Smiles and Cries
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yes please stop buying!
cancel all your deluxes... I don't have a pre-order so this would benefit me
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Famitsu: Wii U region-lock confirmed
- Thread starter Cheesemeister
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yes please stop buying!
cancel all your deluxes... I don't have a pre-order so this would benefit me
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
The supreme minority of gamers who would be willing to not purchase a Wii U purely on the basis of region locking are a supreme minority of the millions of sales Nintendo is targeting, as with the Wii, DS, and 3DS.
Not that I'm opposed with people trying to boycott Nintendo because of region locking bullshit, but as long as software continues to sell it's not going to work. The industry itself sill supports region locking as profitable business.
A single game out of the hundreds released means nothing. If more games are region locked you might have a point, but a single game? This is a joke post right?
Smiles and Cries
Member
I have not been keeping up did Blu-Ray players go Region Free for movies now?
even streamed event on the internet sometimes are locked by regions, companies are greedy
even streamed event on the internet sometimes are locked by regions, companies are greedy
because of region lock? so i´m also not buying blurays or dlcs on ps3 and x360?
dude, i have the feeling you are not buying that much next gen
Plus there's many variables to keep in mind anyway for why you should/shouldn't support a business. I hate region locking, but more often than not Nintendo either produces what I'd like to see out of games (though maybe quite like they used to), or they play host to a lot of stuff I really, really like. Giving up Nintendo is almost the same as giving up games for me at this point, though the DS more than the Wii can be thanked for that.
Though for whatever it's worth I think the notion of being more open is relatively young, we didn't even seriously give another thought to region locking consoles as just an inevitable part of gaming before this generation with Sony opening up on the PS3 and Nintendo closing shut on the handheld front. With Microsoft going for a soft region lock and Sony completely tossing it out with only a few exceptions I think eventually Nintendo MAY come around. Or at least make it optional so we can be angry with individual publishers/developers rather than Nintendo themselves.
Smiles and Cries
Member
just remember you said that in the future, things can change companies need profit they find ways to maximize those profit. that single game is proof... out of a whole sea of a huge library why would a company do that? why would Sony even allow it?
don't be so sure region-free is a guarantee
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I dont understand the call for people to "not react". So because Nintendo kept this bullshit practice up, they shouldnt get the web-heat for when they do it again? Fuck that noise. That seems like thinly veiled defence-force leanings to me. "AND? Get over it, you should have known!". Meanwhile, in negative Sony-news land...
People wonder why the Bayonetta 2 outbursts occurred, well look no further than the checklist of douchebaggery any previous non-locked in to purchase Nintendo follower has to buy into to enjoy such a sequel: lacklustre powered 2012 hardware, region-locked, lacking basic optical audio output solutions. People like to feel good about their hardware purchases, not stretched over a goddam barrel. Funding Platinum's dead sequel is true good will to all gamer men and women on Earth stuff, but it gets counteracted by all this anti-consumer bullshit.
People wonder why the Bayonetta 2 outbursts occurred, well look no further than the checklist of douchebaggery any previous non-locked in to purchase Nintendo follower has to buy into to enjoy such a sequel: lacklustre powered 2012 hardware, region-locked, lacking basic optical audio output solutions. People like to feel good about their hardware purchases, not stretched over a goddam barrel. Funding Platinum's dead sequel is true good will to all gamer men and women on Earth stuff, but it gets counteracted by all this anti-consumer bullshit.
It's not only the region-locking.
We know nothing of their online plans, future support in terms of software and middleware, hell, "fidelity plans for returning buyers", NFC capabilities, the price for stand alone uPads, connectivity with 3DS and the exact range of services.
I do think we know not enough to rationally purchase the console now. I am a Nintendo fanboy myself but they do push their bullshit too far.
That also. 100% probability this will be a pain in the neck.
Sony might do the Microsoft style region stuff of having it be up to the publisher, but I doubt PS4 will ever be fully region locked. Sony has no real reason to. They release their hardware in all the territories themselves. They do simul launches in EU/NA for pretty much everything, and Japan doesn't get mauled with exuberant fees on SCE games. The only way I can see any sort of region lock happening is if enough third parties complain about it, and given the fact that Atlus is thus far the only one to use region locking on PS3 I doubt they care too much.
Seriously. Playing dead and acting like you shouldn't complain isn't going to ever tell Nintendo that region locks are not okay. Companies do change. Every SCE platform was region locked ... until PSP.
toddhunter
Member
Country?
"Sorry your Wii console was purchased from Gamestop in Southern California and is not compatible with games from outside that store"
If this is the case on launch day, I'll not agree with your argument, but see where you're coming from. Except for the price of uPads, as it's the same as demanding the price of a standalone AC adaptor.
BTW: Do you think trusting Nintendo as a company (i.e. being satisfied with their other consoles/handhelds) is a good reason to pick up a Wii U?
What is the big thing about being region locked..?
Do people really import Japanese games That much..? I don´t because I don´t read or speak japanese.. So why should I import a game that is from that region.,.?
And I´m in Europe, the only reason I would import from the US is because it might be a bit cheaper.. the games normally appear the same time in the store most of the time anyway. So why would I import form there..?
Or is there some other stuff that I´m missing..?
And people talking about PS3 not being region locked.. you clearly don´t remember that this gen has been very Digital Download heavy.. and the stores are Region locked. Counterstrike:Go no EU, Trine 2 months delay.. Dyad EU, nope. And the list goes on... I might be able to pick up a Physical version of a game in another part of the world, and play it on my PS3.. But when it comes to Digital Download Only games, I´m pretty much fucked, unless I want to get PSN cards, risc not having DLC work and more.. it´s just not worth it..
Do people really import Japanese games That much..? I don´t because I don´t read or speak japanese.. So why should I import a game that is from that region.,.?
And I´m in Europe, the only reason I would import from the US is because it might be a bit cheaper.. the games normally appear the same time in the store most of the time anyway. So why would I import form there..?
Or is there some other stuff that I´m missing..?
And people talking about PS3 not being region locked.. you clearly don´t remember that this gen has been very Digital Download heavy.. and the stores are Region locked. Counterstrike:Go no EU, Trine 2 months delay.. Dyad EU, nope. And the list goes on... I might be able to pick up a Physical version of a game in another part of the world, and play it on my PS3.. But when it comes to Digital Download Only games, I´m pretty much fucked, unless I want to get PSN cards, risc not having DLC work and more.. it´s just not worth it..
Smiles and Cries
Member
so we are going to end up Drama Queens twice a week on Nintendo news at this point?
you don't like something don't buy it. why have it mess up your day?
next people will be tweeting Death Threats, someday if we don't chill it will become acceptable for some crazy to carry out these threats over some silly gaming news he did not like.
We knew this was Nintendo's trend, we don't like it but really we can say we don't like it and move on... to have a meltdown and boycott and trolling... all dat DRAMA
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I'm not contesting that there's reasons to avoid a Wii U. I'm contesting the notion that Nintendo e-fans rallying together to boycott a product ultimately make up a small minority of where Nintendo makes their millions, and thus the boycott won't solve shit. Region locking is a problem rooted in the industry, and extends far beyond gaming.
If these issues are big enough for you and others to avoid the system, fine. Nobody is asking you to, so don't. Your money, your time.
Yeah, no. The Bayonetta 2 outburst was children acting like children. Don't drag it into this.
slaughterking
Member
Many games from Atlus, Xseed and Inis don't ever reach Europe or take many months. It's very frustrating due to region-locking.
I live in Europe. I've had years worth of negative new regarding Nintendo and I know full well that complaining online does nothing. Now I just grin and take what I'm given.
You still don't know what you pay for when you pre-order a Wii U 0_o. Nintendo already wants us to swallow their stupid eShop prices for full games. I am not trusting Nintendo, not in hell!
I won't spend money without knowing what I'll receive especially if there are important details deliberately left in the dark.
As said, there is a very sane reason to not consider the purchase of the Wii U or any product whose features are not fully uncovered. We know so little on what exactly matters and what we know is disappointing/a mess. Technical capabilities and region-lock are two downsides in the middle of other details we don't know about yet.
I'll stand to my sentence. Don't buy the Wii U. We have little info on it and it is plagued by an anti consumer feature that is solely here to protect BigN's margin. I say no!
toddhunter
Member
No not much.
Games may or may not be released in Europe or the other way around. It might be a little cheaper in the US for you, for other countries like Australia it is half the price.
No the stores are not. For example I have been using the US store from Australia for a long time. It works fine. Yes you have to use PSN cards, but this takes all of 5 minutes on line to get a code. DLC is locked to a region, but it is not "region locked". There is a distinct difference.
As with most region locking threads, there is somebody who just "doesn't get it" or shows no compassion to people who can have real problems with the practice. Best idea is not to enter threads where you are not interested in the drama, and certainly not to try to down play it over and over which will just antagonise people further.
Well, we do. We dont know everything but we know much. You dont have to expect them to want money for skins.
directly from nintendo? 3d mario, zelda, mario kart, donkey kong. you get upset about way to many things.
depends on the software. but there isnt so much room for imagination if you know nfc.
we know.
looks at the way it is used at mh. what do you mean?
which services?
*nods in agreement*
I'm sorry, you've lost me: don't we know what's in the box? You mean future yet-to-be announced services? For people that those are important, it would be silly for them to pre-order, I agree. However, I think for most people they're pre-ordering because (obviously) they're happy with what they see.
I've never pre-ordered anything though (well, besides Wind Waker to get that Zelda compilation disc), so my personal opinion is it would be stupid to pre-order any console.
Looks like we agree?
Why would you do that?
Member
No surprise here. Growing up on Nintendo consoles, I always expect game systems to be region locked, then if they're not, yay. (It's one of the reasons why I really appreciated the PS3, even though I was never a Sony fan.) What I really didn't like was their change of region lock stance on handheld, especially when handheld gaming started getting really awesome. They say it's due to the built-in parental controls and differences in ratings between region.
I'm sorry they felt they had to protect the one 12 year old kid who would convince their parents to import Shin Megami Tensei, rated A and B (E and E10) in Japan and M in America.
I'm sorry they felt they had to protect the one 12 year old kid who would convince their parents to import Shin Megami Tensei, rated A and B (E and E10) in Japan and M in America.
And I would argue that it would easily be offset by the number of dedicated import gamers who will be importing a Japanese/US system like they have always done.
Heck, that's why I bought 3 360s in the past year.... Same with having 4 PS2s and duplicates of just about any system before it.
As long as there's enough exclusive games, it's worth it in my opinion.
In the case of the Wii, there weren't enough region exclusive games for me to get a Japanese system, so I didn't. I did mod mine for Excitebots though, but that's it.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Thread delivers.
IrishNinja
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i don't think most people'd argue with you here, and the fact that it's standard practice doesnt make it cool either. its just the "dont buy the WU!" reactions dont really make sense either, for reasons eatchildren stated. i honestly don't know the best venue, perhaps some kind've operation rainfall or the like sort've group to raise awareness to nintendo? thing is, i figure NOA could be aware but its likely not their call. i dont know if its been brought up in any Iwata asks segment either, but i do see the narrative of nintendo of japan execs looking at the #'s, seeing a locked-down 360 & sony's first region-free console fighting for 2nd place and feeling it's not a large enough segment to warrant their current efforts to woo publishers.
while we'd likely agree there's no correlation between region-free and negative sales, again i don't see why they'd bother, from their perspective - again though if there was a good venue to show them that it's something consumers want/would reward, i'd be all for it.
i found a few, but it was easy enough to hack the system open to play them. as said by others, i dont expect such an easy time this go around.
Smiles and Cries
Member
Do you guys think about people in companies like 8-4? where would they be without localization being successful?
the only solution to region lock is to delay each title long enough to have every language done to launch at the same time.
Should we give them a year to do this?
Say you knew your english game was ready to go should we wait a year before we can play it to provide the Japanese a chance to get it at the same time or the reverse Japan is ready but they don't get to play the next Monster Hunter until our English version is done?
I know many of you selfish self-serving bastards want someone to wait on your version but not wait for them when yours is ready to go?
How do we solve the issue and still keep little companies like 8-4 paid?
you completly lost me. you NEVER, i repeat NEVER will know everything what a console will/will not contain in the whole future. NEVER.
Zenaku
Member
I've considered putting off importing games, saving up money, and going on holiday to Japan where I can buy all the games I want with discounts, and I decided just last week that if I can save up money for a week holiday by December, I'll go to Japan and buy a WiiU while I'm enjoying the sights. Hopefully I'll be able to afford it.
Yes, we do. With all what you said.
And it sucks mammal species that there are people happy with what they see, since they basically accept measures against their own interest. I'd love those people to just think of what I said and just... hold on. If Nintendo sees that sales are underwhelming, they will look for causes and also understand that we want more from them. They are plowing/ us right now and this is a displeasing feeling.
But don't get me wrong, I am willing to play the next Mario (if it's good) but certainly not under the current conditions.
SuicidalSteve
Member
That include the old wii games?
Smiles and Cries
Member
Wii was locked
Most likely.
Anyway. Thinking of retarded decisions.
Why are PS3 games region free on the system, but then when you put in a PSone game you get a nice lockout screen telling you that this game isn't from the correct region. Same goes for PS2 games I suppose, but I never had a PS3 that could play those.
Such a weird and utterly dumb decision.
IrishNinja
Member
i have no idea how this strikes you as sound logic
let's pretend the WU's been out for 9 months now and it's doing sub 3DO/ngage levels, here are the things i picture them doing:
1) pricecut
2) churn out 2D marios/etc
3) bundle more stuff, ambassador somethings on the eshop if so inclined
4) hey here's mario kart as well, it also brings more wii fit so buy it, fatty lol
etc etc. nothing in that or any reasonable formula would feasibly include "firmware patch to undo region locking". if that was a big enough segment where catering to them coudl turn your sales around in any viable way, it'd be a non-issue, i imagine.
i hate it too but i assume legacy publishing rights and the like
Snowden's Secret
Banned
Wut.
I've been playing video games for over 20 years, and a "hardcore" gamer for at least the last five or six, and I've never imported a game, and only ever even thought about it twice (Xenoblade and Tingle's Rupeeland, both games already in English).
I understand not all games make it to all markets, and that is disappointing, but the number of people who a) care b) would play a game in a different language and c) pay extra for the import is pretty small, certainly not a large enough swath of the populace to justify the economic risks in not region-locking, as unfortunate as that is for a number of gamers.
But "unacceptable?" "Furore?" Video games.
Ah, didn't think about that...
Not that it matters much for me personally, but for certain games it would be very welcome.
Toaplan Shooting Battle Vol.1 for PSone for instance which can not be played on a PS2. So the day that my last Japanese PSone dies, I won't be able to play it again.
Meesh
Member
Duuuuuude I was having a really shitty high untill I read this. For some reason this is so fucking funny to me right now....oh gaf, you never let me down!!
Smiles and Cries
Member
I would not count on Nintendo trying to save a home console as far as they went for their precious portable business. It goes a long way from how they treated N64 through Wii they don't fight for home consoles as much
Region-lock is not my main problem, please read my post again if I sound illogical. It obviously is a pile of horseshit no matter how you look at it because it forces higher-priced software down our throat (in Europe). My main problem (even bigger than region-lock!) is that we don't know how much we will pay for what. NFC and online systems haven't been discussed, pricing of items purchased and services online have not been discussed and, to me, this is a lack of information of such importance that it should stop you from impulse buying the Wii U.
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Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Well then chances are you were never a "hardcore" European gamer. Big time titles from the Nintendo past like Chrono Trigger, FF3(6), Earthbound never saw Euro release. Many more titles across all consoles wouldn't come over due to different licensing issues and the cost of a multi-language translation. All the way up to modern day, I imported my GOTG Demon's Souls because it wasn't set for a European release at all (but did eventually come), and currently am looking at the outside in on Persona 4:Arena.
Tables may have turned in favour of the European Nintendo first-party published fan with the Wii, but excuse me if I don't have much faith in that being long-term or influencing third parties. Especially as pubs and devs become more and more cash-strapped, seeing more and more titles fall through the cracks on either side seems likely to me.
So just because you didn't personally experience the need to import doesnt make this issue not a very core one to a lot of European player's hearts, and after all the Xenoblade kerfuffle and more, now American players have begun to learn too.