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PS3 CFW & Homebrew: Scene Revived! -- morality arguments elsewhere

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criesofthepast

Member
Cloak said:
Ok I haven't been following the scene in the last few weeks, so just to understand if I'm on Kmeaw CFW 3.55 I can (following this guide) have to go back to OFW 3.55 first. Does that mean I should delete all the extra folders/game directories/ remove any apps first?

If I don't, will I have to re-install my apps, like MultiMAN, and will it find my games that are on the HDD?

Also I assume that Rogero 4.30 will allow me to play game signed up until that FW version?

Quickly reading through some posts, I should be able to connect to PSN and then download games I've previously purchased? I can't wait to get Okami HD :)
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You shouldn't have to delete anything. Well, the homebrew apps like multiman and FTP or emulators will have to be replaced with newer versions that are signed for the new firmware your upgrading to. So you can delete those since youll be replacing them anyways.

Yes you can connect to PSN and buy things. 4.30 rogero will allow you to play any game already released without any fixes needed.
 
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Cloak

Member
criesofthepast said:
You shouldn't have to delete anything. Well, the homebrew apps like multiman and FTP or emulators will have to be replaced with newer versions that are signed for the new firmware your upgrading to. So you can delete those since youll be replacing them anyways.

Yes you can connect to PSN and buy things. 4.30 rogero will allow you to play any game already released without any fixes needed.
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YES! Awesome! Thank you.
 
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endlessflood

Member
MMaRsu said:
So which is better. Rogero 4.30 or Rebug 4.31?
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Rogero 4.30
Pros
  • 4.30 firmware
  • No extra settings to confuse people
Cons
  • Minimally tested (e.g. already up to v3 fixing problems, like taking Cinavia out and then having to put it back in, plus all those bricks initially)
  • No extra features over KMEAW


Rebug 4.21.1 REX
Pros
  • Extensively tested prior to release (no bricks)
  • OtherOS++ Support
  • Easily switch between CEX and DEX in seconds
  • Extra features (new 100% BDEMU method for people with broken Blu-ray drives, Cinavia disabled, use game saves from any owner, etc.)
  • It's the CFW recommended by deank (creator of MultiMAN)
  • Ability to tinker with things behind the scenes (Rebug Toolbox)
  • Has many features that interest devs, and so most devs will probably use it (meaning good support)
Cons
  • 4.21 firmware, not 4.30
  • The Rebug Toolbox lets you mess with things that most people probably shouldn't mess with (you can't brick your PS3, but you might need to reinstall the firmware if you really do a job on it)
  • Major firmware modification compared to OFW



FWIW, here's what deank has to say about the Rebug 4.21.1 REX firmware:
deank (talking about the benefits of the 4.21REX firmware) said:
1) It has 0% brick-risk
2) It is the only firmware which brings OtherOS support since 3.55 (and this is VERY VERY IMPORTANT)
3) It is not a kisk/demo modified firmware with hundreds of flaws and issues
4) It comes with LV1 access (peek/poke and other important stuff) which allows for access to burned/data CD/DVD/BD discs
5) It comes with a spoofer which you can enable/disable/upgrade
6) Probably a lot of other stuff, but that's right enough for short comparison with other CFWs.
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http://www.ps3crunch.net/forum/thre...#8217;999′-DOWNGRADER?p=58689#post58689

deank (talking about the CEX/DEX conversion in 4.21REX firmware) said:
This is one of the greatest features of 4.21REX firmware. If you already have your CEX/DEX flash dumps, switching between CEX and DEX takes a push of a button. No need to flash downgrader PUPs or install dex/cex firmwares - REX has it all. You can use the flash dumps made with multiMAN or another tool or you can dump your current flash with the Toolbox. Then you only need to 'switch' the current one with the Toolbox and reboot

The part that is even COOLER is that once in DEX mode you can switch to CEX kernel or spoof your IDPS from 0x82(DEX) to your original and logon to PSN. Of course while on DEX you can use BDEMU or ProDG or anything DEX specific. When you're 'tired' of it - fire up the toolbox and switch to CEX, reboot, voala - takes ~ 5 seconds to switch. Tired of CEX and DEX, then boot OtherOS and play with Linux.

There, you have it all in one... CEX+PSN, DEX+PSN, PSX disc backups, all games ever released, BDEMU, ProDG, OtherOS... you name it.
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http://www.ps3crunch.net/forum/thre...#8217;999′-DOWNGRADER?p=58724#post58724

deank (talking about the Rebug Toolbox in the 4.21REX firmware) said:
No matter how hard you try with the "Rebug Toolbox" - there is absolutely no way to break or brick your system.

The WORST that can happen is to soft-crash it and then you'll only have to go to recovery mode/menu and simply reinstall 4.21REX. This FW may have been delayed but there is big reason for that.
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http://www.ps3crunch.net/forum/thre...#8217;999′-DOWNGRADER?p=58757#post58757
 
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cameron

Member
Great post endlessflood. I was just planning to go to Rogero 4.30, but now I may consider Rebug instead.

I'm on a phat 80 GB PS3 with Kmeaw. Is the process similar to flashing Rogero? (Kmeaw 3.55 > OFW 3.55 via recovery > Rebug 4.21.1 REX via system update rather than recovery)? From google search, there's a guide (itskamel's n00b REBUG REX Guide) that says make sure you're on CFW 3.55 and do the qa toggle, and also ignores going to OFW as an intermediate step.
 
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endlessflood

Member
cameron said:
I'm on a phat 80 GB PS3 with Kmeaw. Is the process similar to flashing Rogero? (Kmeaw 3.55 > OFW 3.55 via recovery > Rebug 4.21.1 REX via system update rather than recovery)? From google search, there's a guide (itskamel's n00b REBUG REX Guide) that says make sure you're on CFW 3.55 and do the qa toggle, and also ignores going to OFW as an intermediate step.
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Yeah the Rebug guys themselves don't seem to recommend going to 3.55 OFW, they just say kmeaw users should make sure that they have their QA flag set, and then update directly to 4.21REX via XMB (SYSTEM UPDATE-->VIA STORAGE MEDIA, not via recovery).

Make sure you have no disc in the drive and any old spoofers have been disabled and uninstalled first. One other interesting thing is that it's recommended that the USB flash or HDD drive you use for the firmware update (i.e. the one with the Rebug .PUP on it) should be inserted into the right-most USB port (the one nearest the Blu-ray drive).
 
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cameron

Member
endlessflood said:
Yeah the Rebug guys themselves don't seem to recommend going to 3.55 OFW, they just say kmeaw users should make sure that they have their QA flag set, and then update directly to 4.21REX via XMB (SYSTEM UPDATE-->VIA STORAGE MEDIA, not via recovery).

Make sure you have no disc in the drive and any old spoofers have been disabled and uninstalled first. One other interesting thing is that it's recommended that the USB flash or HDD drive you use for the firmware update (i.e. the one with the Rebug .PUP on it) should be inserted into the right-most USB port (the one nearest the Blu-ray drive).
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Thanks. Just updated and everything went fine. Following your suggestions and what deank said in another forum post, here's what I did:

Kmeaw to Rebug 4.21.1 REX

1. Installed REBUG-TOOLBOX-02.00.00.pkg (suggested by deank for Kmeaw users to toggle qa flag)
2. In Rebug Toolbox -> Utilities -> Toggle QA Flag was set to Enable.
3. Uninstalled crap (I didn't have any spoofers, but I had some ancient packages from last year) and ejected whatever disk in drive.
4. Renamed REBUG_4.21.1_REX_PS3UPDAT.PUP to PS3UPDAT.PUP and placed it in /PS3/UPDATE/ folder on FAT32 USB drive.
5. USB drive was plugged in the right most USB port.
6. Updated firmware via Settings -> System Update -> Update via Storage Media.
 
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Cloak

Member
cameron said:
Thanks. Just updated and everything went fine. Following your suggestions and what deank said in another forum post, here's what I did:

Kmeaw to Rebug 4.21.1 REX

1. Installed REBUG-TOOLBOX-02.00.00.pkg (suggested by deank for Kmeaw users to toggle qa flag)
2. In Rebug Toolbox -> Utilities -> Toggle QA Flag was set to Enable.
3. Uninstalled crap (I didn't have any spoofers, but I had some ancient packages from last year) and ejected whatever disk in drive.
4. Renamed REBUG_4.21.1_REX_PS3UPDAT.PUP to PS3UPDAT.PUP and placed it in /PS3/UPDATE/ folder on FAT32 USB drive.
5. USB drive was plugged in the right most USB port.
6. Updated firmware via Settings -> System Update -> Update via Storage Media.
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Was thinking the same as cameron, until i saw all the stuff on Rebug 4.21.1 REX, especially other OS. My only question remains, will I be able to connect to PSN and download previously purchased games? When I originally moved on to CFW I lost all my games, and eventually got another PS3 (needed a blu-ray/dvd/netflix for another room, but its not a great TV). I'd like to get my all my downloads again on this PS3.

Rebug seems like the safer bet.
 
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endlessflood

Member
Cloak said:
Was thinking the same as cameron, until i saw all the stuff on Rebug 4.21.1 REX, especially other OS. My only question remains, will I be able to connect to PSN and download previously purchased games? When I originally moved on to CFW I lost all my games, and eventually got another PS3 (needed a blu-ray/dvd/netflix for another room, but its not a great TV). I'd like to get my all my downloads again on this PS3.

Rebug seems like the safer bet.
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Yes you have full PSN access.


Some more info on OtherOS support in 4.21.1 REX since you're interested in it:
Rebug said:
OtherOS++ is supported by all REBUG REX EDITIONS and will detect your existing OtherOS HDD partition.

However none of the REBUG REX EDITIONS have emer_init.self patched (create smaller GameOS partition). We are working on a solution to this from GameOS.

In the meantime if you do want to create an OtherOS partition you have two options:

1: Use a 3.55 firmware that already has emer_init.self patched to the size you want.
2: Patch REBUG 3.55.3 REX EDITION in PS3MFW Builder

If you choose option 2 we highly recommend that you ONLY patch emer_init.self. Also the resulting PUP will only be able to be installed on 3.55 firmware as the spkg_hdr will be mismatched.

One final thing to note about OtherOS on 4.21.1 is that it function is slightly reduced at the moment due to the fact that we are not able to map memory like in 3.55 and below. The affected modules are ps3ram and ps3sbmmio.

Hopefully this problem can be addressed without having to release another firmware.
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http://rebug.me/rebug-3-55-3-and-4-21-1-rex-editions-and-999-downgrader/
 
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Cloak

Member
Thanks! I'm on Rebug4.21! Pretty simple... now just got to find the latest versions of my apps.

Also, I'm trying to log into PSN. But it's asking me to up date to 4.31. I must be missing something...

EDIT: I think i got it... had to switch to REBUG in system mode. Am I correct?
 
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Mitama

Member
Open the Rebug Toolbox (install through the package manager -> from HDD) and change system mode to Rebug. It'll spoof your version to 4.30.
 
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Tsunamo

Member
Hey PS3 Homebrew/CFW GAF! I have a question.

My old Phat PS3 got the YLOD/Flashing Red Lights of death and I want to buy a new one, but was wondering is it possible to do a HDD/backup transfer from my old 40gb one to the new HDD via custom firmware without having to format so that I can keep all my old savedata from my old HDD on the new system?

I'd rather not have to lose them all.
 
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Sulla1980

Member
cameron said:
1. Installed REBUG-TOOLBOX-02.00.00.pkg (suggested by deank for Kmeaw users to toggle qa flag)
2. In Rebug Toolbox -> Utilities -> Toggle QA Flag was set to Enable.
3. Uninstalled crap (I didn't have any spoofers, but I had some ancient packages from last year) and ejected whatever disk in drive.
4. Renamed REBUG_4.21.1_REX_PS3UPDAT.PUP to PS3UPDAT.PUP and placed it in /PS3/UPDATE/ folder on FAT32 USB drive.
5. USB drive was plugged in the right most USB port.
6. Updated firmware via Settings -> System Update -> Update via Storage Media.
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Thanks for writing out your steps. At the very least, it saved me searching around for how to set QA flags in Kmeaw.

Also thanks to EndlessFlood for listing the pros/cons of the firmwares. Very helpful.
 
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criesofthepast

Member
Hmm because it lists the game I'm playing when I check the in-game XMB under the "quit game" XMB option. I figured PSN would show the same.

I don't really go on PSN anyways. Was just curious.
 
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criesofthepast

Member
endlessflood said:
There's an app to take care of that (PSNnja).
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Can't I physically edit the param.sfo or some file of multiman to just change the name to a popular game like call of duty? I'm surprised multiman doesn't already do this for you or give you the option.

Would rather do that than install the app but thanks for that. I'm sure others will find that handy now that many are going online with their CFW ps3's. I just go online once a week to check out the store really.
 
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Rickeh

Member
Hi does anyone know how to display covers in showtime? I understand that it pulls metadata from themoviedb.org but does this include covers? As after connecting the ps3 to the net a few covers showed up for my media in showtime (4.0) and I'm not quite sure how it works/how to edit my media to show covers.

Thanks.
 
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Cloak

Member
I must be missing something... I figured I need to download new versions of my emu/apps, but I don't see anything for 4.21 (unless I'm really not looking in the right places).
Anything I get has 3 versions... 1.92, 3.41, and 3.55. The 3.55 ones don't install, the others do, but when I open them they just exit out with an error code. I've been banging my head on this for the past 2 days...
Is there a switch I'm missing in the Rebug toolbox or somewhere else?

Also I've seen Retro Arch being a collection of all different emu's in one place? Is it any good?
If so, can someone point me in the right direction of a version that will work with Rebug 4.21.

On a side note, for those using OtherOS, what version of Linux are you using, and for what?
I was thinking of an setting up a FTP server or firewall or just workstation or something (if those are even possible... haven tried anything yet), but not really sure what direction to go... just looking for some inspiration.
 
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endlessflood

Member
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criesofthepast

Member
I've had 2 lockups when quitting a game already on rogero 4.30. System restarts and says my drive may be corrupted and goes through that whole file check. Scares the shit out of me but luckily it comes back okay and it takes me back to the XMB. I've had more problems with rogero cfw in two weeks than I ever did with kmeaw all year and a half.
 
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ComputerMKII

Banned
My PS3 is going to be delivered very soon. If it has a firmware lower than 3.55, do I have to update to the official 3.55 firmware before installing 4.21 CFW?
 
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endlessflood

Member
Computer said:
My PS3 is going to be delivered very soon. If it has a firmware lower than 3.55, do I have to update to the official 3.55 firmware before installing 4.21 CFW?
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If you do that you won't have the QA flag set. I guess you should probably go to 3.55 OFW first, then kmeaw, then follow the steps laid out here earlier by cameron.
 
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systemfehler

Member
Never looked into a CFW for my PS3 so until know I was pretty oblivious what is possible and what I even need for it to work. I have a old (2008) CECHL PS3 with the new 4.30 firmware - is there a way to downgrade to 3.55 and then install a CFW? Opening the PS3 and using some hardware flashing is not the worth the hassle for me - I am just curious what I could do and maybe when the PS4 arrives use the PS3 for some number crunching + otherOS again.
 
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endlessflood

Member
phosphor112 said:
What about the store, since it has been updated to that HTML5 based app?
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Yes.


systemfehler said:
Never looked into a CFW for my PS3 so until know I was pretty oblivious what is possible and what I even need for it to work. I have a old (2008) CECHL PS3 with the new 4.30 firmware - is there a way to downgrade to 3.55 and then install a CFW? Opening the PS3 and using some hardware flashing is not the worth the hassle for me - I am just curious what I could do and maybe when the PS4 arrives use the PS3 for some number crunching + otherOS again.
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If you're on an official firmware above 3.55 then the only way to get CFW is to open the PS3 and use a hardware flasher. If it's a 3K or 4K PS3 model then there's no way back at all.

This link has more info:
http://www.ps3hax.net/2012/10/ps3-4...read-before-attempting-anything-and-bookmark/
 
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phosphor112

Banned
endlessflood said:
Yes.
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I'm also curious. Is it using that new store? I honestly don't plan on using the CFW (it would be too hard for me too at this point...) I'm just interested on how it works. I'm assuming it is because, since you say full PSN access, I'm imagining that proper updates are being received.
 
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Cloak

Member
I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, since it's been mentioned in the last few posts...

A co-worker of mine who has never been on CFW, but has PS3 that came with a OFW lower than 3.55, his blu-ray drive died.
I believe he's not on the latest OFW, but currently higher than 3.55

Short of the hardware flasher to take him down to 3.55 (going the CFW route) or just replacing the blu-ray drive, there is nothing that can be done for him?
Just trying to see if he can save a few bucks.
 
MMaRsu

MMaRsu

Banned
Cloak said:
I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, since it's been mentioned in the last few posts...

A co-worker of mine who has never been on CFW, but has PS3 that came with a OFW lower than 3.55, his blu-ray drive died.
I believe he's not on the latest OFW, but currently higher than 3.55

Short of the hardware flasher to take him down to 3.55 (going the CFW route) or just replacing the blu-ray drive, there is nothing that can be done for him?
Just trying to see if he can save a few bucks.
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Not that I know of, I'd reccomend going to CFW.
 
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ComputerMKII

Banned
It took quite a few Google searches and patience, but I'm finally on CFW 4.21 Rebug. Everything works fine. :)

By the way, my PS3 (80 GB, PAL, FAT model) came with OFW 2.45. That's pretty old, isn't it?
 
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CrashPrime

Member
Computer said:
It took quite a few Google searches and patience, but I'm finally on CFW 4.21 Rebug. Everything works fine. :)

By the way, my PS3 (80 GB, PAL, FAT model) came with OFW 2.45. That's pretty old, isn't it?
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:(

You should've did a little more searching, and had a little more patience. CFW 4.30/31 is out now, and you're going to need to downgrade back to 3.55 to get there. Don't forget to dehash.
 
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Cloak

Member
MMaRsu said:
Not that I know of, I'd reccomend going to CFW.
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But if he's on something later than 3.55 (but not the latest, whatever it is), he can't just plug a USB stick with Rebug 4.21 and upgrade to that...
He would have to have been on a CFW already to turn that QA flag on right?

So he would need the hardware flasher to downgrade I guess.
 
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ComputerMKII

Banned
CrashPrime said:
:(

You should've did a little more searching, and had a little more patience. CFW 4.30/31 is out now, and you're going to need to downgrade back to 3.55 to get there. Don't forget to dehash.
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Oh. Where did you see that, got any link? I've heard about Rogero 4.30 but not Rebug. And (sorry for the noob question), what do you mean by 'dehash'?
 
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Naked Snake

Member
CrashPrime said:
:(

You should've did a little more searching, and had a little more patience. CFW 4.30/31 is out now, and you're going to need to downgrade back to 3.55 to get there. Don't forget to dehash.
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My understanding was that Rebug 4.21 can play all games (do any games require FW higher than 4.21?), has PSN access, offers more options, and is supposedly safer than Roger 4.3 (see post by endlessflood)

I'm still on 3.55, but if I were to upgrade today I'd probably go with Rebug 4.21.1 REX
 
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test_account

XP-39C²
CrashPrime said:
:(

You should've did a little more searching, and had a little more patience. CFW 4.30/31 is out now, and you're going to need to downgrade back to 3.55 to get there. Don't forget to dehash.
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I dont think it matters that much if someone is on CFW 4.30/31 or 4.21 actually. All games can be resigned, and PSN spoofers have worked on and off (and it might work more on than off now that lv0 keys are out).

So far Sony has done nothing to make sure that newer games cant be played on older firmware besides using a new encryption. They havnt made some extra stuff in the new firmware that would make it impossible to use the game on older firmware even if the eboot is resigned. I really wonder why Sony havnt done more about this, but maybe there is a technical reason for it, i have no idea. But if they havnt done anything so far, i'm not sure if they will do anything about it now.

I'm very curious to see what the next OFW will bring.
 
MMaRsu

MMaRsu

Banned
So is there a spoofer for someone who is on Rogero 4.21 v1.0? I'd like to see if I can get my original account back because I formatted my hdd and I'd like to play on my old account again..

I'm also still wondering if it's worth the trouble of going to rebug 4.21. I would have to downgrade, dehash and install the new cfw right? Just follow the guide posted above I think. My XMB doesnt work from ingame and that's bugging me, and I heard from here that Rebug is more stable so yea. I just dont wanna brick anything because I already updated to OFW 4.21 so I dont wanna go trough that trouble again lol. I always seem to have misfortune :p.

REBUG 4.21.1 REX EDITION

INSTALL:
From XMB install REBUG 4.21.1 REX EDITION over any 3.55 OFW/CFW/MFW or the same or lower firmware version CFW with spkg sig check patched or any firmware version CFW with spkg sig check patched and QA enabled.
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Does this say I should install this straight over a clean 3.55 ofw right?
 
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