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Xbox Reveal Thread: Durango Unchained
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Messofanego
Banned
Have you guys read this "short" rant on Giant Bomb from user MordeaniisChaos?
http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/gen...-the-commentary-on-the-xbox-reveal-1436988/#1
It's beautiful.
http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/gen...-the-commentary-on-the-xbox-reveal-1436988/#1
It's beautiful.
Ninja Moomin
Banned
I loved it.
thanks for the thread guys.
preorder is in... £20 on game.co.uk for deposit.
thanks for the thread guys.
preorder is in... £20 on game.co.uk for deposit.
Liquidsnake
Banned
Why are you so quick to trash everything.
Lets see what happens at E3.
Lets see what happens at E3.
Squall ASF
Member
It's not a useless point, it's the only valid point. The biggest and most significant software conference of the year is less than a month away, everyone will see all they desire at that show. This was solely setup to get the hardware details out of the way so as to maximize their software showcase at E3. If you don't care about the hardware and what features it has, then don't watch. It blows my mind that anyone thought they would show a bunch of games at this when E3 is right around the corner. Tell me what would it have done for them? Do you honestly believe no one will pay attention to what games they reveal at E3 because Sony will be doing it at the same time? That they NEEDED this exclusive conference for such a thing? Because we know that Sony just knocked it out of the park showcasing all these amazing ga...oh wait. Both are doing the same thing. People are freaking out because MS wants to control the living room and Sony wisely capitalized on that by trying to give off the image that they are solely focused on games. Lets be real though, Sony will have many of the same features and at the end of the day, the only thing any of us give a shit about are what game are coming out for each respective system. MS can talk Kinect and tv until their faces turn blue but if they reveal a bunch of enticing exclusives at E3, you think gamers are going to say that MS doesn't care about games?
No, it isn't. Even if this reveal didn't mean to focus on games, nearly half of its running time was, in fact dedicated to games...games that didn't impress in any way, especially graphically. We learned that the cost of a Kinect is subsidized into the console, forcing that cost on us, that it needs to be plugged in at all times. We learned that bullshit game licensing would take effect. We learned there would be no backwards compatibility. We learned that the device itself is fucking massive, and pretty ugly.
We learned lots of things that suck, and the fact that not many games were shown really weren't our complaints. This is an outright disaster.
not a bad meltdown.
Liquidsnake
Banned
I hope Sony and MS kick ass all this generation.
I want a healthy future. Not a gaming collapse ala 1980's
I want a healthy future. Not a gaming collapse ala 1980's
Tenacious-V
Thinks his PR is better than yours.
So the left side of the Xbox seems like a perfect spot to snap in the "mini X360" considering the differences between the left/right sides, full grated opening, and lone USB port.
Squall ASF
Member
If I were having a meltdown good sir, I'd have dropped many an F bomb.
commanderpepper
Member
I was hoping from at least something from Rare.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Why do people still say this? What has Rare done recently?
Tenacious-V
Thinks his PR is better than yours.
Trapped in nostalgia land. The amazing Rareware, disappeared a long time ago.
DryvBy
Member
He meant he wanted Kinect Sports 3 and 4.
commanderpepper
Member
I still believe Rare can make something fun and interesting. I guess they might be stuck with the Kinect.
you would guess right. The Rare we grew up with is dead. I'm not expecting anything aside from Kinect stuff from them at E3
IOnEI Falcon
Member
There was something, but very tiny!
ZackieChan
Member
So the "one thing" that decides whether or not you will buy this system was hardly shown and was not the focus of the reveal of said system? And that's okay? And people expecting something different are "stupid?"
Got it.
When you sell the game on Microsoft will deactivate your install via unspecified methods, meaning the next purchaser won't have to pay the second-user fee. Once you sell a game, the license transfers in the cloud. So a new gamer activates it and it is then removed from your account. In addition to that, you can play the same game on multiple machines in cloud using one account too.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
I'm not so sure because the controller sync button is on that side.So the left side of the Xbox seems like a perfect spot to snap in the "mini X360" considering the differences between the left/right sides, full grated opening, and lone USB port.
It is a very weird place to put a lone USB port, though.
not in.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
This thread became the Xbox version of the thread where Nintendo said they weren't having a conference at E3 and everyone freaked out saying they weren't going to E3 at all.
A company specifically says something, then a bunch of people either can't read or won't read, and then they come in and say stupid things because they didn't pay attention. Then everyone who did pay attention spends the rest of the thread correcting everyone who doesn't pay attention.
It's a vicious cycle.
Anyway, I thought the conference was pretty bad. All of the TV features and everything don't interest me just like they didn't with the Wii U. Plus the fact that they'll all be locked behind a paywall, and I'm not paying for any paywall unless it gives me benefits on the video game side of things like PS+ does.
And they totally showed games, that was actually deflating for me too. They showed what, 7 games (Ghosts/4 EA titles/Forza/Quantum Break)? Only two of which are probably going to be exclusive? So that whole EA montage was probably just showing me what those games are going to look like on PS4 too. They should have opted to show another exclusive game now instead and held EA off until E3. It seems like at your console reveal your main focus should be on things I can't find anywhere but your console. Because the only thing I got out of that conference is an interest in Quantum Break. If that comes out for PC then it drops back down to zero.
I'm still hoping some of the exclusives at E3 peak my interest because I really want to buy the system after being glued to my 360 most of this gen.
A company specifically says something, then a bunch of people either can't read or won't read, and then they come in and say stupid things because they didn't pay attention. Then everyone who did pay attention spends the rest of the thread correcting everyone who doesn't pay attention.
It's a vicious cycle.
Anyway, I thought the conference was pretty bad. All of the TV features and everything don't interest me just like they didn't with the Wii U. Plus the fact that they'll all be locked behind a paywall, and I'm not paying for any paywall unless it gives me benefits on the video game side of things like PS+ does.
And they totally showed games, that was actually deflating for me too. They showed what, 7 games (Ghosts/4 EA titles/Forza/Quantum Break)? Only two of which are probably going to be exclusive? So that whole EA montage was probably just showing me what those games are going to look like on PS4 too. They should have opted to show another exclusive game now instead and held EA off until E3. It seems like at your console reveal your main focus should be on things I can't find anywhere but your console. Because the only thing I got out of that conference is an interest in Quantum Break. If that comes out for PC then it drops back down to zero.
I'm still hoping some of the exclusives at E3 peak my interest because I really want to buy the system after being glued to my 360 most of this gen.
Squall ASF
Member
Did you not notice the portions of my post where I mentioned E3? Nice try.
Actually I'd add the controller as "another thing". Apart from that he's pretty much spot on. They covered what they had to tonight, leaving E3 for games and finer detail. Suits me, it's less than 20 days to E3 and the systems are months away.
Just to be clear, if he/she had added "Grow up you children" I would not have disagreed.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
It almost feels like Microsoft knew they were gonna upset a lot of people by showing the entertainment stuff and knew there would be an even bigger shitstorm if they did it at e3.
Doing that stuff now at their own event probably seemed like the lesser of two evils.
I just hope they keep to their promise about E3 being all about the games.
Doing that stuff now at their own event probably seemed like the lesser of two evils.
I just hope they keep to their promise about E3 being all about the games.
I doubt they will release a new receiver, haven't they stopped making the original one? I plan on using the 360 pads I have already, not sure that the new features of the X1 pad will be supported by the majority of PC games.
statham
Member
Kinda do wish you went on that banpage
, maybe it would slow down the forum somewhat!These 19 days are going to go by slow
Let me image that for you
Well, it is going to be in the cloud now. Good thing about cloud is that it is easily scalable to meet demand. Spinning up tens of servers is awesome. The days of truly dedicated server issues and having to rack news taking hours is going to be gone.
Totally wicked! Should be a MUST READ for everyone.
Just to keep the hype on controlable levels, MS also didn't show any Kinect games, probably for E3 too.
Tenacious-V
Thinks his PR is better than yours.
Yeah who knows, the mini 360 may not even exist. It's not official or anything. It just looked like an odd place to have a single USB port.
It might be the same as how the Original X360 HDD attached, where it didn't go the full length.
Maybe they intend that to be used for expanded storage through thumbdrive or external HDD?
edit: although if it were me, I'd use a rear port for that...
infiniteheteroskdasticity
Member
As someone that covers gaming for a financial institution this was a very interesting afternoon to be sure. Microsoft just made some pretty big bets and nobody on the business side I've spoken to seems to think they were the right ones. Some of the gains in Sony's shares this afternoon were a direct result of that. The most worried people on the planet right now need to be Sony's logistics/supply chain people.
I'm personally pretty underwhelmed by what was shown and more importantly by the 'vision' shown. The dream of a "singularity device" has been around for aeons and there's a reason nobody's been able to get there. We like our separate devices. We like our tablets for causal browsing, our pcs for working and our consoles for gaming because we don't have to compromise anywhere. They are not mutually exclusive. I had initially hoped the Yukon rumors were true and that MSFT would show two devices today. That way we'd have had a powerful console for gamers and a separate lighter 'apps' box that would do everything else and could be refreshed every other year to keep up with changing TV viewing habits. Instead we got what seems to be a poorly focused console that had to be seriously underpowered relative to its main gaming competition to bundle in a lot of functionality that is of unproven value, especially in the non US markets where all the growth is going to be. Core gamers will find the PS4 superior, the TV features you can get with a much cheaper Roku box or Apple TV that you can upgrade every year, Samsung smart TVs already come with the gesture based control schemes and tablets from Apple etc are better fits for casual gamers.
I actually started off working for MS back when the 360 was in development before I went to b school. Back then people like J Allard really knew what they were doing. In contrast, the xBox One sounds like it was designed by a very varied focus group. The one thing that really bugs me about the hardware design is the fact that it is underpowered because they had to sacrifice die space for embedded RAM and move engines. They had to do that because they wanted 8GB of memory which (they thought) would have to mean DDR3. They wanted 8GB of RAM because they had to have that to support all the non gaming stuff they planned to do. Essentially the entire design appears to have been driven, and eventually compromised on the altar of having your xBox put a green skin on the TV guide. In contrast, Sony admitted they were wrong with the PS3, hired Mark Cerny (who is a true legend in the industry if you are old enough) and designed the PS4. Is all the OS/TV stuff shown today cool? Absolutely. Is it worth sacrificing performance over in something that still is a gaming console? Absolutely not.
Finally shame on both MS (with EA and COD) and Sony (with Ubisoft) for falling for the exclusive content/DLC scam the publishers run. You're both wasting your shareholders money on stuff that has been proven to not sell significantly more hardware. If it isn't a significantly timed/fully exclusive AAA title, it is pointless.
I'm personally pretty underwhelmed by what was shown and more importantly by the 'vision' shown. The dream of a "singularity device" has been around for aeons and there's a reason nobody's been able to get there. We like our separate devices. We like our tablets for causal browsing, our pcs for working and our consoles for gaming because we don't have to compromise anywhere. They are not mutually exclusive. I had initially hoped the Yukon rumors were true and that MSFT would show two devices today. That way we'd have had a powerful console for gamers and a separate lighter 'apps' box that would do everything else and could be refreshed every other year to keep up with changing TV viewing habits. Instead we got what seems to be a poorly focused console that had to be seriously underpowered relative to its main gaming competition to bundle in a lot of functionality that is of unproven value, especially in the non US markets where all the growth is going to be. Core gamers will find the PS4 superior, the TV features you can get with a much cheaper Roku box or Apple TV that you can upgrade every year, Samsung smart TVs already come with the gesture based control schemes and tablets from Apple etc are better fits for casual gamers.
I actually started off working for MS back when the 360 was in development before I went to b school. Back then people like J Allard really knew what they were doing. In contrast, the xBox One sounds like it was designed by a very varied focus group. The one thing that really bugs me about the hardware design is the fact that it is underpowered because they had to sacrifice die space for embedded RAM and move engines. They had to do that because they wanted 8GB of memory which (they thought) would have to mean DDR3. They wanted 8GB of RAM because they had to have that to support all the non gaming stuff they planned to do. Essentially the entire design appears to have been driven, and eventually compromised on the altar of having your xBox put a green skin on the TV guide. In contrast, Sony admitted they were wrong with the PS3, hired Mark Cerny (who is a true legend in the industry if you are old enough) and designed the PS4. Is all the OS/TV stuff shown today cool? Absolutely. Is it worth sacrificing performance over in something that still is a gaming console? Absolutely not.
Finally shame on both MS (with EA and COD) and Sony (with Ubisoft) for falling for the exclusive content/DLC scam the publishers run. You're both wasting your shareholders money on stuff that has been proven to not sell significantly more hardware. If it isn't a significantly timed/fully exclusive AAA title, it is pointless.
Sounds like it, doesn't the new controller use Wifi Direct?
Chaplain
Member
Could you please elaborate further on your "Sony's logistics/supply chain" comment.
Dead Prince
Banned
just got home and trying to watch the video on xbox.com. why does it not let me pause without restarting the video? ;(
dr. apocalipsis
Banned
So the left side of the Xbox seems like a perfect spot to snap in the "mini X360" considering the differences between the left/right sides, full grated opening, and lone USB port.
It looks like a good place to charge the controller, since there is no front USB.
Sounds like he is saying that the PS4 is going to be so popular their only problem is going to be making enough of them.
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