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Vita OLED burn in.

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QaaQer

Member
ffs, if this is a really huge issue that affects all oled screens rendering them crap, where are all the pictures?

https://www.google.ca/search?q=vita+burn+in+oled&num=40&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=MIpJUf22LcegiALGiIDwCQ&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1978&bih=1128

https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&biw=1978&bih=1128&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=vita+burn-in&oq=vita+burn-in&gs_l=img.3...68901.72163.0.72849.7.5.2.0.0.0.427.1310.0j1j3j0j1.5.0...0.0...1c.1.7.img.2mY0X_pA7OM

Or complaints from verified purchasers? http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-Vita-WiFi/dp/B003O6EATE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1363774156&sr=8-1&keywords=vita

I'm not saying it never happens because the same phenomena happens with old school crts and plasmas, but it isn't common and it's not something people should worry about. & I've played games on CRTs, Plasma, and OLED.
 
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meppi

Member
LeleSocho said:
Hell no Plasmas are still better at everything than OLED specially on image retention/burn-in because it's a much more seasoned tech

The only thing is that you can't make plasmas the size of a phone screen (or computer screens for what matters).
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Oh, is that so? I'm extremely satisfied with my Panasonic one myself and am actually planning on upgrading to a 65" from my 3 year old 46" one by the end of the year.

It's just that several people on here mentioned in the past that OLED would be the be all end all technology for TVs in a couple of years, replacing Plasma as the best option.
But that only the price was keeping it from being feasible at this point in time.
I don't know why, but I took their words as informed opinions for some reason. :-/

derwalde said:
day 1 vita and no burn in, though i use it on a daily basis. this is typical neogaf...
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So is "mine is fine, this problem doesn't exist at all for anyone else, sothey must be lying!".
 
T

Toma

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I use the Vita Browser almost daily since day 1 and hasn't happened to me yet. We know this thing can happen, but apparently it's not common.
 
T

Toma

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Valnen said:
Sounds like the plasma television defense around here.
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That's not the point. All devices have issues, but apparently this isn't even all that common.
 
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ThatsMytrunks

Member
When the lights are off and the Vita is just displaying a black screen, I've noticed there are darkened splotchy areas that won't go away. It's been like that since day one, and while it isn't the least bit noticeable during any gameplay, it's disconcerting. I can't get a photo of it, but is this common?
 
T

Toma

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ThatsMytrunks said:
When the lights are off and the Vita is just displaying a black screen, I've noticed there are darkened splotchy areas that won't go away. It's been like that since day one, and while it isn't the least bit noticeable during any gameplay, it's disconcerting. I can't get a photo of it, but is this common?
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Yes, Mura effect of all OLED screens.
 
H

Hanmik

Member
there is a trophy in Mortal Kombat on the Vita that requires 768 hours of devotion time. That means you have to play with all characters for 24 hours each (768 hours can be halved by playing Tag team mode)..
The thing is, that people have boosting for this trophy.

In order to boost time, ensure that your Vita is plugged with the AC Adapter and have something to press against the left analog stick constantly so that the Vita doesn't go into standby mode. I would recommend pressing the analog stick down so your character stays crouched all of the time and doesn't move.
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a lot of people have boosted like this.. some of them must have had burn in, because all the MK Hud items stay on the screen while they are boosting.

there is a trophy in Little Big Planet Vita, that is easy to get if you boost like that.
 
M

michaelius

Banned
ThatsMytrunks said:
When the lights are off and the Vita is just displaying a black screen, I've noticed there are darkened splotchy areas that won't go away. It's been like that since day one, and while it isn't the least bit noticeable during any gameplay, it's disconcerting. I can't get a photo of it, but is this common?
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Yes every vita has it - it's also discussed on page 1 of this thread ;)
 
L

Leezard

Member
ThatsMytrunks said:
When the lights are off and the Vita is just displaying a black screen, I've noticed there are darkened splotchy areas that won't go away. It's been like that since day one, and while it isn't the least bit noticeable during any gameplay, it's disconcerting. I can't get a photo of it, but is this common?
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That's the Mura effect, it is mentioned in the thread in earlier posts.
Edit: beaten
 
J

Jay Sosa

Member
Valnen said:
Don't buy a Plasma either if all you do is gaming and no TV.
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I know, I've been there. Despite all the people saying that newer Plasmas don't burn in I could see the GTA radar days after playing. Despite breaking it in...

Not to mention phosphor trails.

Now I have to live with DSE..new TVs all suck.
 
M

meppi

Member
Valnen said:
Don't buy a Plasma either if all you do is gaming and no TV.
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So much for blanket statements that don't hold any truth, I guess.

Lots of people are very satisfied with their gaming plasmas, some aren't.
Let the people decide for themselves instead of scaring them away by pretending they are terrible as a gaming tv.

In your defence, I wouldn't recommend a Samsung plasma. My sister has one and it is indeed rather terrible. Panasonic or nothing in the case. At least for me.
 
G

GrotesqueBeauty

Banned
Hmm, I'm not probably not picking up a Vita for some time, but I'll definitely be keeping tabs on this and seeing if future revisions address the problem. If you're all about bleeding edge tech and tend to trade in one piece of hardware for another every few years this stuff is probably a back burner concern, unless you play constantly. For anyone who actually collects and plays across multiple generations though, long term reliability matters. Dealing with issues of this sort is a huge pain once a system is out of warranty, much less after a company drops any form of support entirely. People always rag on Nintendo's use of "withered" technology, but contrary to popular belief it's not solely a cost cutting measure (although manufacturing costs are no doubt a factor). Particularly on handhelds which take a lot of abuse I think comparatively conservative tech has a place. Still dying to actually see Rayman Origins running on a Vita in person though. There's some things that the pixel density on Nintendo's handhelds just can't do justice.
 
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Durante

Member
meppi said:
So is "mine is fine, this problem doesn't exist at all for anyone else, sothey must be lying!".
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No, but I think it's fair to say "mine is fine, Vita was bought by over 3 million people, there have been very few previous reports of any burn-in, so calling it 'very prone' to the issue seems immensely premature".
 
Q

QaaQer

Member
LeleSocho said:
2 reasons:


1) I can bet what you want that even if people acknowledge the problems they will still go around saying "dat OLED"



2) Some people know what they are buying so don't go apeshit crazy when known problems happens
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Seriously? If this was a common issue, Amazon reviews would be flooded with complaints and there would be a bunch of pictures on image search.
 
L

LeleSocho

Banned
meppi said:
Oh, is that so? I'm extremely satisfied with my Panasonic one myself and am actually planning on upgrading to a 65" from my 3 year old 46" one by the end of the year.

It's just that several people on here mentioned in the past that OLED would be the be all end all technology for TVs in a couple of years, replacing Plasma as the best option.
But that only the price was keeping it from being feasible at this point in time.
I don't know why, but I took their words as informed opinions for some reason. :-/
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It's not entirely false, OLED is the technology for the future (there are a couple of other techs from sony and samsung that can be better but they still aren't in the market so we don't know yet) and eventually might suppress lcd and plasmas but for now it's still a very young tech with a lot of problems, if you want a reliable product you might check it in 4-5 years at least

Buying an OLED now is like buying a Plasma tv 10-15 years ago.

Plasma nowadays are in the range of acceptable even if you care about these things because they have to be way more used to show the problems but yeah it's still isn't good for static images
 
sono

sono

Member
I have had my Vita since launch, use it extensively every day (including reading NeoGAF!) and have not seen this.
 
O

Oersted

Member
Looks like RyL was right. Where is he anyway?


DR2K said:
I can see the imprint of the update button.
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I see nothing.


Untalkative_Bunny said:
ffs, if this is a really huge issue that affects all oled screens rendering them crap, where are all the pictures?

https://www.google.ca/search?q=vita+burn+in+oled&num=40&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=MIpJUf22LcegiALGiIDwCQ&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1978&bih=1128

https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&biw=1978&bih=1128&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=vita+burn-in&oq=vita+burn-in&gs_l=img.3...68901.72163.0.72849.7.5.2.0.0.0.427.1310.0j1j3j0j1.5.0...0.0...1c.1.7.img.2mY0X_pA7OM

Or complaints from verified purchasers? http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-Vita-WiFi/dp/B003O6EATE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1363774156&sr=8-1&keywords=vita

I'm not saying it never happens because the same phenomena happens with old school crts and plasmas, but it isn't common and it's not something people should worry about. & I've played games on CRTs, Plasma, and OLED.
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Look page 2.
 
V

Valnen

Member
meppi said:
Let the people decide for themselves instead of scaring them away by pretending they are terrible as a gaming tv.
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Informed people make better decisions. People should know that if all they do is game on a plasma, they WILL get IR on most sets. Even Panasonics or Samsungs.

It's good that information about the failures of OLED is coming out now too.
 
L

LeleSocho

Banned
Untalkative_Bunny said:
Seriously? If this was a common issue, Amazon reviews would be flooded with complaints and there would be a bunch of pictures on image search.
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Yeah you are right look at all those negative reviews for plasma tvs...
search burn in oled on google and you have all the images you want

Valnen said:
It's good that information about the failures of OLED is coming out now too.
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Not that good if it's after that people bought the product it should've come out at the launch or at the presentation.
 
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Jaded Alyx

Member
cyberheater said:
Why would Sony be so dumb to use a screen technology on a portable gaming device that can be affected with burn in or allow you to use it as often or with any app you please.
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Because they have no restraint.

I remember someone here talking about issues with the Vita screen, and what will happen to it eventually, a good while back.
 
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meppi

Member
Valnen said:
Informed people make better decisions. People should know that if all they do is game on a plasma, they WILL get IR on most sets. Even Panasonics or Samsungs.

It's good that information about the failures of OLED is coming out now too.
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IR? Yes. Heck I even get that on my retina MBP screen. But that's a temporary thing.
Burn in shouldn't be a problem with a good plasma, unless you leave the tv on for a whole day and night with a static picture. In which case I would put that into the user error category.
 
O

Oersted

Member
Jaded Alyx said:
Because they have no restraint.

I remember someone here talking about issues with the Vita screen, and what will happen to it eventually, a good while back.
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You mean RyL? The junior member with the skeleton avatar? He wrote pretty big rants about this.
 
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BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO

Junior Member
I had a :
Nexus S for 2 years
Galaxy S 2 for almost a year
Vita for more than a year

Never had a problem with burn in on any of these devices. But I guess it's the something you have to risk of you want to avoid that shitty technology known as LCD.
 
Grinchy

Grinchy

Banned
How come you don't take a picture with the same camera you use to snap shots of your ass? That one is a lot more clear.
 
V

Valnen

Member
meppi said:
IR? Yes. Heck I even get that on my retina MBP screen. But that's a temporary thing.
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In order to get rid of IR from things like gaming HUD elements you need to do something else with the TV, like watch a movie or watch TV. If you don't intend to do that you won't get rid of the IR. So you can't just play a game for a long period, turn it off, and come back the next day and play that same game for a long period and expect the IR to go away.

IR would ruin any game with cutscenes in it IMO. Pretty much means good luck playing RPG's on a plasma.
 
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Man-is-Obsolete

Member
Hanmik said:
please try this..

download this picture on your Vita..

Burn-in-test.jpg


and set it as a background for your apps. This should be a good way to see if it is burn in.
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Tried this and I can see nothing wrong. Hugs Vita.
 
W

Whiteshirt

Member
9thwonder said:
I had a :
Nexus S for 2 years
Galaxy S 2 for almost a year
Vita for more than a year

Never had a problem with burn in on any of these devices. But I guess it's the something you have to risk of you want to avoid that shitty technology known as LCD.
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But that's the thing. Since mobile OLEDs don't seem to use black frame insertion (the Vita nor Galaxy S3 do this), the only significant advantage over top draw LCDs is black depth. LCDs don't have problems with image quality like you seem to be suggesting.

We're not talking about whatever rubbish Nintendo sources, we're talking quality panels where black depth, at usable brightness levels, is extremely good and colour gamut covers the entire sRGB colour space, which is probably better than wide gamut since it doesn't oversaturate sRGB content.

meppi said:
IR? Yes. Heck I even get that on my retina MBP screen. But that's a temporary thing.
Burn in shouldn't be a problem with a good plasma, unless you leave the tv on for a whole day and night with a static picture. In which case I would put that into the user error category.
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LCDs can have IR, yes. In the case you brought up, the retina Macbook suffering from burn in seems to be a problem with LG's AH-IPS technology. The Dell U2713HM has the same problem.
 
Q

QaaQer

Member
LeleSocho said:
Yeah you are right look at all those negative reviews for plasma tvs...
search burn in oled on google and you have all the images you want
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Still not seeing the flood of images on image search. And the reason there isn't many complaints about plasma is because it is no more prone to burn in than crts, and people used to game on those all the time.

[and there is a difference between image retention on plasma, and burn in, for those who don't know]
 
C

Chaos Theory

Banned
umm.. if the Vita is on stand by " you know, when you press the power botton a small short press" and the system and screen goes to stand by, there is a chance of burn in ?

that is not even right :/
 
T

Toma

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DR2K said:
Until it happens to your Vita.
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The point is that it didnt to me and millions others, and I use it daily and know about the issues the tech has. If it eventually happens, I'll cry some and let GAF know in the Vita thread. But it still doesnt make it a common and widely spread issue.
 
M

meppi

Member
Valnen said:
In order to get rid of IR from things like gaming HUD elements you need to do something else with the TV, like watch a movie or watch TV. If you don't intend to do that you won't get rid of the IR. So you can't just play a game for a long period, turn it off, and come back the next day and play that same game for a long period and expect the IR to go away.

IR would ruin any game with cutscenes in it IMO. Pretty much means good luck playing RPG's on a plasma.
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You can just plan another game and it'll disappear depending on how bad the IR from the previous game was.
I've had it happen with the HUD of Crash Commando and Bad Company 2 in the past. Those two were very bad. But then again, it was my own fault as I would play those games on PS3 for 4-6 hours straight, then do the same thing the next day without using the tv for anything else.

After BC2, I haven't had this happen again, basically because I can only play BF3 for a couple of hours before I get bored of it and want to play something completely different.
So yeah, changing things up is a good idea. But that doesn't need to be regular TV or a movie. Just another game will be fine.

SeroTyler said:
CRT 4 lyfe!
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I'd be fine with this if they still made them. :)
HD 65" CRT on the wall....drools...
 
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