I would have bought CvS2, sry Capcom
So Super Street Fight 4 is not a thing?
That didn't happen?
And then they didn't do it YET AGAIN for MvC?
No?
IMHO DSR was a better port than 3rd Strike.
The wiki quotes you posted gave reasons for why they had to be disc releases. So I don't really understand why you're angry unless you're arguing for the sake of it.
The U.S. didn't care about Darkstalkers in the mid-90s when fighting games were far more popular, so what the hell was Capcom expecting now?
That's why they're losing sales. No one wants someone to treat them like a cow to be milked and that's what it begins to feel like with Capcom fighting games.
I think the only time Capcom has legitimately tried to milk fans was with SFxT. I've bought all the versions of SF4 and I can't say that I've felt "milked." I can't speak for everyone, though.
My guess is they were expecting it to generate more appeal on its own merits after listening to fans go on about how amazing it was and how much it was still 99 times better than any present day fighting game. You know, the usual stuff you hear in the FG community.
Sven was very diplomatic in his statement and didn't "blame the fans". He also said he "misread" the situation.
To me that sounds like he's thinking "I shouldn't have taken fans on the internet so seriously, won't be making that mistake again."
They're also learning that they need to treat large updates like Expansion packs, not new releases. You can charge $40 for UMvC3/SSF4 - just require the original game, so initial users don't feel cheated.I think the only time Capcom has legitimately tried to milk fans was with SFxT. I've bought all the versions of SF4 and I can't say that I've felt "milked." I can't speak for everyone, though.
If they're using the internet to gauge whether or not a title is worth releasing, they deserve to lose money.
And VS IS better than any fighter Capcom has made recently.
Well, Square Enix was evidently using metacritic scores of other people's games to estimate how many copies of an Eidos game they could sell.
Capcom may have been dumb here, but I do find some degree of irony if the reason they were dumb was because they listened to the fans - the thing fans say they never do.
Though I don't think anyone is doubting how good Vampire Savior is.
I'm a big Darkstalkers fan and I didn't even blink an eye for this, I want a new Darkstalkers. I hope they don't make excuses that they aren't making a sequel because of this.
wait, it's Capcom, they will
It's probably not doing anything amazing, but I'm sure it's getting more than adequate sales. You don't make the top 10 by doing nothing.
I think this is another case of Capcom expecting too much. You can't release an old duo of games of a very technical series, take out a bunch of content, and then expect it to sell like wildfire. They aren't playing all the angles right.
Anyway, as I said before, I still think it's pretty obvious that DS4 is on the horizon. Ono and Niitsuma have to be working on something and all the hallmarks are there. We'll just have to hope that they are a bit smarter in how they handle future releases.
It's fine to "listen to the fans," but you should budget accordingly. I'm pretty sure that Capcom recently said that the fighting game market was over saturated. I'm pretty sure they can tell exactly how many copies VS has sold in the past and use that to project how much money they should spend releasing this version. The consumer is not to blame if a company doesn't make its money back.
Edit: Yup. They blamed over saturation for SFxT's performance:
http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2012/...tion-street-fighter-x-tekkens-sluggish-sales/
Looks like DS4 isn't happening then.
Capcom has been churning out too many old school titles recently(specifically Marvel Origins and this). They gotta slow it down.
I guess that also means CvS2: Online Edition will never happen. *cry*
I'm pretty confident if they put out CvS2 it wouldn't do much better than DS:R. Maybe even worse.Darkstalkers doesn't have half of the hype behind it as MvC2, SF2, or Third Strike
In that sense, I'd put Capcom vs SNK 2 and maybe even Power Stone above it
how well did the Darkstalkers series even sell when it was new?
I'm pretty confident if they put out CvS2 it wouldn't do much better than DS:R. Maybe even worse.
Yeah I'm talking about an Iron Galaxy re-release rather than a PSN port.The only version out in the foreign PSN stores is the PS2 Classic version, so of course it wouldn't sell as well. If they actually bothered to make an updated version with netcode and the like, then it would be different.
MvC Origins was a tougher sell than Darkstalkers. MvC2 is out, MvC3 is out, UMvC3 is out, and we're supposed to want the oldest Marvel games why, exactly?heres the thing, while DSR is an awesome port as perfect to the arcade as it can be with pretty awesome online, what FG fans and DS fans have been asking for isnt rereleases of old Darkstalkers games but a DS4, but thats beside the point, DSR is in 7th place on psn bestsellers, not even MvC:Origins reached top 10 and that game is arguably a more popular IP than Darkstalkers, capcom would be stupid not to see that.
MvC Origins was a tougher sell than Darkstalkers. MvC2 is out, MvC3 is out, UMvC3 is out, and we're supposed to want the oldest Marvel games why, exactly?
Origins also had two major new fighting games to compete with in September. As far as I know, Darkstalkers was all clear
Either way, list placement doesn't mean a lot when Capcom is looking at actual sales data. And Sven was disappointed by Origins sales too
They're also learning that they need to treat large updates like Expansion packs, not new releases. You can charge $40 for UMvC3/SSF4 - just require the original game, so initial users don't feel cheated.
That is why I said "something new". Darkstalkers is a poor replacement for MvC which means it has no place today. It's not a tag fighter of any sort and Morrigan will never replace Phoenix. If Capcom somehow expanded the audience enough for a third completely different IP then Darkstalkers would have a place. So far they can't do that without relying on Street Fighter somehow. No other company is managing to make more than two work either(Netherrealm moved on to Injustice and Namco can only do Tekken/Souls).while DS is the precursor to the MvC series they hardly play the same
Nah, the average person ain't that silly. The automatic association is 2D and Third Strike had one of the most watched moments in fighting game history. The IP was still fresh enough to produce a 5 million unit seller. No amount of marketing could do that for a stale IP that people are confused or forgetful about.I'm talking about among the casual gamer, not fighting game fans. The person who couldn't tell the difference between 3S, Alpha, and III, might have thought they transitioned to 3D fighting with EX, and wouldn't have known anyone in SFIV except for the mainstays.
Too bad there aren't another 100,000 of those people laying around.If you're a tourney player, you're not going to be replacing your PS3 for a good long while.
Yep, Resurrection came better packaged than just about all of the other fighters from day one. It's one of the better jobs IG has done so far.What was different about the port / package compared to 3SO? Comparable emulation quality, better netcode, same amount of work put into the interface and presentation. Same replay / uploading features. Same character trials, comparable amount of artwork extras. Same display filters like scanlines / monitor curve.
The only thing lacking compared to 3SO is lack of arranged music as an option - just a few tracks are arranged for the menu music.
Sorry, it's just the one thing that gets me - many are calling it a shoddy or lazy port and I can't see it. Actually, MvC Origins was more rushed in comparison with a lack of trials, lacking the replay functionality / youtube uploading, etc.
DudeI think the only time Capcom has legitimately tried to milk fans was with SFxT. I've bought all the versions of SF4 and I can't say that I've felt "milked." I can't speak for everyone, though.
Oh, it has the hype. It's just that hype doesn't mean squat. Show me the money and the numbers. That is the real deal. That is the difference between games like Vampire Savior and MvC2.Darkstalkers doesn't have half of the hype behind it as MvC2, SF2, or Third Strike
In that sense, I'd put Capcom vs SNK 2 and maybe even Power Stone above it
how well did the Darkstalkers series even sell when it was new?
I think the only time Capcom has legitimately tried to milk fans was with SFxT. I've bought all the versions of SF4 and I can't say that I've felt "milked." I can't speak for everyone, though.
Darkstalkers was never a replacement for MvC mainly because it does its own thing and i trully believe DS can have its place, capcom just needs to stop giving poor excuses and give DS4(if it ever happens to be announced) the marketing and exposure DS1-DS3 never hadThat is why I said "something new". Darkstalkers is a poor replacement for MvC which means it has no place today. It's not a tag fighter of any sort and Morrigan will never replace Phoenix. If Capcom somehow expanded the audience enough for a third completely different IP then Darkstalkers would have a place. So far they can't do that without relying on Street Fighter somehow. No other company is managing to make more than two work either(Netherrealm moved on to Injustice and Namco can only do Tekken/Souls).
I'm pretty confident if they put out CvS2 it wouldn't do much better than DS:R. Maybe even worse.
This is slightly off topic, but does anyone know the release of the "final"patch for Third Strike Online Edition? Iron Galaxy was supposed to release the patch shortly after Darkstalkers came out, yet there hasn't been a peep from them.
I appreciate the feedback and the insights. I'm actually pleased at the insights discussions at Neogaf, reddit and some of the media site comments have yielded. It's not "good news" for us, but it's insights which help inform and direct.
Thanks for taking the time to write in.
Almost certainly worse. It's even more hardcore-only than DS.I'm pretty confident if they put out CvS2 it wouldn't do much better than DS:R. Maybe even worse.
Almost certainly worse. It's even more hardcore-only than DS.
Dude
UMvC3
I mean that no one outside of a hardcore audience has even heard of/played the game.On a high level sure, but as a game to pick up and play with your friends? Hell no. It takes the best things from KOF/SF. It's a really fun game regardless of skill level.
If you mean something else like a game with zero online, and just a ps2 port, I completely agree.
I mean that no one outside of a hardcore audience has even heard of/played the game.
Did you ask him about the patch?Sven responded to my PM; he is a gracious fellow:
Maybe, but being easy to pick up and play doesn't mean shit when you don't have the appeal to draw in players or make them look and listen in the first place. At least Darkstalkers has it's art going for it. Pretty sure nobody in the casual/broad audience today wants a vs. SNK game, or knows what SNK is.On a high level sure, but as a game to pick up and play with your friends? Hell no. It takes the best things from KOF/SF. It's a really fun game regardless of skill level.
If you mean something else like a game with zero online, and just a ps2 port, I completely agree.
It was either Sven or someone else who said they can't see themselves releasing a fighting game in the future that isn't on PC. Capcom and PC are good friends now, no need to worry.The good news is that he has to be reading about PC port requests. They've probably got a good reason for not making them.
No, but they could sure as hell decide on what to do about UMvC3. It was avoidable and you know it. That 9 month update in particular is what started the saturation of the market and handicapped SFxT before it even came out.Are you saying Capcom planned the natural disasters? Wouldn't put it past them.
Oh you're talking old games?Capcom says a lot of things. I'll wait until I see at least two PC ports of the classics(at least one not Street Fighter related) before I start believing them.