Dell made about the price of touchscreen devices:
It will probably be more like $1199. :lol
The problem is it uses sandy bridge chips. You really have to look at brazos and atom level prcing.
The acer iconia w500 is what i'd base pricing on for something that most consumers will buy. It launched last year and was $500 for a 10 inch screen with a dual core brazos 1ghz cpu 2 gigs of ram .
I'd expect brazos 2.0 and 8 gig tablets to hit this fall for the same price. Brazos 2.0 will most likely be 1.6ghz or so and should give a decent run for its money. Hopefully amd's next apus get pushed up into 2012 instead of being early 2013. we could see some 2ghz jaguar with GCN there.
I'm not sure what you find funny. The desktop is regulated to second class in windows 8.
In windows 9 when Office and the rest of MS's programs are off the desktop it will just be metro. Think about it developers have had the preview for a solid 9 months I'm sure adobe and the other big companys have had acess even longer. So 4 years or so is more than enough time for all these companys to come out with full featured metro verisons of their software.
So by the time windows 9 comes out there will be very very few reasons to keep the desktop. Why would ms want to enable people to create more reasons to stay on the desktop instead of creating more reasons to move away from the desktop ?
Wiktor
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Tablets might become the dominating form factor(in like 10 years or so, even though it's silly to try prediting that far ahead), but there's nothing suggest this will have any effect on traditional PCs' popularity. In few years there will be 2 billion PCs in use in the world and majority of their users will prefer desktop. If W9 won't offer it they will just stick to previous Windows versions. XP's ridiculous popularity shows Microsoft can't really do much to force upgrades and that's with W7 being vastly superior to XP and more functional. THe backslash towards desktop-less W9 would be a lot harder.
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