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[nasos_333]

Then why is the one version of bf4 running without ao and effects of the ps4 version at a lower overall fps? I doubt the devs dropping to 720p means the one just runs amazingly and is given more effects as a consolation prize. Nothing we've seen indicates what you're proposing to be at all true.

I think it actually looks better on xbox one

From this comparisson at least (not my pics)

http://uk.ign.com/videos/2013/11/01/battlefield-4-next-gen-vs-current-gen

I will reserve jusdgement until more official pics are out, but the PS4 version looks inferior rather clearly, more blurry and missing shadows and the lighting is not as good etc

I have to say i am surprised 1080p had such a severe negative effect on PS4 graphics

what i would love to see is an option to use 1080p will the less effects or 720p with more, just two options for console would make sense

 

[Dictator93]

I think it actually looks better on xbox one

From this comparisson at least (not my pics)

http://uk.ign.com/videos/2013/11/01/battlefield-4-next-gen-vs-current-gen

I will reserve jusdgement until more official pics are out, but the PS4 version looks inferior rather clearly, more blurry and missing shadows and the lighting is not as good etc

I have to say i am surprised 1080p had such a severe negative effect on PS4 graphics

what i would love to see is an option to use 1080p will the less effects or 720p with more, just two options for console would make sense

No. The PS4 version is objectively higher res (900p not 1080p like you said) AND using more effects.

Your comparison is disengenuous.

 

[Jburton]

Destiny will be the next major one.

Bingo.

 

[Skeff]

I think it actually looks better on xbox one

From this comparisson at least (not my pics)

http://uk.ign.com/videos/2013/11/01/battlefield-4-next-gen-vs-current-gen

I will reserve jusdgement until more official pics are out, but the PS4 version looks inferior rather clearly, more blurry and missing shadows and the lighting is not as good etc

I have to say i am surprised 1080p had such a severe negative effect on PS4 graphics

what i would love to see is an option to use 1080p will the less effects or 720p with more, just two options for console would make sense

Try calibrating the Brightness/contrast/sharpness/gamma

 

[nasos_333]

No. The PS4 version is objectively higher res (900p not 1080p like you said) AND using more effects.

Your comparison is disengenuous.

As i said this is not my comparisson, just took it from the links below

http://uk.ign.com/videos/2013/11/01/battlefield-4-next-gen-vs-current-gen

http://s926.photobucket.com/user/ziseknsa/media/ps4vsps3vs360vsxone_zpsb77bb6d4.gif.html

If the pics are for real, PS4 looks way behind xbox one in everything, lighting, more blurry, textures, clarity, shadowing etc

I would like a link proving what you suggest, because the pics are rather clearly in xbox one favour (i do not know if they are legit though)

By what i read here, it feels like the PS4 and xbox one pics are swapped, because it is xbox one pic that looks 900p, has better lighting, shadows etc

Maybe he who posted the pics swapped them to make xbox one look better, i will look into that and get back

 

[Skeff]

NBA 2K was confirmed 1080p, but I can't remember whether I heard that magic word "native".

The only info we have on the res of NBA is "journalists" reporting their both 1080p after speaking to PR people at the event, but this is not a great way as CoD was also appaently 1080p on both platforms from some of these journalists, I'd rather see the specific Developer quote to be honest.

 

[hodgy100]

I think it actually looks better on xbox one

From this comparisson at least (not my pics)

http://uk.ign.com/videos/2013/11/01/battlefield-4-next-gen-vs-current-gen

I will reserve jusdgement until more official pics are out, but the PS4 version looks inferior rather clearly, more blurry and missing shadows and the lighting is not as good etc

I have to say i am surprised 1080p had such a severe negative effect on PS4 graphics

what i would love to see is an option to use 1080p will the less effects or 720p with more, just two options for console would make sense

oh god you aren't joking!

first you post gifs that are low resolution therefore mitigating any difference in resolution.
it is fact that the ps4 version is better than the xbox once version, it runs at a lower average framerate, it is missing ambient occlusion effects (in this build) and it is running at a slower framebuffer 1280 x 720 (compared to 1600x 900)c and it is missing any form of anti alising (ps4 doesn't have propper AA but FXAA is better than nothing) on all other measures they are pretty much the same, same textures, same models, same effects.


you are literally arguing against the devs of the game at this point. Think about that.

FML

 

[satam55]

I can imagine the meltdowns if GTAV on XBONE and PS4 is 30fps.

GTAV is open world game. Of course it's gonna be 30fps.

 

[Jburton]

As i said this is not my comparisson, just took it from the links below

http://uk.ign.com/videos/2013/11/01/battlefield-4-next-gen-vs-current-gen

http://s926.photobucket.com/user/ziseknsa/media/ps4vsps3vs360vsxone_zpsb77bb6d4.gif.html

If the pics are for real, PS4 looks way behind xbox one in everything, lighting, more blurry, textures, clarity, shadowing etc

I would like a link proving what you suggest, because the pics are rather clearly in xbox one favour (i do not know if they are legit though)

By what i read here, it feels like the PS4 and xbox one pics are swapped, because it is xbox one pic that looks 900p, has better lighting, shadows etc

Maybe he who posted the pics swapped them to make xbox one look better, i will look into that and get back

Buddy save yourself the time and effort and understand that it is fact that the PS4 version has the higher res, more stable frame rate, higher AA and more detail.

Simply fact.

 

[danwarb]

30fps games are more likely to hit 1080p because there's more tolerance, until MS gets their shit together.

Or games start with dynamic image quality, something the X1 should be good at with per frame image scaling.

 

[Slair]

I think it actually looks better on xbox one

From this comparisson at least (not my pics)

http://uk.ign.com/videos/2013/11/01/battlefield-4-next-gen-vs-current-gen

I will reserve jusdgement until more official pics are out, but the PS4 version looks inferior rather clearly, more blurry and missing shadows and the lighting is not as good etc

I have to say i am surprised 1080p had such a severe negative effect on PS4 graphics

what i would love to see is an option to use 1080p will the less effects or 720p with more, just two options for console would make sense

You should probably take this to the BF4 comparison thread if you want to get a quick answer as to why the xbox version is lacking compared to the ps4 version:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=705961&page=131

 

[nasos_333]

oh god you aren't joking!

first you post gifs that are low resolution therefore mitigating any difference in resolution.
it is fact that the ps4 version is better than the xbox once version, it runs at a lower average framerate, it is missing ambient occlusion effects (in this build) and it is running at a slower framebuffer 1280 x 720 (compared to 1600x 900)c and it is missing any form of anti alising (ps4 doesn't have propper AA but FXAA is better than nothing) on all other measures they are pretty much the same, same textures, same models, same effects.

FML

It is also a fact that i would get the xbox one version by the actual pics posted above

To me in the actual pics i see in front of my eyes xbox one looks a lot crisper and has better lighting by far and extra shadows (look at the rocky floor under the grass in the first gif, PS4 is missing the shadows altogether)

In any case, is there a link that mentions all the above for PS4 version and has a better comparisson with the builds used in the video i linked ?

You should probably take this to the BF4 comparison thread if you want to get a quick answer as to why the xbox version is lacking compared to the ps4 version:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=705961&page=131

I dont need to know why it is lacking, i want to know why it seems to look way better in the pics i posted

I will take actual pics i see with my eyes over any number of on paper specs

I will post the pics in the thread you suggested and see if i get a real answer

 

[hodgy100]

It is also a fact that i would get the xbox one version by the actual pics posted above

To me in the actual pics i see in front of my eyes xbox one looks a lot crisper and has better lighting by far and extra shadows (look at the rocky floor under the grass in the first gif, PS4 is missing the shadows altogether)

In any case, is there a link that mentions all the above for PS4 version and has a better comparisson with the builds used in the video i linked ?



I dont need to know why it is lacking, i want to know why it seems to look way better in the pics i posted

I will take actual pics i see with my eyes over any number of on paper specs

I will post the pics in the thread you suggested and see if i get a real answer

It has been stated numerous time that the Xbox one is having an issue outputting a fill range image, leading to a darker overall picture. This accounts for you seeing extra shadows.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-battlefield-4-face-off-qa

So what's going on with Xbox One?

Xbox One was also acquired at full range 0-255 RGB with the dash set accordingly, in line with the other versions - exactly how we approach every Face-Off. We have now had informal confirmation from a very good source that current Xbox One hardware has issues with full-range RGB output that are not present on either PC or PS4. We asked DICE for comment and were told that they are "investigating the video output range and settings for Xbox One".

 

[lol51]

I dont need to know why it is lacking, i want to know why it seems to look way better in the pics i posted

I will take actual pics i see with my eyes over any number of on paper specs

I will post the pics in the thread you suggested and see if i get a real answer

That first gif is not real? The UI isn't scaling between the PS4 version and XBO versio like other screenshots. Plus the images are identical except for increase and sharpness and crushing of blacks. Are you sure that is a real comparison shot and not someone photoshopping the PS4 image ?

You can see the UI scale in the second GIF next gen side. The dpad moves up and down.

 

[nasos_333]

It has been stated numerous time that the Xbox one is having an issue outputting a fill range image, leading to a darker overall picture. This accounts for you seeing extra shadows.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-battlefield-4-face-off-qa

But if what i see looks better, why would that be an issue and not a perk ? At least for my tastes

BTW, another pic i like better on xbox one

In all comparisson pics so far i like xbox one version far better, especially the lighting and clarity.

That first gif is not real? The UI isn't scaling between the PS4 version and XBO versio like other screenshots. Plus the images are identical except for increase and sharpness and crushing of blacks. Are you sure that is a real comparison shot and not someone photoshopping the PS4 image ?

You can see the UI scale in the second GIF next gen side. The dpad moves up and down.

No, i am not sure as i said, i took it from a link below the IGN video posted above

I will check it (but will take some time)

 

[danwarb]

Buddy save yourself the time and effort and understand that it is fact that the PS4 version has the higher res, more stable frame rate, higher AA and more detail.

Simply fact.

With the X1 actually having a higher CPU clock, the same 2-core reserve, and using less CPU for audio, there may be occasions where the X1 version run smoother at least.

Rarely happens that games are CPU bound on your PC, but that was last gen, and these aren't strong CPUs.

 

[Sorc3r3r]

A little off-topic but i've added more people to my ignore list this last weeks than ever since my approval on GAF, it's fascinating.

BTW, i think that .gifs and static pics, as much as compressed videos do not help to understand how much difference there will be on our TVs.
But the difference in resolution is big, really big: that's a fact.

 

[Mandoric]

But if what i see looks better, why would that be an issue and not a perk ?

BTW, another pic i like better on xbox one

In all comparisson pics so far i like xbox one version far better, especially the lighting and clarity.

The Xbox One shots have objectively reduced detail due to oversharpening, and significant capture errors in some shots floating around. You're allowed to think that makes it better, but it's definitely a "prefers ketchup on steak" or "likes the sound dynamics of cassette tape" scenario.

 

[Skeff]

With the X1 actually having a higher CPU clock, the same 2-core reserve, and using less CPU for audio, there may be occasions where the X1 version run smoother at least.

Rarely happens that games are CPU bound on your PC, but that was last gen, and these aren't strong CPUs.

Not this shit again:

having a higher CPU clock

Source for PS4 being 1.6Ghz?

the same 2-core reserve

Source for PS4 2 core reserve?

using less CPU for audio

Source?

 

[shinra-bansho]

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You guys do realise you're arguing with the infamous labwarrior, no?

There's pretty much absolutely nothing you can say to convince him whatsoever of the Xbox being worse.

 

[hodgy100]

But if what i see looks better, why would that be an issue and not a perk ? At least for my tastes

Becasue its a different look thats being caused by a bug. and as in the quote I posted, its being looking into and will likely be fixed for launch. Therefore the images for the xbox one version arent really an accurate representation of what the game will look like.

 

[ymmv]

1080p has too many pixels. Devs have to stuff each frame with spare pixels to pad it out. 720p is how the designers meant the game to be played, with each pixel carefully laid in place by an artist.

Sony's insistence on 1080p will ruin the games industry. Games are too expensive already, by forcing developers to target 1080p budgets will explode, games won't make their sales target and multitudes of studios will have to close. The gaming landscape will become a wasteland if Sony had their way. Thank god there's at least one gaming console where developers can make games like in the good old days, carefully handcrafted gems for a discerning, appreciative audience.

 

[SolidSnakex]

But if what i see looks better, why would that be an issue and not a perk ? At least for my tastes

Because what you're seeing are Youtube clips and Gifs of videos that people have admitted were from poor captures. The people that were there are in universal agreement that the PS4 version was superior across the board. Here's JackFrags video where he compares them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDGAvdJ9PHQ

And from CV&G

Hi guys. We were told by EA we couldn't cover the Xbox One version, but clearly that's not what was sent out to other media.

I've added a previously edited line back in to the review pointing out that the PS4 version, to our critic, looked vastly superior to Xbox One. Expect a more detailed comparison shortly.

http://www.computerandvideogames.co...a-slick-introduction-to-next-gen-multiplayer/

 

[Dr. Kitty Muffins]

We'll argue about resolution in the next Lego game. Albert will fear losing playgrounds all across America and give them PR directly - during their lunch hours.

 

[frizby]

But if what i see looks better, why would that be an issue and not a perk ? At least for my tastes

BTW, another pic i like better on xbox one

In all comparisson pics so far i like xbox one version far better, especially the lighting and clarity.

You're right! In real life, people's parking lights always cast a blinding glare.

My god man, how literally high are you?

 

[Metalmurphy]

To me in the actual pics i see in front of my eyes xbox one looks a lot crisper and has better lighting by far and extra shadows (look at the rocky floor under the grass in the first gif, PS4 is missing the shadows altogether)

That's what you get for trying to pass judgment on shitty tiny pics. Those are not shadows you are seeing, those are differently tiled textures. They're randomly generated.

 

[coldone]

You should probably take this to the BF4 comparison thread if you want to get a quick answer as to why the xbox version is lacking compared to the ps4 version:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=705961&page=131

These are photo shopped. Look at the bullet count on the right hand corner. 720p the text should be larger than 900p as it is scaled.

Look at the other gifs taken from the same DF capture.

 

[bigbaldwolf86]

You're right! In real life, people's parking lights always cast a blinding glare.

My god man, how literally high are you?

Ha ha. Maybe it would look even better if the whole screen was just glare. The glare off those lights is horrific

 

[lol51]

No, i am not sure as i said, i took it from a link below the IGN video posted above

I will check it (but will take some time)

you can see the difference between that GIF and actual screenshots here:

Notice how the UI is smaller in the PS4 version. While your gif the UI doesn't change at all. Infact it looks like someone just altered the image. You can't even verify it is a console shot because the top right doesn't show the PS4 trackpad button or the XBO multitask button.

 

[Portugeezer]

The next big game will be Destiny or Watch_Dogs, although I suspect Watch_Dogs on PS4 could be 900p and 720p on Xbone.

 

[Jburton]

These are photo shopped. Look at the bullet count on the right hand corner. 720p the text should be larger than 900p as it is scaled.

Look at the other gifs taken from the same DF capture.

You can see the lighting effects are there on the PS4, they have been diminished by the capture ........ this gif makes that really apparent.


Do you really believe these are photoshopped?

 

[satam55]

With the X1 actually having a higher CPU clock, the same 2-core reserve, and using less CPU for audio, there may be occasions where the X1 version run smoother at least.

Rarely happens that games are CPU bound on your PC, but that was last gen, and these aren't strong CPUs.

The fact that the PS4 is MUCH MORE capable of GPGPU than the Xbox1, negates ANY advatage the Xbox1 has with a slighty higher CPU clockspeed.

Also, the PS4 also has it's own dedicated audio chip. So clearly, you don't know WTF you're talking about.

P.S. Let's not forget about the ARM cpu in the PS4.

 

[InvaderZimmer]

Really dissapointed in both systems not hitting 1080p 60 fps in bf4. Time will tell if increasingly more advanced games will force the console wars into a 900p vs 720p battle instead of 1080p vs 1080p.

 

[Amir0x]

Things are only going to get more bloody as things get closer to launch. There are at least two other games that are going to look significantly better on PS4 launch than on XBO's.

 

[dragonelite]

Things are only going to get more bloody as things get closer to launch. There are at least two other games that are going to look significantly better on PS4 launch than on XBO's.

Aren't all games gonna look better then on ps4 then the X1 version..
Its pretty much a given with the performance gap.

 

[Pbae]

But if what i see looks better, why would that be an issue and not a perk ? At least for my tastes

BTW, another pic i like better on xbox one

In all comparisson pics so far i like xbox one version far better, especially the lighting and clarity.



No, i am not sure as i said, i took it from a link below the IGN video posted above

I will check it (but will take some time)

If those images speak to you, then by all means you should highly consider the Xbox One version. It has features such as head tracking that hasn't been shown on the PS4 version to my knowledge. In a vacuum, BF4 for the One is graphically impressive. But in regards to it's main competition, it is a downgrade in nearly every measurable amount. It's only going to be more prevalent when shown in motion, uncompressed.

So let's agree to disagree. We're all passionate about our hobbies and interest and everyone has their own opinions and bias. But many members here are trying to help other members of our community make the best possible purchase with tangible evidence because let's be real, this is expensive hardware for some and the investments that we make for a new generation will play out for the next 5+ years.

 

[Amir0x]

Aren't all games gonna look better then on ps4 then the X1 version..
Its pretty much a given with the performance gap.

Not all games. Some will try for parity, it will happen.

Assassin's Creed Black Flag is what I'm most curious about seeing.

 

[-MB-]

This thread perfectly illustrates the 7 year frustration of having to endure inferior 3rd party multiplats by those who prefer Sony systems.
Trying to get back at the other side for all those years.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

These are photo shopped. Look at the bullet count on the right hand corner. 720p the text should be larger than 900p as it is scaled.

Look at the other gifs taken from the same DF capture.

The soft tones on the PS4 version don't do justice to the 1080p native resolution on that game. If gamers were not told which is which it would be interesting to see what they prefer.

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

Not all games. Some will try for parity, it will happen.

Only if they make games for the lowest common denominator and refuse to use the extra resources to enhance the other.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Things are only going to get more bloody as things get closer to launch. There are at least two other games that are going to look significantly better on PS4 launch than on XBO's.

Hmm, is there a rumor I missed somewhere, or are you just speculating?

 

[frizby]

So let's agree to disagree.

This phrase...in a spec thread...makes my head hurt.

This is all objective and measurable stuff, and while I admire your diplomacy, these little console warriors who are crapping up all the spec threads (seriously, just check) with their "looks sharper to me" nonsense shouldn't be coddled.

If they have to fall back on subjectivity, nevermind those borked screenshots, they should find an article or comparison from anybody at that event who wrote the words "Xbox One version was superior" or ANY variation thereof. Just one. Go ahead, we'll wait.

 

[frizby]

Things are only going to get more bloody as things get closer to launch. There are at least two other games that are going to look significantly better on PS4 launch than on XBO's.

Hmm, is there a rumor I missed somewhere, or are you just speculating?

NFS Rivals is pretty much a given at this point. I don't think NBA 2K has ever been shown on Xbox One, but I think we've seen glimpses of AC4.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Ubisoft tends to just put the PC build in trailers and videos and change button prompts. So I wouldn't take any snippets with XB1 buttons to mean anything.

But the PS4 version was shown via a live event recently iirc, where a trophy popped up.

I believe 2K have said that NBA 2K14 is native 1080p on both.

NfS wouldn't surprise me at all though.

 

[satam55]

Not all games. Some will try for parity, it will happen.

Assassin's Creed Black Flag is what I'm most curious about seeing.

The reviews I've seen for ACIV, mention that the game is built for current-gen and there's not much difference between the PS4 & the xbox360 version. So ACIV isn't gonna tell us much.

 

[frizby]

Ubisoft tends to just put the PC build in trailers and videos and change button prompts. So I wouldn't take any snippets with XB1 buttons to mean anything.

But the PS4 version was shown via a live event recently iirc, where a trophy popped up.

Fair enough. I'm partly just taking for granted that AC4 doesn't seem to be much more ambitious than the current gen versions.

I believe 2K have said that NBA 2K14 is native 1080p on both.

I don't think I heard the word "native" for NBA 2K, but I'm off to look. Edit: You're right.

NfS wouldn't surprise me at all though.

The Xbone version hasn't been shown AFAIK, and the PS4 version looks better than PC.

 

[Amir0x]

The reviews I've seen for ACIV, mention that the game is built for current-gen and there's not much difference between the PS4 & the xbox360 version. So ACIV isn't gonna tell us much.

That doesn't mean anything, since we've seen how game "journalists" have been trying to downplay the differences. Call of Duty: Ghosts is also built for current-gen and the difference is massive in resolution alone, before considering anything else.

Hmm, is there a rumor I missed somewhere, or are you just speculating?

Rivals will certainly look better on PS4, I've heard mixed things on the subject of Assassin's Creed IV and I've heard there is some noticeable differences between NBA2k14 on PS4 and XBO.

Shockingly, I heard Angry Birds Star Wars looks MASSIVELY better on the PS4!

Spoiler

just kidding about this last part

Only if they make games for the lowest common denominator and refuse to use the extra resources to enhance the other.

Some people do though.

 

[Skilletor]

The reviews I've seen for ACIV, mention that the game is built for current-gen and there's not much difference between the PS4 & the xbox360 version. So ACIV isn't gonna tell us much.

Unless it's running at a lower resolution on XB1...

 

[DBT85]

Sony's insistence on 1080p will ruin the games industry. Games are too expensive already, by forcing developers to target 1080p budgets will explode, games won't make their sales target and multitudes of studios will have to close. The gaming landscape will become a wasteland if Sony had their way. Thank god there's at least one gaming console where developers can make games like in the good old days, carefully handcrafted gems for a discerning, appreciative audience.

This is beautifully subtle.

 

[Louis Cyphre]

This is beautifully subtle.

I missed that, Sony mandates every game to be 1080p?