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[jufonuk]

3DS level turn around pleaseNintendo, do it!!

Then I will think about getting a Wii U

 

[fart town usa]

It's insane to think of how poorly this machine is doing, yet all the potentially fantastic Nintendo games we could get out of it.

For anyone saying they should cancel the Wii U and create something new(and stronger), how do you suppose they do that?

At the very earliest, the new console would launch in Q4 2015 probably. Do they push all of the Wii U games they have in development back to launch with the new machine, or do they continue releasing them on their dead console in the meantime?

Yea, makes no sense to release a new console. Nintendo needs to get off their high horse and make some damn games in a timely manner. This snails pace release cycle for rehashes and remakes is absolutely pathetic.

 

[Snowden's Secret]

Which is nonsense since most of those games also launched on other platforms. It's called competition. Most of those game probably didn't sell that much, but you'd expect the four best selling games of 2012 (AC3, CoD, Fifa, Madden) to become bestsellers on the Wii U too. Never happened.

Why? All four of those launched later on Wii U. There's only two types of people that those games would sell to:

Wii-only owners that upgraded to Wii U and are also interested in those games but not interested enough to have picked up a PS3/360 in the last eight years

Wii U owners that own other consoles but the desire to play them on Wii U (for whatever reason) trumped playing them earlier or on more robust online networks.

I'm going to hazard that the first demo is almost non-existant, and the second rather small.

That said, there's no reason ZombiU, an original exclusive, should have sold poorly, so poo-poo on everyone involved.

 

[sonic moob]

What a damn shame. All that hard work, producing a good game, they should be rewarded for it. What a mess the WiiU is atm.

 

[Snowden's Secret]

Also, I read the OP and the article linked up and down, but couldn't find any direct quotes from Guillemot. Does anyone have them?

The quotes in the thread title are filtered through the voice of the article author, I'd like to know what Guillemot said himself.

 

[69wpm]

Also, I read the OP and the article linked up and down, but couldn't find any direct quotes from Guillemot. Does anyone have them?

The quotes in the thread title are filtered through the voice of the article author, I'd like to know what Guillemot said himself.

That is the whole problem with the article. It has no credibility whatsoever without a direct quote. And there is none.

 

[Enlil]

I think it's wrong for mr Moore to say all these things. He promised to back Nintendo and he didn't. No wonder no one is online.

The console needs games mister Moore.

I don't understand why Nintendo isn't pissed at these guy's (yeah I know they need them to make games, but then again, I would have been pised)

 

[akidnamededdy]

I studied journalism in college, and there's a rule that says that everytime you paraphrase something, you put the corresponding quote afterwards to back it up. you can see that they use that rule with the Activision and EA guys, but in the case of Ubisoft, there isn't a real quote, just the paraphrasis of the journalist. The only Ubisoft quote there is the one that it says that they are gonna wait for the holidays to evaluate the situation. There's nothing there about ZombiU or Rayman, except the journalist assumptions.

I'm not saying he's lying or something, but I find it pretty weird that he has direct quotes from the other two guys, and not the Ubisoft guy.

Bachelor's + master's degrees in journalism here and yeah, there's definitely something murky about the citation in the article. While I don't want to say they're lying or being sensationalist, this IS the games journalism industry we're talking about.

On the other hand, I'm not trying to say the Wii U is doing just fine, either.

the wii u is just going to be nintendo and platinum games eh?

You say this like it would be a bad thing.

 

[Amir0x]

Well, who would buy a console with such poor third-party support?

People who like Nintendo games. As is the trademarked answer.

Especially with this lineup for the fall

Rayman
Watch Dogs
Splinter Cell
Assassin's Creed

I hate to say it, but Ubisoft for some people has a better lineup for Wii U than Nintendo.

Hopefully this will put to rest the idea that if third parties only tried, they'd find magical success on Nintendo platforms. Some of them tried on Wii; they mostly failed. Some of them tried on Wii U; they failed.

The ecosystem for the games Nintendo offers seems to simply be out of sync for the greater industry at large and for many consumers... and it's clear now that while the Wii seemed like a good idea at the time, it had unintended consequences. Like how Nintendo wasn't prepared for the HD generation still, and now let the system languish for a year. Or how the previous HD gen was making everyone exhausted of it after eight years, and now Wii U is just entering into that realm technologically and everyone has already moved on.

And now the third party situation just gets worse... we're looking at a system that might end up after the first year to have the worst third party situation yet for Nintendo.

It's tough. Beyond tough.

If Nintendo's games flop this holiday (doubtful) than they have no choice but to pretty much VB Wii U. However if they bring in a nice profit like Gamecube Nintendo software and the hardware continues to fail they just focus more 3DS to make profits while waiting out this gen and building their teams and a strong arsenal of 3rd party partners for next gen launches. I hoped that with the death of the mid level game Nintendo could have a big chance to do something in that space, but I guess not this gen. There will definitely be some developers like Media Molecule floating around this gen and Nintendo has to be more aggressive in seeking out talent and fostering it and not just on their own IP.

They're not going to flop, at least not in the traditional sense, but are they going to be relegated to 700-900k sales figures? NSMB is easily one of Nintendo's biggest franchises ever, and as you can see it didn't push the Wii U to any unprecedented heights. Will 3D Mario - which have sold considerably worse than 2D Mario - another Mario Kart and their other fall games really be enough to change this situation in any appreciable way?

 

[Stumpokapow]

As for what Nintendo should have done 6 months ago was create 2-3 "porting" studios (much like what MS created for their Minecraft version)

MS didn't create a porting studio for Minecraft. They hired 4J Studios, an independent studio that worked on a dozen previous titles, original and ports, to work on it.

I think it's wrong for mr Moore to say all these things. He promised to back Nintendo and he didn't. No wonder no one is online.

The console needs games mister Moore.

What did "mr Moore" promise?

 

[defrag]

ZombiU was also an incredibly buggy game at launch. There were 3-4 totally game breaking bugs glitches. I had to restart twice due to the infamous "nursery glitch".

Despite all that, I really do love the game warts and all. But I can totally see how it didn't sell well. Glitchy as all get out, no recognizable brand, an increasinly niche genre (I live for survival horror but lets be honest, its been a long time since the golden days), etc. etc. Not only that but I have a sneaking suspicion that the change in direction mid development (killer freaks to zombies) indicates that the project went over budget and had many growing pains. So the break even point was likely wildly unrealistic.

 

[ymmv]

Why? All four of those launched later on Wii U.

It's such a nonsense argument. Do you expect me believe that all Wii U owners also have a PS3 and/or 360 at home and will therefore have skipped the biggest holiday titles of 2012 for the Wii U?

Yes, it may be true of a subsection of the Nintendo fans who picked up a Wii U during the holidays, but I suspect most of those Wii U buyers are either hardcore Nintendo fans or families buying a Christmas present. And for most of those Wii U buyers Fifa, Madden, AC3 and Call of Duty:BO2 would have been brand new titles. The reason those titles didn't sell was not because they were late, but because Nintendo fans only buy Nintendo games for a Nintendo console.

I fully expect the forthcoming AC, Fifa, Madden and CoD games for the 2013 holiday season to sell very, very well on the PS4 and Xbone.

 

[prwxv3]

People who like Nintendo games. As is the trademarked answer.



Hopefully this will put to rest the idea that if third parties only tried, they'd find magical success on Nintendo platforms. Some of them tried on Wii; they mostly failed. Some of them tried on Wii U; they failed.

The ecosystem for the games Nintendo offers seems to simply be out of sync for the greater industry at large and for many consumers... and it's clear now that while the Wii seemed like a good idea at the time, it had unintended consequences. Like how Nintendo wasn't prepared for the HD generation still, and now let the system languish for a year. Or how the previous HD gen was making everyone exhausted of it after eight years, and now Wii U is just entering into that realm technologically and everyone has already moved on.

And now the third party situation just gets worse... we're looking at a system that might end up after the first year to have the worst third party situation yet for Nintendo.

It's tough. Beyond tough.



They're not going to flop, at least not in the traditional sense, but are they going to be relegated to 700-900k sales figures? NSMB is easily one of Nintendo's biggest franchises ever, and as you can see it didn't push the Wii U to any unprecedented heights. Will 3D Mario - which have sold considerably worse than 2D Mario - another Mario Kart and their other fall games really be enough to change this situation in any appreciable way?

Mario Kart comes out next year

 

[StevieP]

It's no surprise after Nintendo chose a mini-game collection and a Wii-enhanced game (which looks like a DS game) as their flagship titles at a price tag of 350$.

Too bad about ZombiU sales, it was by far, the best WiiU offering at launch.

So now NSMBU looks like a DS game. Gotcha.
I wonder how long it's going to take to look like a Colecovision game.

 

[Mpl90]

If the situation goes on and on like this, you can already know what's going to be next Nintendo's home console: a device that receives signal from the next gen handheld and outputs it on TV, in order to play games on the big screen, using the portable console (and its screens) as a controller. A Wii U reversed. Handheld and device sold separately at launch, then starting being bundled one year after launch.

 

[Pie and Beans]

That is the whole problem with the article. It has no credibility whatsoever without a direct quote. And there is none.

Also, I read the OP and the article linked up and down, but couldn't find any direct quotes from Guillemot. Does anyone have them?

The quotes in the thread title are filtered through the voice of the article author, I'd like to know what Guillemot said himself.

GI.biz isn't going to slander their interviewee to that extent, so the information presented is straight from the horses mouth. The article is presented as an article and not the Q+A form where we hear the interviewers questions, but the facts remain regardless what was asked:

- ZombiU was not profitable (Not even close)
- No plans (or even desire) for a sequel.
- Because of [ZombiU's] performance, Ubisoft decided to make Rayman Legends a multiplatform game

If you need to hear if the interviewer's end where he asked "was ZombiU profitable?" or "is this why you put Rayman Legends on other systems?" then you're both grasping at straws to invalidate bad news you don't want to hear.

MS didn't create a porting studio for Minecraft. They hired 4J Studios, an independent studio that worked on a dozen previous titles, original and ports, to work on it.

I keep forgetting they did Oblivion for PS3 way back when. All their XBLA port stuff just made me think of them as an MS studio for so long. Good useage on MS's part though. Same with Bluepoint and other studios that've been used for HD Remasters and the like this gen.

 

[KageMaru]

I think it's wrong for mr Moore to say all these things. He promised to back Nintendo and he didn't. No wonder no one is online.

The console needs games mister Moore.

I don't understand why Nintendo isn't pissed at these guy's (yeah I know they need them to make games, but then again, I would have been pised)

Why would anyone be mad at Mr. Moore or EA? They use Madden as an example. I'm guessing Madden on the Wii-U wasn't the best port to begin with? Thing is, the vast vast vast majority of gamers don't pay enough attention to internet forums or news to really know what the differences are. They voted based on the platform preference or what their friends are playing online. None of this has anything to do with the quality of the ports on the Wii-U.

 

[metalslimer]

If the situation goes on and on like this, you can already know what's going to be next Nintendo's home console: a device that receives signal from the next gen handheld and outputs it on TV, in order to play games on the big screen, using the portable console (and its screens) as a controller. A Wii U reversed. Handheld and device sold separately at launch, then starting being bundled one year after launch.

If Wii U is profitable in the end, Nintendo will make another console. Until that profit runs dry they won't consolidate.

Edit: The bad port argument really needs to go away as if everyone who bought a wii u is the most discerning customer. Shit games and bad ports sell well all the time. Hell you can look back at the wii for all the shovelwhare that did great. Hell you watch the PS4/Xbone launch games will be buggy and glitch filled as well and they will likely still sell just like how most launch games have issues because they are time constrained. Not to mention Nintendo fucking up with the Wii U dev kits.

 

[anon_mastermind]

Should have had DLC... I would have paid for new melee weapons...

 

[KillerMan91]

The hardest problem is that it's a catch 22. For Nintendo to cultivate that audience on their platforms they need to have a good amount of 3rd party support to get people interested, but 3rd parties aren't going to invest in such an unstable ecosystem. So does Nintendo have to pay for every single port then? It's become a cycle at this point that seems very hard to break

It has actually baffled me why Nintendo hasn't opened across the generations more western first party studios to make western games? Sure Mario and the other traditional stuff are the biggest sellers but it really wouldn't hurt to have similar games like Sony and MS. It's those games that draw so called core gamers to the platform that also buy stuff that western third parties make. Nintendo is really too Japanese for their own good.

 

[Log4Girlz]

I wonder when third parties will consider Wii U completely dead. Watchdogs sales will be interesting to see.

 

[metalslimer]

I wonder when third parties will consider Wii U completely dead. Watchdogs sales will be interesting to see.

John Harker said Ubisoft is watching Splinter Cell very closely.

They're not going to flop, at least not in the traditional sense, but are they going to be relegated to 700-900k sales figures? NSMB is easily one of Nintendo's biggest franchises ever, and as you can see it didn't push the Wii U to any unprecedented heights. Will 3D Mario - which have sold considerably worse than 2D Mario - another Mario Kart and their other fall games really be enough to change this situation in any appreciable way?

Selling Gamecube numbers would be a huge boost for the track Wii U is on right now so yes I think their will be a big boost but the Gamecube still sold terribly in the end. 700-900k sales for 3D World and Dk would be pretty big flops in my eyes.

 

[thefro]

It's such a nonsense argument. Do you expect me believe that all Wii U owners also have a PS3 and/or 360 at home and will therefore have skipped the biggest holiday titles of 2012 for the Wii U?

Yes, it may be true of a subsection of the Nintendo fans who picked up a Wii U during the holidays, but I suspect most of those Wii U buyers are either hardcore Nintendo fans or families buying a Christmas present. And for most of those Wii U buyers Fifa, Madden, AC3 and Call of Duty:BO2 would have been brand new titles. The reason those titles didn't sell was not because they were late, but because Nintendo fans only buy Nintendo games for a Nintendo console.

Core Nintendo fans who would buy a Wii U at launch = multi-console owners. Lot of early adopters in that group.

I bought a PS3 for $199 with Uncharted 1 & 2, Infamous 1 & 2 instead of buying a Wii U last year (and I'd call myself a Nintendo fan). Couldn't justify the Wii U with the current price and game lineup.

 

[Mpl90]

If Wii U is profitable in the end, Nintendo will make another console. Until that profit runs dry they won't consolidate.

Edit: The bad port argument really needs to go away as if everyone who bought a wii u is the most discerning customer. Shit games and bad ports sell well all the time. Hell you can look back at the wii for all the shovelwhare that did great

IIRC, one of the insiders here on Gaf said that Epic Mickey 2 sold better on Wii U than on PS3 and 360.
Yes, THAT Epic Mickey 2, the game that goes to 15-10fps where even the Wii SKU run smoothly :lol

EDIT: And now that I think about it, it was during the GB's Wii U Launch Quick Look that I saw that, so much sadness for what happened to Ryan

 

[StevieP]

Why would anyone be mad at Mr. Moore or EA? They use Madden as an example. I'm guessing Madden on the Wii-U wasn't the best port to begin with? .

It was more or less Madden 12 with new rosters, and without any of the new physics features/engine. Without the spectacle of improved graphics to make people forget their buying an inferior product. Full price.

John Harker said Ubisoft is watching Splinter Cell very closely.

I don't think SC BL is going to do well on any platform, so... bye bye Ubisoft.

 

[Pie and Beans]

I wonder when third parties will consider Wii U completely dead. Watchdogs sales will be interesting to see.

I think its now, they've got the PS4 and Xbone to graduate to, and they see even more detailed NPD stuff than we do of course.

They're locked into their second wave and cross-gen stuff for this holiday, but I don't think anyone expects miracles. As such, even if the WiiU became the hard plastic box equivalent of cocaine overnight, there'll be a 2 year lull between support due to no-one okaying new projects for it right now or since earlier this year and by that point WiiU will be at the end of its short and disastrous 4-5 year lifespan.

 

[SolidSnakex]

I wonder when third parties will consider Wii U completely dead. Watchdogs sales will be interesting to see.

UBI's said that after this holiday they're going to re-evaluate the console. So, Nintendo's looking at a very critical period over the next few months. That price drop needs to happen and they need to hope that their upcoming lineup catches on like they think it will.

 

[Soler]

Ugh.. these are one if the reasons why I have a love hate relationship with Ubisoft. One minute, they defend the crap out of a system, the next day, they talk hella crap. Why? Just super why? Seriously.


On the other hand, Nintendo needs to grow up. I'll say this... I'm tired of Nintendo fans always defending Nintendo bad business choices. Sure, they have been the most innovative out the two but innovation is nothing when the output becomes useless. Everyone could go on talking about how everyone copies Nintendo but in some ways, regardless of copying, they always do so well without it.. I'm tired of the Nintendoom articles but come on... this is tiresome to hear the same issues all the time with every Nintendo system.

There are no insults here? It's just him saying its not profitable

 

[metalslimer]

I think its now, they've got the PS4 and Xbone to graduate to, and they see even more detailed NPD stuff than we do of course.

They're locked into their second wave and cross-gen stuff for this holiday, but I don't think anyone expects miracles. As such, even if the WiiU became the hard plastic box equivalent of cocaine overnight, there'll be a 2 year lull between support due to no-one okaying new projects for it right now or since earlier this year and by that point WiiU will be at the end of its short and disastrous 4-5 year lifespan.

Well don't forget it would be ports Wii U would be getting not new games. If Wii U actually took off we would probably just end up seeing old PS3/360 ports and a couple of downgraded PS4/Xbone games from Ubisoft. So it wouldn't be2 years before you started seeing games, probably more like a year or less. Look at Vita in Japan. Because of the PS3 ports and PSP ports its lineup got much better faster than it normally would take

 

[Snowden's Secret]

GI.biz isn't going to slander their interviewee to that extent, so the information presented is straight from the horses mouth. The article is presented as an article and not the Q+A form where we hear the interviewers questions, but the facts remain regardless what was asked:

- ZombiU was not profitable (Not even close)
- No plans (or even desire) for a sequel.
- Because of [ZombiU's] performance, Ubisoft decided to make Rayman Legends a multiplatform game

If you need to hear if the interviewer's end where he asked "was ZombiU profitable?" or "is this why you put Rayman Legends on other systems?" then you're both grasping at straws to invalidate bad news you don't want to hear.

I'm not saying he didn't say those things. But I do want to know exactly what and how he said them, because that's important too. And if it were "straight from the horses mouth" as you put it, there would be a direct quote (just as I directly quoted you there).

And who said anything about invalidating anything, pretty aggressive there, sport. I don't think wanting to see exactly what he said, versus the informal lens of the article author, is anything out of left field.

 

[Vermillion]

I need to stop buying Nintendo consoles before Kirby games are announced. This day 1 shit is not working out well.

 

[Rogue_Ledr]

The game didn't deserve to sell well.

IT was a pretty friggin poor game.

Repetitive gameplay, dull combat, utterly simplistic design.

The game had nothing going for it.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Ouch.
I thought there was a previous quote that they were content with sales.

That's a bummer for Ubisoft fans and another black mark on the Wii U. I didn't do my part, but I've got W101 preordered and will do my part with companies and games I actually care about.

Step up to the plate, Atlus! Etrian Odyssey U!

 

[Plinko]

Er you do realize this is 2013 and 3 years would be 2015 not 2014? If they wait til 2016 they will probably end up launching a new handheld and console in the same 12 month period which will kill them development wise. The best thing for Nintendo if they plan on having handheld/console be separate is to have at least a 2 year spread to get things ready and not have huge launch droughts

So?

As for the handheld: they have no competition right now in the handheld space. They don't need to release a handheld right away. They could conceivably let the 3DS have a 10-year lifespan if they keep putting out software.

It was more or less Madden 12 with new rosters, and without any of the new physics features/engine. Without the spectacle of improved graphics to make people forget their buying an inferior product. Full price.

Not to mention 4 months later than the 360/PS3 versions. There was literally no reason to buy that game. None.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

I doubt Ubisoft is going to continue the relationship in 2015 if their major releases during the Holiday 2013 season don't do well. You can account Holiday 2012 to growing pains, system had just launched. But if things are only looking more dire a year later (which they do since it will have newer and flashier competition) what else can they do? If Ubisoft can eek out a profit on the Wii U versions, they'll still keep bringing them out.

As poorly as the Wii U might be doing right now, Nintendo absolutely positively can not close up shop on it anytime soon. Support for the Wii started fading away in 2010, the Wii U didn't come out in 2012. If they pulled out with a new console in 2016, that's just going to shake consumer confidence even more. They need to have people looking at the future, but you have to support what you convinced people to buy in the first place.

 

[Mpl90]

If Wii U is profitable in the end, Nintendo will make another console. Until that profit runs dry they won't consolidate.

I don't know at this point, even if it's profitable. I believe there could be decent sales this Holiday, but then third party support will almost certainly dry up from the most supportive SHs too and...what kind of future could Nintendo have? The handheld platform is much, much stronger, the Nintendo games releasing on it sell well, if not very well/fantastic, it's a third party war machine in Japan, and...and I know this fact could sound stupid and all in this context, but a niche title like PxZ obtained to chart almost in top 10 in a quite difficult country for very Japanese titles, like UK. I can't think a title like that can debut so well on a Nintendo home platform, because there's no audience for it. Wii was having the audience for these titles: so many people wanting to play any kind of titles, and then you could see arcade ports almost in top 10 in UK, No More Heroes making Suda cry for joy for its sales, freaking de Blob at almost 1 million ww; but then, many factors decimated that audience...

 

[Totobeni]

UBI's said that after this holiday they're going to re-evaluate the console. So, Nintendo's looking at a very critical period over the next few months. That price drop needs to happen and they need to hope that their upcoming lineup catches on like they think it will.

yeah this holiday season is critical for Wii U future with third party.

but can a price cut do anything? especially when they have PS4 and Xbox One starting a new generation (meaning you have the hardcore gamers will be buying these) and there is no real big exclusives (first of 3rd party) on Wii U this holiday/the rest of the year to push many people to buy the system even if it get cheaper.

 

[Amir0x]

Mario Kart comes out next year

Really!? Oh Christ they could have used that...

 

[metalslimer]

So?

As for the handheld: they have no competition right now in the handheld space. They don't need to release a handheld right away. They could conceivably let the 3DS have a 10-year lifespan if they keep putting out software.

You got the math wrong and said no way Nintendo would put out a new console in 2014 when the person you were respoding to never said 2014 but 2015. And Nintendo will kill their handheld business sitting on the 3DS for 10 years. That kind of complacency is what kills consoles. The mobile market would eat it alive at that point unless they were selling it for like 49.99. Even the DS couldn't last for 10 years if Nintendo wanted it to. The max you will see for 3DS is DS lifespan of 6 years, but I'm more betting on 5 so a 2016 launch.

 

[Alienous]

I'm not saying he didn't say those things. But I do want to know exactly what and how he said them, because that's important too. And if it were "straight from the horses mouth" as you put it, there would be a direct quote (just as I directly quoted you there).

And who said anything about invalidating anything, pretty aggressive there, sport. I don't think wanting to see exactly what he said, versus the informal lens of the article author, is anything out of left field.

I can't imagine a scenario where Yves would elaborate by saying "not even close" with regards to ZombiU being profitable, even if that isn't a direct quote, without the general tone being negative.

And I'm sure your condescending tone will help with the constructive discussion.

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

Lets say some of you got your way. Nintendo goes multiplatform. Do you think other publishers could make games similar to Nintendo's and be able to sell them on MS/Sony platforms while competing with Nintendo? I'm not sure what effect they would have by no longer segregating certain gamers from the rest of the market. I'm highly worried that Nintendo occupies a large niche that only Nintendo will be able to pacify. I would certainly hope moving into the PS4/Xbox One market would have a transformative effect on those gamers. I'm sick of the dudebro vs manchild false dichotomy that some gamers and publishers have imagined for us but I can't say there isn't a small amount of truth to it either.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Wii U - Gamecube 0.5!

 

[Plinko]

You got the math wrong and said no way Nintendo would put out a new console in 2014 when the person you were respoding to never said 2014 but 2015. And Nintendo will kill their handheld business sitting on the 3DS for 10 years. That kind of complacency is what kills consoles. The mobile market would eat it alive at that point unless they were selling it for like 49.99. Even the DS couldn't last for 10 years if Nintendo wanted it to. The max you will see for 3DS is DS lifespan of 6 years, but I'm more betting on 5 so a 2016 launch.

Oh, I see what you were getting at with the dates. I read his post as saying a 2-year lifespan.

I've got news for you--the mobile market is going to eat it alive no matter what. We're already seeing it. Nintendo's best bet is to create the hybrid console/portable.

 

[Exile20]

Really!? Oh Christ they could have used that...

Ye we know, so disappointing. 3d Mario and kart would have killed xmas or atleast poked it to death with a pin.

 

[Daingurse]

the wii u is just going to be nintendo and platinum games eh?

And Sega! Honestly think Sega will be the only 3rd party cleaning up on Wii-U. Hilariously ironic.

 

[Pie and Beans]

I'm not saying he didn't say those things. But I do want to know exactly what and how he said them, because that's important too. And if it were "straight from the horses mouth" as you put it, there would be a direct quote (just as I directly quoted you there).

And who said anything about invalidating anything, pretty aggressive there, sport. I don't think wanting to see exactly what he said, versus the informal lens of the article author, is anything out of left field.

I don't think tone changes anything? Yves divulged that info, its fact. No lens changes that. Now how Yves feels personally about such a shitty deal, thats another story. But what we get instead are just 3 clear-cut bullet points.

I don't think Chris Morris is on my suspect game journo list where I have to question whether he has a crusade of completely inventing interview tidbits either, so calls for to see the exact exchange (recording/transcript) are bit silly and reaching.

 

[ElRenoRaven]

Sad to hear but not unexpected one bit. Let's be honest the WII U is a failure for Nintendo. They have almost zero third party support, They did a piss poor job of advertising the system and let's be honest they themselves haven't even done a good job of supporting it. So it's not shocking one bit that Zombi U was a complete failure. The game was awesome but I knew the day it was announced WII U exclusive it was doomed. It'll always be in my collection though because it was a fun as hell game.

 

[Kai Dracon]

Really!? Oh Christ they could have used that...

They desperately needed Mario Kart this christmas. In fact not having it is probably an outright disaster.

The problem is Mario Kart is the thing you don't dare rush and have turn out poorly. It has become a critical series. They rushed Mario Kart 7 as much as humanly possible, bringing in Retro to help finish courses. So one would assume if it was possible to get MK8 out this christmas it would be there.

It seems Mario Kart was another victim of everything else not being ready. It's as if the entire pipeline was pushed backwards by a uniform six months across the board.

 

[Vermillion]

Wii U - Gamecube 0.5!

Have to make it the "every third console" curse.

PS6 is gonna tank.

 

[Totobeni]

Wii U - Gamecube 0.5!

Gamecube actually got decent 3rd party support, Wii U is having N64 level of 3rd party support.