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[Loudninja]

So yeah kotaku stuff sounds even worse.

 

[Amused]

Kotaku killed Gaf?

 

[xaosslug]

who is this?

 

[Boke1879]

http://kotaku.com/rumored-xbox-one-launch-issues-lead-to-lots-of-question-1453405464

has an ariticle up mentions dev kits being buggy too . new thread worthy?

I don't think we need a new thread for EVERYTHING. Let's just keep it in here for now. The only thing I would even think would be new thread worthy is if CBOAT posts one of his #truthfacts

 

[JABEE]

Resubmitting games because the SDK is so broken. Ouch.

 

[CambriaRising]

This picture has been debunked by Sony a month ago..

Yup.

https://twitter.com/yosp/status/390075509180100609

 

[Ishan]

who is this?

some polygon guy...iirc

 

[alr1ght]

Kotaku report is up
http://kotaku.com/rumored-xbox-one-launch-issues-lead-to-lots-of-question-1453405464

nice summary of the events

only real new info

One source said that as of at least a few weeks ago, Xbox One SDKs were very buggy. Another source said some developers who have already submitted their games to Microsoft for certification have had to resubmit those games with a more recent version of the SDK. In other words, both developers and Microsoft staff have been working overtime to get games shipped and approved.1

"It's going to be a fun few weeks in Microsoft QA," one developer source said.

What does that all mean for people who plan to buy an Xbox One on November 22? At this point, it's tough to say. A third, high-level developer source assures us that this sort of thing is par for the course. Hardware launches are always rocky, and while this is the type of issue that will lead to all-nighters for people working on the console and its games, these last-minute SDK bugs might not have much effect on what we see and play this fall.

thank you for not direct linking here, but somebody must have.

 

[Into]

Connect the dots?

Were doing this?

Uh oh...



Where?

Sony Computer Entertainment’s president Shuhei Yoshida has since claimed via his Twitter account that the “red line of death” is untrue. We agree. It’s not a red line of death, it’s apparently a warning of overheating. Even so, Sony is officially stating this isn’t true, and if so, we’d like to know what does happen when the PS4 starts getting too hot.

http://www.geek.com/games/red-line-ps4-overheats-at-sony-event-1573962/

Your computer has the same thing in it, to shut down in case of overheating, to protect the components from breaking down. Almost everything today has it.

 

[Bundy]

It is true...if you keep it in a small plastic display case with no ventilation.

Example A:

Debunked by Yoshida, bro.
It's fake!

 

[TTOOLL]

We need more independent journalists, that's it.

 

[Guerilla]

nop that wont cut it
gaf needs drama

Or "GAF" believes reliable insiders more than a site whose employees damage control on behalf of Microsoft constantly.

 

[jiggle]

Ooh thanks I'd read most of that earlier, but that Tales and Dragon Quest PS4 news is exciting and a nice change of pace from all these shady hardware issues.

Next gen JRPG's

completely missed those
sounds like
another dqx that won't get translated
and
a tales game that won't even be out for another 2+ years
not very exciting :<

 

[Amir0x]

Dude, You sign an NDA, then you stick to it. Otherwise, Don't sign any at all. As simple as that.

That's exactly what I said. If they signed anything that prevents them from speaking on this score, then they've already given up any and all credibility they ever deserve to have. They shouldn't even get to sign anything like that if they want to be actual game 'journalists.'

As a journalist, You will be given the right to see hardware/software which is currently 'in development'. You are given many rights under that contract. You'll be able to talk about the features of the said software but you're not allowed to point to any problems to it unless you're allowed to according to the NDA. because it's "IN DEVELOPMENT" and the consumer will never see that alpha version of the software and/or hardware. Development =/= final build intended for consumer use.

MS and Sony and other publishers as well are allowing the journalists to do their jobs as per the NDA contract. If a journalist is gone rogue, His actions will not hurt himself only. It will hurt the company, the hard working people who spent hours and maybe took an overtime shift to deliver the product and it will hurt the families of the people who were associated with that company and eventually your economy will be hurt as well.

Not a single company on earth would tolerate childish behavior from childish journalists.

We're really reaching absurdity territory. What you're saying is that they must sign a contract in blood before trying these games out, and if they don't, BYE BYE ACCESS. And this is what you think makes those who would speak out against those actions 'childish'?

Nobody needs to be informed as to how fucked up the system is. The problem is the system itself. If "ACCESS" is lost because a journalist cannot freely speak up against problems consumers absolutely need to know before they buy a product, then the access itself was not fucking worth it.

 

[potam]

Resubmitting games because the SDK is so broken. Ouch.

But would that even be the cause of the XB1 review delays? I thought someone said that for the CoD reviews, they could choose either version to play, and not play the others. Meaning, that even if the embargo is a week later for XB1, the games are already been played and reviewed.

 

[soul creator]

i-Lo is killing it right now, lmao

 

[Wurdfurd]

Debunked by Yoshida, bro.
It's fake!

The red line is overheating. yosp simply said it wasn't the "Red line of death" aka hardware failure.

 

[Sanctuary]

So much for console parity.

I think you mean "balance" right?

 

[Skilletor]

I learned i this thread that a new SF is in development. I leave happier than I entered. Thank you, based Thuway.

 

[Guevara]

So you honestly think people will give the box 2 months of collecting dust before they shit all over it saying "OMGWTFTHISTHINGKEEPSFREEZINGSHUTTINGOFFNOTCONNECTINGTOINTERNETAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" on every damn social media network?

In today's world - if the issue is widespread - I'd expect it to go a few hours after launch before people take to social media flailing their arms about forbidding anyone to buy it.

Seriously. If major crashing, freezing, connection issues do occur in large at launch - it won't make it to 2014 without the grace of a forgiving, loving deity.

Trust me I wish this mattered, but people forgave the RROD fiasco.

As long as the Xbox One sort of works at all at launch, people will rationalize their purchase and complaints won't really matter.

 

[xaosslug]

some polygon guy...iirc

LOL... oh, OK.

 

[FreedomFighter]

Didn't he leave MS? Why are we still using him for XBone GIFs?

 

[potam]

Trust me I wish this mattered, but people forgave the RROD fiasco.

As long as the Xbox One sort of works at all at launch, people will rationalize their purchase and complaints won't really matter.

You also have to remember, though, that the 360 was for all intents and purposes the superior 3rd party system, and was cheaper than the PS3, so it was easier to forgive in that situation.

 

[Viruz]

This.

I made a thread about the state of journalism, NDAs and secrets a couple of days ago. Our very own editor for Kotaku stated that we have to be patient - it had only be 3 days (Ignoring the fact that these issues/rumours have been solid for months).

It's been 5 days by my count. It is no longer about patience - the journalists aren't doing their job properly. Whether you need of be quicker, or get some more sources etc. I'm not sure. But this shit would be unacceptable in any other industry. I certainly it's not a case of waiting for an official response from Sony/Ms, bound to be manicured nonsense.

Do your fucking job - report on this shit.

Editoor timing as the Kotaku story goes up. Though I still think 5 days give or take was far, far too long for that particular news story.

They can't, NEVER. Because so many gifts. They are "bought". In other words "them bitches".

 

[FuturusX]

The real shock here, is that some of you can confuse journalists with videogame reviewers.

They play games, give us a score and an opinion ( that's the order of importance ). Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein they most certainly are not.

 

[EmptySpace]

so what the article clarified is that there are issues with the xbone, but they are hard-at-work on fixing those issues so those won't show up on day 1.

so crytek and xbox qa will be sharing those 11,500 meals together?

 

[Wurdfurd]

Trust me I wish this mattered, but people forgave the RROD fiasco.

I only "forgave" them after they extended warranty to 3 years so I would be covered. Luckily I only had to send away twice. Not like my buddy who was on his 7th console before buying the 'S' model.

 

[oflaherty01]

But would that even be the cause of the XB1 review delays? I thought someone said that for the CoD reviews, they could choose either version to play, and not play the others. Meaning, that even if the embargo is a week later for XB1, the games are already been played and reviewed.

The fact that the console launches exactly one week later might have something to do with why the embargos are exactly one week later. That would be my guess. I think people are reading too much into that. Its not like people can't cancel their pre-orders 10 days or one week away from release/

 

[alr1ght]

searching for neogaf on twitter reveals some fascinating profiles bitching about this place.

 

[gofreak]

Kotaku's article is probably worth a thread. Has some new info/insight.

From the SDK perspective, that info also could tally with what famousmortimer said, even if not directly. Buggy sdks could certainly lead to OS crashes or other problems such as mortimer described.

 

[Bundy]

The red line is overheating. yosp simply said it wasn't the "Red line of death" aka hardware failure.

Sony Computer Entertainment’s president Shuhei Yoshida has since claimed via his Twitter account that the “red line of death” is untrue. We agree. It’s not a red line of death, it’s apparently a warning of overheating. Even so, Sony is officially stating this isn’t true

.

 

[intheinbetween]

Connect the dots?

Were doing this?

iirc Polygon has been lately posting positive articles about PS4 and negative ones about XB1

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Yes it is will be even more so for deferred rendering engines .

Isn't Ryse using such an engine?

Digital Foundry: Very few - if any - of the next-gen games we've seen target multi-sampling anti-aliasing. What's your solution for Ryse? Do you think that MSAA is now a thing of the past in console game development?

Cevat Yerli: MSAA is quickly getting bandwidth-bound and thus expensive. With a deferred shading based renderer the bandwidth consumption is getting prohibitively high. For Ryse we developed our custom SMAA 1TX, in essence it is a combo of morphological AA with smarter temporal anti-aliasing. It's a new robust and fairly efficient technique which we shared some details about at Siggraph this year. It's a solution which deals with any signal input changes in order to smooth out potential shimmering during movement, while masking out any potential ghosting, and together with shading aliasing solutions it provides a more filmic image quality overall.

Cevat Yerli: We put our most accessed render targets like the G-Buffer targets into ESRAM. Writing to ESRAM yields a considerable speed-up. While 32MB may not be enough to use something like MSAA to the fullest, with a smart memory management strategy it is possible to deal with that.

Sounds like it just takes time and planning.

 

[potam]

The fact that the console launches exactly one week later might have something to do with why the embargos are exactly one week later. That would be my guess. I think people are reading too much into that. Its not like people can't cancel their pre-orders 10 days or one week away from release/

True, but how many people outside of GAF are going to go back and reread the review for CoD, AC4, BF4, etc. just to see how different the XB1 is?

I would argue that the vast majority of the people buying a console in the next few months assume that they are at parity, so they won't think to go read a separate review.

 

[Syphon Filter]

Dam, it's a new thing everyday lol.

 

[disastermouse]

You know as bad as this may be to watch I honestly feel even worse for the people spending so much money and having such bad systems. Poor launch buyers.

Me too. I went from unsympathetic to bleeding heart over the course of the cluster duck that is the Xbox One pre-launch.

 

[ascii42]

Isn't Ryse using such an engine?





Sounds like it just takes time and planning.

And isn't Ryse 900p?

 

[Vamphuntr]

This thread is like a roller coaster ride with people citing source saying it's either buggy or amazing. Hard to guess at this point but I wouldn't be surprised if the OS for both had issues at launch, especially in MS case. We keep hearing how rushed the system appears to be since the 180 about the DRM thing.

Even if snapping crashes games right now, I really doubt it's something that will not be fixed early on since we know how much resources are allocated to the OS already.

 

[Solid warrior]

That's exactly what I said. If they signed anything that prevents them from speaking on this score, then they've already given up any and all credibility they ever deserve to have. They shouldn't even get to sign anything like that if they want to be actual game 'journalists.'



We're really reaching absurdity territory. What you're saying is that they must sign a contract in blood before trying these games out, and if they don't, BYE BYE ACCESS. And this is what you think makes those who would speak out against those actions 'childish'?

Nobody needs to be informed as to how fucked up the system is. The problem is the system itself. If "ACCESS" is lost because a journalist cannot freely speak up against problems consumers absolutely need to know before they buy a product, then the access itself was not fucking worth it.

It's not even a final product, yet. So, Journalists are talking about something that is currently 'in development' which will definitely has many problems, OBVIOUSLY and is NOT intended for consumer use.

When the FINAL PRODUCT ships and the embargo has been lift. Then. The journalists has the right to speak up against whatever problems they find.

What if you own a business and you hired hard working people, and then a journalist comes in, won't you hold him accountable for what he says by signing an NDA? Are you aware of the consequences of loose lips on your business? Don't you feel any responsibility at all? :/

 

[E92 M3]

Didn't he leave MS? Why are we still using him for XBone GIFs?

The captain steered the ship. Even if he did evacuate before his crew, that doesn't take away the blame.

 

[TheRealTalker]

we have also seen a lot of devkit menus for the PS4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcnKSzIU5B4
here is a recent one 33 secs in length

 

[Caayn]

Not sure if this was posted yet, despite being a day old, I found nothing in a search. Just more on the next-gen OSes and Smartglass being a wreck.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Dodd, perhaps best known for launching the #PS4NoDRM campaign earlier this year, is not a professional journalist. He doesn't have the cachet of a well-known gaming website or magazine. However, he has been publicly correct about rumors in the past, such as the delay of Sony's PS4 racing game DriveClub, which he reported was true two days before Sony confirmed the news.

Nice jab, at this point I would love someone to tell me how these professional game journalist deserve that title.

 

[AlphaDump]

I will say this: IF all this shit turns out to be true and journalists sat by the sidelines while it was happening, there must be a reckoning. This sort of failure at their job is so fucking insane that it literally suggests they shouldn't even exist. Why bother being a 'games journalist'? At this point they'd all just be game 'enthusiasts' who bow down to whatever company gives them the nicest smile.

FUCK NDAs. I don't give a shit what people are signing. If this story is this big, it is of critical importance to inform consumers and their readers. That's the only duty. If they fail to do that, shut down their websites. Wrap it up.

Damn, I completely agree.

Although to be fair, If shit really is hitting the fan and it is "broken", I'd expect someone to have stepped forth by now. NDA's are strong, but so is personal integrity, and with so many developers and people involved, it's hard to believe no one has spoken up yet. Not even on neogaf, but just in general.

I hope for their sake I don't buy a broken console because I am misinformed or just simply not told.

 

[Deadly_headmen]

who is this?

free screenshot tool

 

[SenjutsuSage]

And isn't Ryse 900p?

I don't think it matters that it is considering it's the best looking next gen console game I've seen. But of course that's my opinion, but I'm not the only person that believes this.

 

[Woffls]

We will start to see the press publishing stories now that the first few have jumped in. This needs to be eased into, and the sources have to be widespread enough that it's safe to start reporting without people fearing for their jobs. I imagine the well known outlets will be at least bringing this issue to the surface in the next 24 hours, though how many of them will do any more than "ask MS/Sony for comment", I don't know.

some polygon guy...iirc

Emily Gera, writes for Polygon, former VideoGamer. Widely respected, and people's opinions of Polygon should not be a factor, in my opinion.

 

[coldfoot]

Isn't Ryse using such an engine?
Sounds like it just takes time and planning.

And omitting MSAA and most likely omitting/degrading some other effects. It is a limitation

 

[PBY]

Damn, I completely agree.

Although to be fair, If shit really is hitting the fan and it is "broken", I'd expect someone to have stepped forth by now. NDA's are strong, but so is personal integrity, and with so many developers and people involved, it's hard to believe no one has spoken up yet. Not even on neogaf, but just in general.

I hope for their sake I don't buy a broken console because I am misinformed or just simply not told.

NDAs are hard to enforce. They could fuck up relationships w/ pubs, but I doubt that they are this wall holding back megatons.

 

[Amir0x]

It's not even a final product, yet. So, Journalists are talking about something that is currently 'in development' which will definitely has many problems, OBVIOUSLY and is NOT intended for consumer use.

When the FINAL PRODUCT ships and the embargo has been lift. Then. The journalists has the right to speak up against whatever problems they find.

What if you own a business and you hired hard working people, and then a journalist comes in, won't you hold him accountable for what he says by signing an NDA? Are you aware of the consequences of loose lips on your business? Don't you feel any responsibility at all? :/

You let them be honest. "Hey, this has framerate issues currently. Hey, this has resolution issues currently. Microsoft assures us these issues will be ironed out for launch."

What you don't do is hide huge things from consumers because you want to jerk off the developer or publisher or console manufacturer's best version of events. If an NDA prevents that honesty, then it's not fucking worth it.