TheBaronOfNA
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To bad he doesn't respect others.
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Hideki Kamiya on PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale: "It's just a ripoff."
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To bad he doesn't respect others.
TDLink
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I am not sure why you (or others) are holding developers to some sort of higher standard. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion. His is uninformed because he hasn't played the game and/or does not understand its deeper mechanics. On a base level though he is not wrong and as an artist (which he is) it is easy to see why rip-offs would be a negative thing from his point of view. For the average person though it's fine (hence why "clones" of games do well).
It -is- pretty different though from the DMC/Bayonetta comparison. While you need to explain how PSABR and Smash are different because looking at them it is hard to tell, looking at Bayonetta and DMC it is pretty easy to see they are not very similar.
I find that rather hypocritical, I wouldn't call Bayonetta a giant leap from DMC by any stretch. But who cares if it's a rip off, it's bringing a genre to a playerbase that probably hasn't touched it before - they can try to innovate once people have actually experienced that sort of game.
Chuck Norris
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The game is fun. Fun games draw in fans.
Thats not true. Like at all. For one, he respects Sakurai.
KillerTravis
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I'm sure he respects Sakurai.
Boss Man
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I agree with that, but I don't think that it is trying to accomplish this by being "Just a ripoff." It really has actively differentiated itself, it has its own creative elements. Whether or not they are good differences overall is arguable, but I think a reasonable person would be able to find at least a couple of things about PS All-Stars that are improvements.
DMC is his own creation. And I disagree.
What about God of War? Or any other hack n' slash game?
TDLink
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You can't rip off yourself so there is no way he is being hypocritical.
Thats what I was saying. Stll a rip off in my book. It didnt " diferentiate " itself actively enough.
Napalm_Frank
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The game has no soul? Preorder cancelled.
Er that's my point, he calls out other devs for lack of creative integrity yet Bayonetta is essentially the same game wit ha different coat of paint.
Don'tBeWeird
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I wouldn't disagree with what you said there^, but that's not what you originally said.
PS All Stars does not want to be Smash.
Where the hell did I mention 'rip-off'?
At least the coat of paint is different. Thats more than all stars does. But really... no.
TDLink
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Except it isn't. It's the same genre (which he created with DMC) and same formula, but taken to the next level.
KillerTravis
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You are not making any sense. He can't make DMC anymore, it's a Capcom property, he created Bayonetta to keep working on his original idea.
Hahaha, yes. it does.
TDLink
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He mentioned rip-off in his own statement. I believe you are referring to his own statement when you call him hypocritical. Correct me if I am wrong though.
I'll let you expand upon that.
You need to play both Bayonetta and Devil May Cry before you say something like that.
Indeed use your brain,and get your own opinion. Only insecure people care what otherS think of sonethink they like. I am getting this game, why shoukd i care what some kamiya dude thinks?
People debating with him on twitter = comedy
Absolutely not.
My game would be inspired by the:
-Universal Lore Aspect of Mass Effect
-Combat of Devil May Cry
-The Cinematic Flair of Ninja Gaiden/DOA
-The Open World elements of GTA
-Wild Creature Mechanic of Pokemon
-The Set Pieces of God of War
-Control System of Dragons Dogma (The triggers/shoulder buttons change the face button variables)
-Story Scale of Halo (Space Opera type theme)
Would that make it a ripoff?
-Universal Lore Aspect of Mass Effect
-Combat of Devil May Cry
-The Cinematic Flair of Ninja Gaiden/DOA
-The Open World elements of GTA
-Wild Creature Mechanic of Pokemon
-The Set Pieces of God of War
-Control System of Dragons Dogma (The triggers/shoulder buttons change the face button variables)
-Story Scale of Halo (Space Opera type theme)
Would that make it a ripoff?
There is no working on it. It's the same game with prettier graphics and again, different characters. It was not expanded upon at all.
TheBaronOfNA
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I dunno what you refer to high standard but I probably get annoyed If I was a developer and Miyamoto said casually that my studio was a creative bankrupt because he saw 5 minutes of gameplay.
And I'm allowed to criticize that opinion.
So that makes it right to give a misinformed opinion?
So actually you give him a high standard.
But he is not an avarage person, even for your standards. He should know better.
Chuck Norris
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Isn't that the same think PSA fans are saying in this thread?
No, it would potentially make a damn fine game
All of his games are pretty much DMC with a different coat of paint.
Viewtiful Joe is basically DMC in 2D.
Bayonetta is basically DMC after he couldn't make DMC anymore.
Project P-100 is basically DMC with an overhead camera and the lots of dudes gimmick.
The only exception is Okami, which, as has been established many times in this thread, is a blatant Zelda ripoff.
So it's kinda funny for him to call out anyone else for creative bankruptsy.
Boss Man
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Just make sure it doesn't look similar to anything.
KillerTravis
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That's even more wrong!
Sure man, you find a quote from one of the lead devs calling out others for lack of originality.
Pretty much. It's all a giant cycle.
Napalm_Frank
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They are unoriginal and have no soul.
You make no sense, first you exercise your right to criticize his opinion, then state he should know better than to exercice his right to express his? wtf?
KillerTravis
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Wow, just wow. I used to like your posts, but this is incredible.
Giant Panda
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Hell Viewtiful Joe looks like a ripoff of those old 2d arcade sidescrolling beat-em-up by Kamiya's standards. Do I know if they actually play like a ripoff, nope, I've never played the game, not needed!
It's a shame really, I can definitely appreciate what he has done for the industry but his behavior is childish.
Indeed. Clearly he keeps recycling DMC because in DMC you hit stuff with things and in his other games you hit other stuff with things too.
This thread just keeps giving.
TDLink
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DMC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?fmt=18&gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=vFuPpH8X7Rw
Bayonetta:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDFTwy5LeA
In short, while they are similar (as Bayonetta is an evolution from DMC), Bayonetta is much more fast paced and combo-focused when compared to DMC which is much more hack and slashy. That really is "in short" though.
TheBaronOfNA
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Misinformed opinion. And not, I didn't say he can't said, I just said that I can call bull
Have you played the game though?
From my experience, the game is very different in the areas that matter when it comes to differentiating it from other games in it's type.
Would you say that Halo looks and plays like CoD or Half Life? Or that Gears of War looks and plays like Uncharted? Of course not. They occupy a similar genre, and utilize the third person shooter mechanic, but they are very different in the game play fundamentals and overall tone and feel of the game.
PBR and Smash are the same. They occupy the same genre. No one is denying that PBR is, on the surface, very similar to Smash, but at the end of the day, the games play fundamentally different, and until you actually get the game in your hands and realize that first hand, you will continue to be like every one else who have their heads in the sand about the differences in the game that set them apart.
A video game is more than just the genre it's in. If a game isn't defined by it's rules, then what it is? What sets Monopoly apart from Clue, or Candyland, or Life? They're both board games, so they can't be different, right? The RULES, are what sets them apart.
The rules of PBR and Smash are different. Both sets of rules are fun (in the same way that Monopoly and Life have different rules, but are both fun, and for different reasons). In the end, that's what matters more than just aesthetic similarities.
Also, the physics and controls are VERY different between the two. Anyone that's played both can attest to this. You're wrong about the game being a rip off. I know you'd like to think that you're right about this, but you honestly have no sort of information to base this opinion off of besides screens and videos. Unless of course you've played the game. If you have, then please, tell me why you think both games are the same. I honestly want to know this from someone who has played both.
Check out the beta thread if you are really curious about what people that have played the game think about it. It's changed a lot of minds (both positive and negative) of people that went into the game with a "this is just like Smash" mentality.
Some people like that it's different. Some people are disappointed that it's different. But at least they've played the game and have formed that opinion on experience.
Chuck Norris
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If anything Bayonetta is more of a rip off of DMC3 which he didn't work on, rather than DMC which he did
Misinformed opinion. And not, I didn't say he can't said, I just said that I can call bull
I happen to think he is spot on. And you are being hypocritical. You said he should know better, as if there is such a thing as a wrong opinion.
TheBaronOfNA
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... YES!
Yes, there is only so much you can do aobut that. But it's not much of a difference for him to call people out like that, you create your games and let others create theirs.
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