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[fastford58]

Really Microsoft? It wasn't like that for the 360.

http://majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-1-of-4/

What the fuck. This is...wow.

 

[Fruitster]

Shh! No answers, only clouds now. If the Xbox one had the power advantage over the PS4, Microsoft would shout it from the rooftops.

 

[offshore]

Although he probably could have phrased it better, he didn't really say anything incorrect, did he.

The mass consumer market have never given a crap about power. Never have, never will. All about games and price.

 

[Ol No Bones]

Difference between PS4 / XB1 is larger than PS3 / 360

Not really. Diminishing returns my friend. Though since the ps4 eliminates certain bottlenecks so I think the performance will pull slightly ahead fairly quickly.

 

[ReaperXL7]

One has an additional peripheral while the other doesn't therein lies the reason for the extra $100. Trying to spin it without mentioning that is just wrong.

Allot of people (on gaming forums more so) will ignore it because we largely dont want the "extra" peripheral to begin with. Im curious to know how much of the casual market will fork over another $100 for a camera attachement, when they will see a largely similar game library attached to both consoles.

 

[Alebrije]

“The problem is that Sony decided to go out and publish a bunch of numbers, which are in some ways meaningless,” he said. “Because this isn’t like 1990, when it was 16-bit versus 32-bit.

!

 

[Uno Venova]

Oh look. People criticizing a company for saying their focus is on game development. Shortly after complaining that the same company didn't focus on their games, but focused too much on tech/features.

Must be Friday.

I don't remember them focusing too much on tech.

 

[Marleyman]

I'm still getting a 180, hopefully early next year. Had an O.G. Xbox and a 360 and loved them both. Also had all the other platforms in those generations too. I just buy everything and play as much as I can. During DRMgate was the only time I wasn't going to get a 180. After the turn around I was right back in. I flip-flop my main console so many times throughout a Gen that I can't even tell you my favorite console from any generation except 8 and 16bit (NES and SNES).

I am the same; I flip flop a bunch since the old days. I think I am starting out this gen with the Xbox because the exclusives at launch appeal to me more than what is on the PS4 at first. Thanks for the answer.

 

[coldone]

Microsoft has a culture of boasting about bogus features like Azure Cloud or things copied from OpenGL like "Tiled Textures".

Them being on the back foot confirms the hardware issues they are having.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

GAF? The hearts and minds of gamers? Wimbledon? Dude talks up his product, downplays deficiencies and all was the same.

It is interesting just how much favor MS has lost in the last few years. I can't wait to see how this plays out because although I'll be getting a PS4 first I do love a good underdog story. More expensive, less powerful and a bitter taste from the DRM fiasco. Add in a Sony that isn't missing a beat and the story gets so good it should be a movie.

Damn, everyone is losing Wimbledon this year.

 

[Portugeezer]

Sony gave us meaningful numbers.

Microsoft gave us 5 billion transistors.

They can suck my left one.

 

[flyingmonkeywhoa]

Absolutely; getting one for exclusives and Xbox is for exclusives and multi plat titles. I get much more out of my PS3 lately than my xbox.

You're buying an XB1 for multiplat titles?

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[Takuya]

Absolutely; getting one for exclusives and Xbox is for exclusives and multi plat titles. I get much more out of my PS3 lately than my xbox.

Why would you get the multi plats on Xbone?

 

[Can Crusher]

It's always going to be meaningless if they don't have it.

Last gen they could make a case for it, this gen the power gap is large enough that they can't spin it around.

 

[Marleyman]

Allot of people (on gaming forums more so) will ignore it because we largely dont want the "extra" peripheral to begin with. Im curious to know how much of the casual market will fork over another $100 for a camera attachement, when they will see a largely similar game library attached to both consoles.

You are speculating though; I have seen many in here say they want Kinect. You can be a hardcore gamer and still want it; the convenience of it is a big draw for me. Plus having kids around and Kinect being improved has me intrigued. I think the casual market will be all over it but only time will tell.

 

[Zukuu]

Confirmed witchcraft in xbone.


BRING THE TORCHES!

 

[GregLombardi]

Says the company that led a concerted effort viral marketing campaign against the Wii and its underpowered nature.

 

[Metalmurphy]

Haha, had forgotten about that. Can't get any more meaningless than that.

 

[Alchemist]

Really Microsoft? It wasn't like that for the 360.

http://majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-1-of-4/

Tombstone

 

[dr_rus]

16 bit vs 32 bit was meaningless.
What Sony said about PS4's hardware was as meaningful as it can be.

 

[ElTorro]

“The problem is that Sony decided to go out and publish a bunch of numbers, which are in some ways meaningless,” he said. “Because this isn’t like 1990, when it was 16-bit versus 32-bit.

After saying:

It’s also been stated that the Xbox One is ten times more powerful than the Xbox 360, so we’re effectively 40 times greater than the Xbox 360 in terms of processing capabilities [using the cloud]. If you look to the cloud as something that is no doubt going to evolve and grow over time, it really spells out that there’s no limit to where the processing power of Xbox One can go. I think that’s a very exciting proposition, not only for Australians, but anyone else who’s going to pick up the Xbox One console.

What a hypocrite.

 

[jwk94]

Really Microsoft? It wasn't like that for the 360.

http://majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-1-of-4/

I can't believe they actually did that...

 

[TheJollyCorner]

I am the same; I flip flop a bunch since the old days. I think I am starting out this gen with the Xbox because the exclusives at launch appeal to me more than what is on the PS4 at first. Thanks for the answer.

I've never once seen you flip-flop on the X1, dude.
You've been spinnin' like Marley's been tokin'.

Embrace your fandom.

 

[Marleyman]

Why would you get the multi plats on Xbone?

Most of my family, friends game on the 360 and aren't switching so I will stick with them for this upcoming gen. I also enjoyed the overall online experience much more with the 360.

 

[Leucrota]

Few people I have ever talked to understand the hardware, nor do they care which system is 'stronger'. The people who argue about which one is stronger will just come up with some BS reasons why their prefered console is stronger anyway since they don't know what they are talking about.

GAF is the 1% in caring about the hardware.

 

[Takuya]

Haha, had forgotten about that. Can't get any more meaningless than that.

To be fair, the whole presentation was a meaningless sham.

 

[Bedlam]

Man, this gen is going to be great fun if MS execs don't learn to shut their mouths. *crosses fingers*

 

[kaching]

One has an additional peripheral while the other doesn't therein lies the reason for the extra $100.

Which would be part of doing a hardware analysis, that is entirely meaningless according to MS.

Trying to spin it without mentioning that is just wrong.

The irony.

 

[jaypah]

I am the same; I flip flop a bunch since the old days. I think I am starting out this gen with the Xbox because the exclusives at launch appeal to me more than what is on the PS4 at first. Thanks for the answer.

No problem! The only downside to liking all of your consoles is that you can come off as a fanboy depending on what thread you're in. Current Gen I went past the trifecta and got accused of being a PS, Xbox, Nintendo and PC fanboy on different occasions

 

[woolley]

I don't really think he's wrong in his opinion. Most people don't really care which one has better specs and even less people understand what they specs even mean. While it might be a point of discussion before they launch the large majority of people will choose a console based off the games and not which system they perceive to be more powerful.

 

[Wynnebeck]

What a hypocrite.

Nah bro, you're just attacking MS for no reason!

 

[Marleyman]

I've never once seen you flip-flop on the X1, dude.
You've been spinning like Marley's been toking.

Embrace your fandom.

When they announced what they did I was definitely against it; never said I wouldn't get it but wasn't happy with the direction they were going. Check my history if you like; fuck labels though. I enjoy games and will play the shit out of exclusives on the PS4 just like I did on the PS3.

 

[Uno Venova]

I don't really think he's wrong in his opinion. Most people don't really care which one has better specs and even less people understand what they specs even mean. While it might be a point of discussion before they launch the large majority of people will choose a console based off the games and not which system they perceive to be more powerful.

The context is what makes this statement funny. Few people actually disagree with games meaning much more than specs.

 

[test_account]

He is absolutely right that the software/games is what matters the most, but the hardware itself is what makes the games possible in the first place. More powerful hardware can affect the games themself, so its not 100% trivial. He also mention stuff that indicates that me mean that the Xbox One hardware is better (custom parts VS off-shelf parts (which i dont think is the case for the PS4, at least i dont think every part is just off-shelf parts), and he also mention "magic" and "power of the cloud", which are things that are hardware related.

 

[Commanche Raisin Toast]

Putting words in Sony's mouth saying they are off the shelf parts?

He's been reading too much GAF, out rather, too little. It's been debunked plenty of times that they aren't literally off the shelf. Plus MS is using the same AMD tech but tweaked slightly and are passing it off as completely custom.

 

[Marleyman]

No problem! The only downside to liking all of your consoles is that you can come off as a fanboy depending on what thread you're in. Current Gen I went past the trifecta and got accused of being a PS, Xbox, Nintendo and PC fanboy on different occasions

Of course. That is the nature of forums so we just have to deal with it.

 

[Can Crusher]

What a hypocrite.

I love how the Cloud is used as a 30x multiplier.

 

[Arnie]

I will wait to see the difference between third party games before deciding on which one to buy.

If the difference between the on paper specs appears in such a comparison, then I'll go with the PS4.

 

[SummitAve]

Meaningless to me. How games look, act, and perform is far more dependent on who is developing and designing the games than the difference between types of RAM.

 

[guch20]

Xbone me if old:
Xbox product planning boss Albert Penello feels that hardware analysis is “meaningless” because it’s all about the games.

Speaking with OXM, Penello said there are very few gamers who will buy consoles for the specs alone, so there is no sense in comparing Xbox One and PS4.

“The problem is that Sony decided to go out and publish a bunch of numbers, which are in some ways meaningless,” he said. “Because this isn’t like 1990, when it was 16-bit versus 32-bit.

“As a matter of fact, they actually go out and they talk about how proud they are about their off-the-shelf parts. Our guys’ll say, we touched every single component in the box and everything there is tweaked for optimum performance. For me, I’d rather not even have the conversation, because it’s not going to matter.

“The box is going to be awesome. The games are going to be awesome. I heard this exact same argument last generation and it’s a pointless argument, because people are debating things which they don’t know about. They’re not [head silicon engineer] Nick Baker or [corporate vice president of IEB hardware Todd Holmdahl], and I’m not [lead PS4 architect] Mark Cerny, so why are we having this discussion?”

Penello feels consumers will pick a console for the games it offers, rather than for its capabilities on paper. "Here's what you care about," he said. "You bought a system to play great games and have great experiences. I feel like our games and experiences are going to be every bit as good, if not better, technically - on top of all the magic we're going to add with the instant switching, and the power of the cloud.

That clowd powa!

Thanks for telling me what I care about. Where would I be without you informing me of my opinion?

Jesus, the cockiness if these people. Like hardware specs have nothing to do with how beautiful and immersive a game can be. For a guy who thinks numbers are "meaningless," he sure seems obsessed with them.

And then to bring up "cloud magic" (I can't believe he actually referred to it as magic). That's when you lost the argument, Penello.

 

[hawk2025]

I will wait to see the difference between third party games before deciding on which one to buy.

If the difference between the on paper specs appears in such a comparison, then I'll go with the PS4.

You should probably wait a year after release, then. There's little reason to believe it will show up on early, cross-gen games.

 

[coldone]

Well said. MS PR is the most bogus when it comes to tech talk.

http://blog.cloudharmony.com/2013/06/value-of-the-cloud-cpu-performance.html

Microsoft Azure is a simple CPU farm. A normal VM is only 25 Mega flops.

To get 40x more power, they need to assign 500VM for each Xbone. They only are going to build 300,000 servers ?. Where will they host all those millions of VMs

After saying:



What a hypocrite.

 

[JawzPause]

Not really. Diminishing returns my friend. Though since the ps4 eliminates certain bottlenecks so I think the performance will pull slightly ahead fairly quickly.

I think from day 1 you will see a substantial difference between the consoles on multiplatform titles, hence the larger difference between them.

 

[Marleyman]

And then to bring up "cloud magic" (I can't believe he actually referred to it as magic). That's when you lost the argument, Penello.

He didn't; re-read it. He did say "the magic of instant switching."

 

[DragonSworne]

He sounds like Iwata

 

[JHall]

You're buying an XB1 for multiplat titles?

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Lowest common denominator.

When designing for multiplatform you have to make sure the game can run on all platforms. Which means it will be designed and built for the least powerful system first and foremost. Then ported up.

A great example for this gen is Skyrim. Built for the 360 first then ported up to the PS3, which ran like hot garbage.

 

[Crawl]

Its meaningless when your console is the least powerful one, but when its the most powerful device its a "game changer."

 

[Arnie]

You should probably wait a year after release, then. There's little reason to believe it will show up on early, cross-gen games.

I'm sure I will wait.

The first one I'm interested in is Battlefield 4. Both will be targeting 60fps and 1080p, but it'll be interesting to see if the Xbox One has to turn some bells and whistles off to achieve it.

 

[Crawl]

Lowest common denominator.

When designing for multiplatform you have to make sure the game can run on all platforms. Which means it will be designed and built for the least powerful system first and foremost. Then ported up.

A great example for this gen is Skyrim. Built for the 360 first then ported up to the PS3, which ran like hot garbage.

Nope. More like PC versions are being made and they can use those extra touches / features on the console version. They can scale accordingly down to consoles as well PC > PS4 > Xbone.

 

[DragonSworne]

Lowest common denominator.

When designing for multiplatform you have to make sure the game can run on all platforms. Which means it will be designed and built for the least powerful system first and foremost. Then ported up.

A great example for this gen is Skyrim. Built for the 360 first then ported up to the PS3, which ran like hot garbage.

That won't apply with PS4 and Xbone . Their architecture is so similar that developers can simple build a PS4 model and down port it to xbone .