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[Raven77]

So basically you can go to a friends and play but THIS STILL PUTS GAMESTOP IN A REAL BAD SPOT!

 

[dallow_bg]

So there's no point to even have the game discs.

Just get rid of them MS.

 

[oVerde]

Sony is the next to "fuck up" along with Microsoft. EA didn't just drop the online pass on all future titles because only one of the next gen systems was implementing it at the hardware level. PS4 is next. Have fun people.

As I said before, we all heard "We'll let them go first" from Sony.
So MS is having all the bad PR first, and then Sony just do the same, avoiding this fucked up situation like a boss.

 

[captmcblack]

Can games run without being installed?

 

[RatskyWatsky]

So still no lending or renting.

See, that's an instant dealbreaker for me. I can't afford to purchase every game that I play - lending and renting have gotten me (and my friends) through most of this generation - and not being able to do that next gen (at least on Xbox One) is just huge. What a clusterfuck. Ugh.

 

[eso76]

so we can make a NEOGAF account and share it.

We will then be able to download and play every game on our xbox one's ?

One purchase = 14k users !

still not interested.

Sorry Dan, sorry T10, Lucid, Remedy, Rare.
I might. MIGHT buy your games to support you, but i won't be able to play them.

 

[louiedog]

So there's no point to even have the game discs.

Just get rid of them MS.

I guess you haven't been in the always online threads. A lot of people still have 3 Mbit DSL. They don't want to play Tuesday releases on Friday when they finish downloading.

 

[DR3AM]

what if i share my xbox with my brother? we have 2 accounts

 

[Blue Ninja]

Can games run without being installed?

Apparently not.

 

[FoneBone]

So there's no point to even have the game discs.

Just get rid of them MS.

They'd probably like to, but high-speed broadband isn't nearly widespread enough to make that feasible.

 

[User Name Here]

This IS NOT like now... do you know to read?

I can lend a game to a friend today and he can play whenever he want.

With this system, that's impossible.

Not mentioning selling the game... very confussing...

You can't do that anymore of course. He/she would have to sign into your account to play the game if they didn't want to pay.

 

[sangreal]

Can games run without being installed?

No

 

[Ponn]

yeah. I don't think my friends are generous enough to give me their profile details unwatched..lol

And if you let someone borrow your account to play your game and they get perma banned you just lost all your games and turned your discs into coasters.

Dont bad mouth Bioware on their boards.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

Treating physical content like digital content is very scary. We're in for a wild ride guys.

 

[Meus Renaissance]

No? Once you're in your account on your friend's Xbox you'd be able to install the game using the disc.

So, they'd have to remain signed into your account to play the game? Wow, that's even more ridiculous.

 

[lenovox1]

what if i share my xbox with my brother? we have 2 accounts

It'll probably be a Wii U situation. Meaning everyone on the same machine will probably be able to share games.

 

[dallow_bg]

I guess you haven't been in the always online threads. A lot of people still have 3 Mbit DSL. They don't want to play Tuesday releases on Friday when they finish downloading.

They'd probably like to, but high-speed broadband isn't nearly widespread enough to make that feasible.

That is true, and probably why pre-loading has become such a popular feature.

 

[LQX]

But can you leave the game at your friend and allow him to play it?

 

[strata8]

So, they'd have to remain signed into your account to play the game? Wow, that's even more ridiculous.

Just like every other DD system on the planet.

 

[Of All Trades]

Xbox One has to be online once every 24h if you want to play a single player game - Steam can be in offline mode indefinitely.

When did Steam change to allow offline mode to be indefinite?

 

[dallow_bg]

But can you leave the game at your friend and allow him to play it?

Yes, if you leave your account logged in.

Just like every other DD system on the planet.

Yup, except with retail discs... ugh

 

[Darkmakaimura]

But can you leave the game at your friend and allow him to play it?

If he stays logged in your account.

I'm gonna make a wild speculation though that if you sign in to your account on one Xbox One, it will sign you out on the other.

 

[China Dont Care]

Same thing that we have now.

 

[Officerrob]

Just like every other DD system on the planet.

Except we are talking about physical discs

 

[Hellsing321]

So basically if I want to loan my friend a game I have to loan them all my games? I assume I can't have my account signed in to two different systems at the same time.

 

[dallow_bg]

Same thing that we have now.

You're thinking XBLA and other digital games.

We're talking about retail discs.

So basically if I want to loan my friend a game I have to loan them all my games? I assume I can't have my account signed in to two different systems at the same time.

You'll kick each other out.

 

[strata8]

Yup, except with retail discs...

Except we are talking about physical discs

So this would be perfectly fine if discs weren't sold at all? I said it before, but the discs are just dummies to store game data and initially activate the game, exactly like Steam games sold in retail. Everything else is entirely digital otherwise.

 

[Officerrob]

So basically if I want to loan my friend a game I have to loan them all my games? I assume I can't have my account signed in to two different systems at the same time.

What do you think?

 

[Circle T]

This is a full-stop deal-breaker for me. I borrow/swap games with my friends A LOT, so this pretty much kills any possibility of me getting a XOne. If this is the way the industry is headed, I guess they just don't want us as customers. Fine by me, I guess. I have more $$$ to spend on other things now.

 

[ultron87]

I guess treating physical discs and downloadable games as the exact same thing was pretty much an inevitability. I'm shocked they are going so far with it.

 

[dallow_bg]

So this would be perfectly fine if discs weren't sold at all? I said it before, but the discs are just dummies to store game data and initially activate the game, like Steam games sold in retail. Everything else is entirely digital otherwise.

So that's where we're going with this? haha
Yes, rip consoles.

 

[Grimm Fandango]

Jesus does MS even know One's own limitations? What a mess.

 

[Crazyorloco]

Who wants my passwords? come and get it

 

[Ardenyal]

Lol, you'll have to upload your profile everywhere you go. Lets bring back the VMU!

But you need to sign into XBL to play. What do they use to sign you in? Well kinect of course. So you need to donate life size wax figurines of yourself to your friends so they can play the games they borrow (when you're not online of course)

 

[Nitemare1]

So MS wants you the kids down the street with their xbox id and password to the neighbours so he can show his friends his new game!... What could possibly go wrong!

 

[Yagharek]

what if i share my xbox with my brother? we have 2 accounts

Please understand

 

[RedNumberFive]

What an absolute disaster. I knew MS was completely out of touch with their customers, but they really don't have a clue do they?

 

[Cartman86]

What do you think?

If it's anything like 360 there are ways to game the system. Though not ideal ways. You could put your account on his Xbox, but it would need to be signed into your profile on a second controller so he could use his account and play the game for free/get achievements for himself etc. But yes that would mean if he is signed in on your account then you can't be signed in on your Xbox.

 

[Aretak]

So this would be perfectly fine if discs weren't sold at all?

Not considering the price difference between console games and PC games. People are only okay with Steam because of the amazing prices. Unless you think Microsoft are going to start doing their own massive sales and selling games for five bucks, it's an entirely different situation to digital distribution on the PC.

 

[Camp Lo]

So basically Steam.

Pretty much.

 

[Speedy Blue Dude]

http://majornelson.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-and-used-games/

So the system works EXACTLY as it does now, like I was hoping. Perfect.

 

[Of All Trades]

You're thinking XBLA and other digital games.

We're talking about retail discs.

I bought Dishonored on PC as a retail disc. I'm actually a bit at a loss if any major PC release had a retail disc that wasn't basically a DRM-platform launcher (uplay, origin, steam, gfwl).

 

[Marty Chinn]

So there's no point to even have the game discs.

Just get rid of them MS.

Well, getting rid of the large downloads is a reason.

 

[Ferrio]

So the system works EXACTLY as it does now, like I was hoping. Perfect.

Except it doesn't.

 

[EdibleExplosives]

Pretty much.

Yes, it has the biggest disadvantage to PC gaming and none of the advantages. Fucking hallelujah.

 

[Cartman86]

What an absolute disaster. I knew MS was completely out of touch with their customers, but they really don't have a clue do they?

We don't know who their customers really are. I mean this is anecdotal, but all of my friends who play Call of Duty, Halo, and Borderlands don't care. They are fine with it. Couple that with the All-in-one box thing and the audience they are going for might not be many GAFers, but it could be even more other people. That being said I don't doubt this will console will have all the games that many GAFers do seem to care about. Though the recent indie stuff you'll find on PC (or PS4 maybe) that I really love i'm doubtful of.

 

[Trigger]

what if i share my xbox with my brother? we have 2 accounts

Buy 2 copies.

 

[GSG Flash]

So if said friend likes the game and wants to keep the game for a bit.... fuck said friend?

If I buy a disc, I would like to do whatever the fuck I want with, including giving it out to any friends/relatives/whoever. With the XOne, you don't actually own the game anymore, which is just a load of horseshit. This is all the negatives of digital downloads, without any of the positives.

 

[Dali]

No, Phil said that there is no difference on Xbox One between installing via a disc or online and both will be treated as if it was downloaded. Just like with online titles today, you can install it on any console but the original buyer needs to be online to play it. To remove that restriction, the game needs to be bought again on that console -- just like today. Nobody has ever referred to that as a "pre-owned fee" in the current ecosystem.

But what if you want to bring a game disc to a friend's house and play there? You'll have to pay a fee—and not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that game—in order to use a game's code on a friend's account. Think of it like a new game, Harrison said.

"The bits that are on that disc, you can give it to your friend and they can install it on an Xbox One," he said. "They would then have to purchase the right to play that game through Xbox Live."

"They would be paying the same price we paid, or less?" we asked.

"Let’s assume it’s a new game, so the answer is yes, it will be the same price," Harrison said.

This is the statment Major was clarifying. It's a specific situation that hints if I sold you a physical copy of a game second hand game rather than just wanted to play over a friend's house for a few hours, you'd have to pay full price to actually use the game. That doesn't exist in "the current ecosystem" unless you count online passes, but even those aren't the full price of the game.

 

[Archaix]

So the system works EXACTLY as it does now, like I was hoping. Perfect.

Except for that part where it is implied if your friend isn't signed in to your profile, they need to buy the game to play the borrowed copy.