AstroNut325
Member
I'm firmly in the PS4 camp and I think a lot of people are overreacting! The wording doesn't indicate no used games. And Kinect in all SKUs sounds great to me. We need to see advancements in stereo image input.
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VGLeaks: First look as Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, must install)
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There a whole world out there, you know..
Also, I read this as always turned on, as like the box is doing stuff in standby mode or someting... Always online like downloadong updates and things while not playing etc etc
The kinect and mandatory installs kind of strike me in a bad way though..
Also, I read this as always turned on, as like the box is doing stuff in standby mode or someting... Always online like downloadong updates and things while not playing etc etc
The kinect and mandatory installs kind of strike me in a bad way though..
Not necessarily. There could be purchasable codes that unlock the game again. It certainly reduces the value of used games if that is the case though.
Syphon Filter
Member
i dont care about used games.
You proved my point.
These are BUSINESSES we're talking about.
People believing Microsoft will target casuals who don't buy expensive consoles, at the start of this Gen have rocks in their heads.
They'll go for them later when the console is affordable.
Many do?
jordan0386
Member
Always on, obviously means low power mode. Easier transition to Live and Gameplay.
But if you want to believe something else. You are more than welcome to...
But if you want to believe something else. You are more than welcome to...
GreatMightySymp
Member
I don't buy used so this isn't that much of a deal to me and I already install all my games to the HDD anyway (have one of the later Elite models before the redesign so the fan goes crazy if I play from disc).
I do wonder if you still have to have the disc in the tray like on the Xbox 360 once it's installed, though.
I do wonder if you still have to have the disc in the tray like on the Xbox 360 once it's installed, though.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Where?
PC? PS4? WiiU?
Raven77
Member
Okay...
175 million other gamers do...so it should be easy for you to understand why this is a big deal.
Also, it would basically put Gamestop NEARLY out of business (if not entirely) costing tens of thousands of people their jobs. So if you care about the livelihood of your fellow man THEN YOU SHOULD CARE ABOUT USED GAMES!!!!
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
So will we be able to play SP games offline using the disk as authentication or no offline play at all?
jordan0386
Member
There technically wont be a used game market if the new system doesnt allow used games...
Used games for PS4. No used games for Xbox. Aint an effective marketing strategy for a Sony supporter.
Who is really gonna wait 3 months for 10 dollars cheaper?
Should be interesting.
Anyone have some of the old quotes about Wii's WiiConnect24?
No, not everyone does. By choice, by lack of affordability, by lack of service (even someone 10km from Microsoft's HQ can not have it), by disaster (communication systems down after an Earthquake or a flood), or by simply never being possible in many areas around the world.
Some that do have internet, may have it through a mobile and not have any personal need for their systems to connect online if they just want to play games.
I keep seeing them promoting and advertising games as well. I'll never understand the mindset some have that it is either a "target just us" or "target just people who don't care about video games". The combination that people who prefer to play titles like Plants vs Zombies as a main title in their library is also hilarious.
That's great. I do care about used games, which is also great. Let's take this time to understand and respect each other's cares and opinions.
No, not everyone does. By choice, by lack of affordability, by lack of service (even someone 10km from Microsoft's HQ can not have it), by disaster (communication systems down after an Earthquake or a flood), or by simply never being possible in many areas around the world.
Some that do have internet, may have it through a mobile and not have any personal need for their systems to connect online if they just want to play games.
I keep seeing them promoting and advertising games as well. I'll never understand the mindset some have that it is either a "target just us" or "target just people who don't care about video games". The combination that people who prefer to play titles like Plants vs Zombies as a main title in their library is also hilarious.
That's great. I do care about used games, which is also great. Let's take this time to understand and respect each other's cares and opinions.
I agree an assault on used games is...wait. Gamestop out of business you say? Hmmm well let's not get to hasty. I say give this thing a chance.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
I still can't find the XDK mentioned this
"game data streaming from optical disc not supported" from OP is what they only mentioned about
Call Me Maybe
Banned
Is it just me or does that not sound as bad?
It says data won't be pulled from disc during gameplay. Data also includes drm data
Stripper13
Member
I am quite sure that Microsoft will require you to 'register' your game in some way via Internet connection - and the game will be more or less incomplete until you do that.
I do not believe that Microsoft is foolish enough to remove the ability to play your games without a continuous Internet connection.
There's a significant difference between the two.
This is a joke post right?
Yes they went hard after the casual market via Kinect - but there's nothing to suggest that they're about to drop the core market, and destroy the ability to play offline games. It's ridiculous.
The doc( assuming it's real) made no mention of internet being required to play games.
I mentioned a lot of exclusive games, as to mean developers got on board with this and started developing exclusively for Durango.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
I think the point was you cannot really predict what is going to happen based on the last few years of the previous generation. The PS3 came out at $599 and they were promoting bluray more than gaming. Nintendo kind of came out of nowhere with the Wii from the Gamecube.
We've seen Microsoft shift focus midway through the Xbox 360 but that doesn't guarantee they will continue that same path.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
Disc checking(if it have) is before gameplay
If 720 won't read the disc,how could it even install the game?
My god. It's like you guys are just making stuff up. That doc doesn't say that. It says the disc is used to install the game and plays off the HD. It doesn't say you can throw away the disc afterwards because online drm is used.
During gameplay would be the key there. Disks for current 360 games installed to hard drive aren't needed during gameplay, but the disk needs to be there at the startup.
This is the genesis of all the info so far.
Raven77
Member
Nothing to suggest it? How about every rumor (many of them that contain details that have been all but confirmed).
They already dropped the core market. Have you honestly not noticed the shift away from original / new games and game series these past 3-4 years?
Its Gears, Halo, Forza, wash, rinse, repeat, make it annual, make the money.
In Microsoft's Russia, "Hello, Batman" is really on the other end.
http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/mkhst.jpg
Syphon Filter
Member
i think they only had those same games since the cycle is ending.
GuitarAtomik
Member
I could see this as a scenario:
Games would require the disc after install to verify it but you could do diskless game swapping by verifying it over the internet. Verifying it over the internet would require you to "register" the game to your console similar to the way Xbla games work.
Games would require the disc after install to verify it but you could do diskless game swapping by verifying it over the internet. Verifying it over the internet would require you to "register" the game to your console similar to the way Xbla games work.
Karak
Member
In Microsoft's Russia, "Hello, Batman" is really on the other end.
The look on his face is perfect.
soul creator
Member
the only way I could see them doing the "no used games" thing for retail discs is if they build in some type of free 3G that's solely used for game activation if it's not connected to a home network. Then maybe it could be tied to a live account, and you can "login" and play that way (since it just needs to do the one-time check, I can't imagine the data usage being too high for this purpose). Maybe even this way, it could still be traded in, since only one person could ever be "logged in" to play it at the time the disc is inserted, while still allowing the benefit on their end of a piracy check on their server or something. I dunno.
Otherwise, I doubt they'd do the "always require an online connection even just to play a single player retail game" thing.
I could be wrong though, obviously
Otherwise, I doubt they'd do the "always require an online connection even just to play a single player retail game" thing.
I could be wrong though, obviously
They dropped the core market? When did that happen? Shift away from new games in the past few years? Thats odd. I was just playing Dust an hour ago. Could have sworn Loco Cycle, Press Play's new platformer, Crimson Dragon and State of Decay are all coming down the pike soon. Oh wait those are XBLA games, so i guess they don't count as "core" i keep forgetting that.
Yeah many in this thread are doing exactly that.
Oooh, dat underdog status! If you are an Xbox only gamer heading into this next Gen I hope you have thick skin because it's only going to get worse and the console hasn't even been unveiled yet. Fun times ahead!
Also I'm taking a wait and see approach to these rumors. If used games are out and mandatory online is in then MS have lost their fucking minds.
Also I'm taking a wait and see approach to these rumors. If used games are out and mandatory online is in then MS have lost their fucking minds.
cpp_is_king
Member
i could care less about always online, install to hdd, and no used games. but required kinect means im out, and will be going ps4 exclusively
specialguy
Banned
people should be more jazzed about must install.
pretty serious performance boon. finally all that crap about all units having a hard drive offering greater performance, will actually be true, since the games will be mandatory installed.
and it sounds like it'll be completely unintrusive, so win-win.
pretty serious performance boon. finally all that crap about all units having a hard drive offering greater performance, will actually be true, since the games will be mandatory installed.
and it sounds like it'll be completely unintrusive, so win-win.
Hmm. That could work. I might would even register for the convenience of not having to disc swap. I don't buy used games anyway. I support developers, not gamestop. Those that do though, could continue to disc swap to verify ownership. Win Win.
Raven77
Member
What on earth does MS have to do with those games getting released on Live??? Is Al Gore responsible for every cool website that pops up (he invented the internets).
Syphon Filter
Member
they do,most of those are published by MS.
well loco cycle is by Twisted Pixel I believe and MS bought them so it's their game. No idea who's publishing the rest.
soul creator
Member
Well, being a console manufacturer, MS has to approve every one of them to even be available on the platform. So uh, they're kind of critical to the process. That's not even including publishing.
Or have the goalposts now moved to "games can't just be available on your platform to count, they have to be funded specifically by you!"?
