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Mik317

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Wow.

I hate doing this but.. You are mad salty bro.

So now it's that they game won't sell well and not that it's a bad game.

Geez man.

If the game is great like everyone says then who cares about anything else. This only serves to make you look like a goalpost moving fool.
 
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Kintaro

Worships the porcelain goddess
Spieler Eins said:
Well, I never doubted that this game will be good, but it was always kinda funny (and maybe a little sad) how people read something completely different in my posts so they'd fit typical standard arguments against people that might have not even spent proper time with Nintendo content - unlike me. So no, I'm not mad the scores but good work on the gif regardless ;)
Unfortunately, reviews were never gonna change the problems with the title. Oh look a 10/10, but is it still a game more heavily based on the groundwork of another (2 year old) Mario title on inferior hardware than any other title in the series history? Yeah. Is it still the culmination of the worst first year lineup of a Nintendo machine since the Virtual Boy? Yes.

Unlike review scores which were easy to predict, I'd be more curious about sales data. Starting with media create next week, I suspect the market (and the fans Nintendo clearly disrespects with sich a pitiful next gen launch, plus 2 years of letting the original Wii rot for no reason right before that) will reject this one as much as the unremarkable NSMBU which represented more than either ,,good/bad game'' but almost all the company's faults in the last couple of years. The actual good machine that is the 3DS will do the rest to cannibalize the sales. Afterwards they'll probably have no choice but to come up with new concepts on par with 64 and Galaxy, even though I'm sure they'd love to crank out more 3D World titles like NSMB instead. Then next gen everyone is gonna be happy again :)
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mxgt

Banned
Spieler Eins said:
Well, I never doubted that this game will be good, but it was always kinda funny (and maybe a little sad) how people read something completely different in my posts so they'd fit typical standard arguments against people that might have not even spent proper time with Nintendo content - unlike me. So no, I'm not mad the scores but good work on the gif regardless ;)
Unfortunately, reviews were never gonna change the problems with the title. Oh look a 10/10, but is it still a game more heavily based on the groundwork of another (2 year old) Mario title on inferior hardware than any other title in the series history? Yeah. Is it still the culmination of the worst first year lineup of a Nintendo machine since the Virtual Boy? Yes.

Unlike review scores which were easy to predict, I'd be more curious about sales data. Starting with media create next week, I suspect the market (and the fans Nintendo clearly disrespects with sich a pitiful next gen launch, plus 2 years of letting the original Wii rot for no reason right before that) will reject this one as much as the unremarkable NSMBU which represented more than either ,,good/bad game'' but almost all the company's faults in the last couple of years. The actual good machine that is the 3DS will do the rest to cannibalize the sales. Afterwards they'll probably have no choice but to come up with new concepts on par with 64 and Galaxy, even though I'm sure they'd love to crank out more 3D World titles like NSMB instead. Then next gen everyone is gonna be happy again :)
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You could have manned up and admitted your failings, but instead you decided to take this route. sad.
 
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Dark-Cloudz

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Spieler Eins said:
Well, I never doubted that this game will be good, but it was always kinda funny (and maybe a little sad) how people read something completely different in my posts so they'd fit typical standard arguments against people that might have not even spent proper time with Nintendo content - unlike me. So no, I'm not mad the scores but good work on the gif regardless ;)
Unfortunately, reviews were never gonna change the problems with the title. Oh look a 10/10, but is it still a game more heavily based on the groundwork of another (2 year old) Mario title on inferior hardware than any other title in the series history? Yeah. Is it still the culmination of the worst first year lineup of a Nintendo machine since the Virtual Boy? Yes.

Unlike review scores which were easy to predict, I'd be more curious about sales data. Starting with media create next week, I suspect the market (and the fans Nintendo clearly disrespects with sich a pitiful next gen launch, plus 2 years of letting the original Wii rot for no reason right before that) will reject this one as much as the unremarkable NSMBU which represented more than either ,,good/bad game'' but almost all the company's faults in the last couple of years. The actual good machine that is the 3DS will do the rest to cannibalize the sales. Afterwards they'll probably have no choice but to come up with new concepts on par with 64 and Galaxy, even though I'm sure they'd love to crank out more 3D World titles like NSMB instead. Then next gen everyone is gonna be happy again :)
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Psycho_Mantis

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Spieler Eins said:
Well, I never doubted that this game will be good, but it was always kinda funny (and maybe a little sad) how people read something completely different in my posts so they'd fit typical standard arguments against people that might have not even spent proper time with Nintendo content - unlike me. So no, I'm not mad the scores but good work on the gif regardless ;)
Unfortunately, reviews were never gonna change the problems with the title. Oh look a 10/10, but is it still a game more heavily based on the groundwork of another (2 year old) Mario title on inferior hardware than any other title in the series history? Yeah. Is it still the culmination of the worst first year lineup of a Nintendo machine since the Virtual Boy? Yes.

Unlike review scores which were easy to predict, I'd be more curious about sales data. Starting with media create next week, I suspect the market (and the fans Nintendo clearly disrespects with sich a pitiful next gen launch, plus 2 years of letting the original Wii rot for no reason right before that) will reject this one as much as the unremarkable NSMBU which represented more than either ,,good/bad game'' but almost all the company's faults in the last couple of years. The actual good machine that is the 3DS will do the rest to cannibalize the sales. Afterwards they'll probably have no choice but to come up with new concepts on par with 64 and Galaxy, even though I'm sure they'd love to crank out more 3D World titles like NSMB instead. Then next gen everyone is gonna be happy again :)
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Its perfectly fine if you don't like the game but sales don't really indicate the quality of a title.
 
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traveler

Not Wario
Spieler Eins said:
Well, I never doubted that this game will be good, but it was always kinda funny (and maybe a little sad) how people read something completely different in my posts so they'd fit typical standard arguments against people that might have not even spent proper time with Nintendo content - unlike me. So no, I'm not mad the scores but good work on the gif regardless ;)
Unfortunately, reviews were never gonna change the problems with the title. Oh look a 10/10, but is it still a game more heavily based on the groundwork of another (2 year old) Mario title on inferior hardware than any other title in the series history? Yeah. Is it still the culmination of the worst first year lineup of a Nintendo machine since the Virtual Boy? Yes.

Unlike review scores which were easy to predict, I'd be more curious about sales data. Starting with media create next week, I suspect the market (and the fans Nintendo clearly disrespects with sich a pitiful next gen launch, plus 2 years of letting the original Wii rot for no reason right before that) will reject this one as much as the unremarkable NSMBU which represented more than either ,,good/bad game'' but almost all the company's faults in the last couple of years. The actual good machine that is the 3DS will do the rest to cannibalize the sales. Afterwards they'll probably have no choice but to come up with new concepts on par with 64 and Galaxy, even though I'm sure they'd love to crank out more 3D World titles like NSMB instead. Then next gen everyone is gonna be happy again :)
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I was pretty disappointed at the initial fan reaction to 3d world's showing, given my love for the Galaxy games and EAD Tokyo. When the 180 occurred, I wasn't pleased that everyone had seemingly come to their senses, but disappointed again. Not because I had become negative, but because it became clear why everyone poo poo'd the initial unveil: aesthetics. They needed to see new worlds and visuals, and I would have thought the same fanbase that sees the greatness of the Galaxy games would understand that play is more important than all. I'm not excited for SM3DW because of all the latest crazy footage; I'm excited because it's EAD Tokyo's follow up to the best games of all time and I have faith in them.

Now, I feel like I'm seeing that same misplaced emphasis on aesthetics again. Galaxy, for all its impressiveness and quality, wasn't some huge innovative leap for the franchise- it was simply the series taken to its highest quality yet. The biggest innovation it brought was a realization that the linearity displayed in Sunshine's one off levels was a better medium for Mario to truly reach its pinnacle than the more open world environs of Sunshine proper and 64, not the gravity gimmicks which could have been one off concepts introduced in any of the games as the series has set a precedent for doing, or the spaceborn setting, or motion controls, or anything else. But I think people view the "conceits" the series takes as its steps forward- 64 to Sunshine was a proper leap because there is a perceivable change in aesthetics, and likewise for Sunshine to Galaxy. 3D World didn't show that leap to begin with, so people condemned it as a port of 3d land despite the quality of that entry because they expected the mainline entry to change theming again. Naturally, as more different settings and footage were shown, they warmed up to it. But what all of this fails to realize is that it doesn't matter in the end whether it's the same or different- this is a franchise that, more than any other, is built upon its gameplay and it's willing to go in a million different directions within the same basic package, rendering the actual dressing of that package irrelevant. And I say all this just to point out that I think you're making the same mistake and should really consider what makes Mario special.

(Naturally, I could be completely wrong come Friday, but the main point is just that you shouldn't put so much stock in what you see.)
 
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avcables

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Spieler Eins said:
Well, I never doubted that this game will be good, but it was always kinda funny (and maybe a little sad) how people read something completely different in my posts so they'd fit typical standard arguments against people that might have not even spent proper time with Nintendo content - unlike me. So no, I'm not mad the scores but good work on the gif regardless ;)
Unfortunately, reviews were never gonna change the problems with the title. Oh look a 10/10, but is it still a game more heavily based on the groundwork of another (2 year old) Mario title on inferior hardware than any other title in the series history? Yeah. Is it still the culmination of the worst first year lineup of a Nintendo machine since the Virtual Boy? Yes.

Unlike review scores which were easy to predict, I'd be more curious about sales data. Starting with media create next week, I suspect the market (and the fans Nintendo clearly disrespects with sich a pitiful next gen launch, plus 2 years of letting the original Wii rot for no reason right before that) will reject this one as much as the unremarkable NSMBU which represented more than either ,,good/bad game'' but almost all the company's faults in the last couple of years. The actual good machine that is the 3DS will do the rest to cannibalize the sales. Afterwards they'll probably have no choice but to come up with new concepts on par with 64 and Galaxy, even though I'm sure they'd love to crank out more 3D World titles like NSMB instead. Then next gen everyone is gonna be happy again :)
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Green Mamba

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Spieler, you need to man up. Either stick with your original view or eat crow, don't try to take the back door out.

Myself, I'm still quite comfortable with my view on the game. Come at me.
 
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Deleted member 125677

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how utterly pathetic it is to try to make the forthcoming and totally predictable moderate to mediocre sales figures into an argument against the quality of the game

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Freezie KO

Banned
Can't wait until we retire the "salt" reply, which effectively halts discussion at the level of "u mad bro".

Spieler Eins said:
Well, I never doubted that this game will be good, but it was always kinda funny (and maybe a little sad) how people read something completely different in my posts so they'd fit typical standard arguments against people that might have not even spent proper time with Nintendo content - unlike me. So no, I'm not mad the scores but good work on the gif regardless ;)
Unfortunately, reviews were never gonna change the problems with the title. Oh look a 10/10, but is it still a game more heavily based on the groundwork of another (2 year old) Mario title on inferior hardware than any other title in the series history? Yeah. Is it still the culmination of the worst first year lineup of a Nintendo machine since the Virtual Boy? Yes.

Unlike review scores which were easy to predict, I'd be more curious about sales data. Starting with media create next week, I suspect the market (and the fans Nintendo clearly disrespects with sich a pitiful next gen launch, plus 2 years of letting the original Wii rot for no reason right before that) will reject this one as much as the unremarkable NSMBU which represented more than either ,,good/bad game'' but almost all the company's faults in the last couple of years. The actual good machine that is the 3DS will do the rest to cannibalize the sales. Afterwards they'll probably have no choice but to come up with new concepts on par with 64 and Galaxy, even though I'm sure they'd love to crank out more 3D World titles like NSMB instead. Then next gen everyone is gonna be happy again :)
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It'll be hard to know what Nintendo takes away from the sales of this title. Even if the game sells significantly less than Galaxy, they can just chalk that up to the game itself being dragged down by the platform (as opposed to the other way around). And now that the game is getting critical acclaim, they have validation from the enthusiast crowd.

I'd love to see them do something more experimental than yet another 3D ___ title, but I'm afraid that even if we get another ambitious, risky Mario title in a few years, they'll keep going back to the well with this series. The idea of it being an entry-level series for 2D fans is obviously enticing to them, and I feel the addition of multiplayer is a point of no return for Nintendo because they won't want to lose the people who get attached to that experience.
 
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HovaHovito

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Spieler Eins said:
Well, I never doubted that this game will be good, but it was always kinda funny (and maybe a little sad) how people read something completely different in my posts so they'd fit typical standard arguments against people that might have not even spent proper time with Nintendo content - unlike me. So no, I'm not mad the scores but good work on the gif regardless ;)
Unfortunately, reviews were never gonna change the problems with the title. Oh look a 10/10, but is it still a game more heavily based on the groundwork of another (2 year old) Mario title on inferior hardware than any other title in the series history? Yeah. Is it still the culmination of the worst first year lineup of a Nintendo machine since the Virtual Boy? Yes.

Unlike review scores which were easy to predict, I'd be more curious about sales data. Starting with media create next week, I suspect the market (and the fans Nintendo clearly disrespects with sich a pitiful next gen launch, plus 2 years of letting the original Wii rot for no reason right before that) will reject this one as much as the unremarkable NSMBU which represented more than either ,,good/bad game'' but almost all the company's faults in the last couple of years. The actual good machine that is the 3DS will do the rest to cannibalize the sales. Afterwards they'll probably have no choice but to come up with new concepts on par with 64 and Galaxy, even though I'm sure they'd love to crank out more 3D World titles like NSMB instead. Then next gen everyone is gonna be happy again :)
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Malvingt2

Member
Spieler Eins said:
Well, I never doubted that this game will be good, but it was always kinda funny (and maybe a little sad) how people read something completely different in my posts so they'd fit typical standard arguments against people that might have not even spent proper time with Nintendo content - unlike me. So no, I'm not mad the scores but good work on the gif regardless ;)
Unfortunately, reviews were never gonna change the problems with the title. Oh look a 10/10, but is it still a game more heavily based on the groundwork of another (2 year old) Mario title on inferior hardware than any other title in the series history? Yeah. Is it still the culmination of the worst first year lineup of a Nintendo machine since the Virtual Boy? Yes.

Unlike review scores which were easy to predict, I'd be more curious about sales data. Starting with media create next week, I suspect the market (and the fans Nintendo clearly disrespects with sich a pitiful next gen launch, plus 2 years of letting the original Wii rot for no reason right before that) will reject this one as much as the unremarkable NSMBU which represented more than either ,,good/bad game'' but almost all the company's faults in the last couple of years. The actual good machine that is the 3DS will do the rest to cannibalize the sales. Afterwards they'll probably have no choice but to come up with new concepts on par with 64 and Galaxy, even though I'm sure they'd love to crank out more 3D World titles like NSMB instead. Then next gen everyone is gonna be happy again :)
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so1337

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Fredrik said:
Yikes. I did Not expect scores like this. Right now I'm thinking: Why do I need a PS4/XB1 day 1 again? These scores plus the hardware issues with PS4 and delayed XB1 launch in my country makes me think I should just stick to WiiU for a while.
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Took the words right ouf of my mouth. I'll try and get my hands on a PS4 next week (no pre-order) but I can't say I'm gonna be too sad if I can't. Wii U + SM3DW seems like on hell of an alternative.
 
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Majestad

Banned
Spieler Eins said:
Well, I never doubted that this game will be good, but it was always kinda funny (and maybe a little sad) how people read something completely different in my posts so they'd fit typical standard arguments against people that might have not even spent proper time with Nintendo content - unlike me. So no, I'm not mad the scores but good work on the gif regardless ;)
Unfortunately, reviews were never gonna change the problems with the title. Oh look a 10/10, but is it still a game more heavily based on the groundwork of another (2 year old) Mario title on inferior hardware than any other title in the series history? Yeah. Is it still the culmination of the worst first year lineup of a Nintendo machine since the Virtual Boy? Yes.

Unlike review scores which were easy to predict, I'd be more curious about sales data. Starting with media create next week, I suspect the market (and the fans Nintendo clearly disrespects with sich a pitiful next gen launch, plus 2 years of letting the original Wii rot for no reason right before that) will reject this one as much as the unremarkable NSMBU which represented more than either ,,good/bad game'' but almost all the company's faults in the last couple of years. The actual good machine that is the 3DS will do the rest to cannibalize the sales. Afterwards they'll probably have no choice but to come up with new concepts on par with 64 and Galaxy, even though I'm sure they'd love to crank out more 3D World titles like NSMB instead. Then next gen everyone is gonna be happy again :)
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Someone please do a YTMND of this. Please
 
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Goodlife

Member
"The game's gonna be shit, you just wait"

"Reviews are expected, always thought they'd be good, sales will be shit though"

Glorious.
 
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Diablos54

Member
It's good to see all those 9's and 10's in the OP, always knew this was going to happen, can't wait to play this when I finally pick up a Wii U!

Now on the other hand...

Spieler Eins said:
Well, I never doubted that this game will be good, but it was always kinda funny (and maybe a little sad) how people read something completely different in my posts so they'd fit typical standard arguments against people that might have not even spent proper time with Nintendo content - unlike me. So no, I'm not mad the scores but good work on the gif regardless ;)
Unfortunately, reviews were never gonna change the problems with the title. Oh look a 10/10, but is it still a game more heavily based on the groundwork of another (2 year old) Mario title on inferior hardware than any other title in the series history? Yeah. Is it still the culmination of the worst first year lineup of a Nintendo machine since the Virtual Boy? Yes.
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This is amazing.

Freezie KO said:
I'd love to see them do something more experimental than yet another 3D ___ title, but I'm afraid that even if we get another ambitious, risky Mario title in a few years, they'll keep going back to the well with this series.
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Super Mario 3D Universe!
 
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gamergirly

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TheGreatMightyPoo said:
The difference is as big as old Oprah.
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Yeah it's like a Master meltdown. Somebody trying to convince themselves of something that they don't truly believe themselves. If you don't like the game, just admit it. Don't bring sales BS into the argument. Wait for the November NPD thread and find something else to do
 
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Gamer @ Heart

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Spieler Eins said:
Well, I never doubted that this game will be good, but it was always kinda funny (and maybe a little sad) how people read something completely different in my posts so they'd fit typical standard arguments against people that might have not even spent proper time with Nintendo content - unlike me. So no, I'm not mad the scores but good work on the gif regardless ;)
Unfortunately, reviews were never gonna change the problems with the title. Oh look a 10/10, but is it still a game more heavily based on the groundwork of another (2 year old) Mario title on inferior hardware than any other title in the series history? Yeah. Is it still the culmination of the worst first year lineup of a Nintendo machine since the Virtual Boy? Yes.

Unlike review scores which were easy to predict, I'd be more curious about sales data. Starting with media create next week, I suspect the market (and the fans Nintendo clearly disrespects with sich a pitiful next gen launch, plus 2 years of letting the original Wii rot for no reason right before that) will reject this one as much as the unremarkable NSMBU which represented more than either ,,good/bad game'' but almost all the company's faults in the last couple of years. The actual good machine that is the 3DS will do the rest to cannibalize the sales. Afterwards they'll probably have no choice but to come up with new concepts on par with 64 and Galaxy, even though I'm sure they'd love to crank out more 3D World titles like NSMB instead. Then next gen everyone is gonna be happy again :)
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You need to re-evaluate a lot about yourself.
 
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Interceptor

Banned
Spieler Eins said:
Well, I never doubted that this game will be good, but it was always kinda funny (and maybe a little sad) how people read something completely different in my posts so they'd fit typical standard arguments against people that might have not even spent proper time with Nintendo content - unlike me. So no, I'm not mad the scores but good work on the gif regardless ;)
Unfortunately, reviews were never gonna change the problems with the title. Oh look a 10/10, but is it still a game more heavily based on the groundwork of another (2 year old) Mario title on inferior hardware than any other title in the series history? Yeah. Is it still the culmination of the worst first year lineup of a Nintendo machine since the Virtual Boy? Yes.

Unlike review scores which were easy to predict, I'd be more curious about sales data. Starting with media create next week, I suspect the market (and the fans Nintendo clearly disrespects with sich a pitiful next gen launch, plus 2 years of letting the original Wii rot for no reason right before that) will reject this one as much as the unremarkable NSMBU which represented more than either ,,good/bad game'' but almost all the company's faults in the last couple of years. The actual good machine that is the 3DS will do the rest to cannibalize the sales. Afterwards they'll probably have no choice but to come up with new concepts on par with 64 and Galaxy, even though I'm sure they'd love to crank out more 3D World titles like NSMB instead. Then next gen everyone is gonna be happy again :)
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Lordwindowlicker

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I find it ridiculous that some people are still using the tired argument that the game is somehow "based on the foundation of a handheld game" as if that's a reasonable argument.

The game shares similarities with a game that was on a handheld, but they have no evidence that it is anything more than that. And now with the stellar reviews that the game seems to be getting, it sounds more and more like that's a bullshit argument to make.
 
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PotionBleue

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ratcliffja said:
The Wii U is dead in Japan, so I'd be shocked if it did more than 1 million sales there. I'd be surprised if it even did 250K its first week. The real test will be what it does in America and what it does worldwide over time.
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Technically Wii U's situation is worse in Europe than in Japan.

rawktapus said:
I can't believe they gave it a "Bon"! I expected a minimum of "Sacre Blue" or "Magnifique"! Never reading that site again!
with apologies to the french
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LOL
(but *sacrebleu)
 
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Nibel

Member
Lordwindowlicker said:
I find it ridiculous that some people are still using the tired argument that the game is somehow "based on the foundation of a handheld game" as if that's a reasonable argument.

The game shares similarities with a game that was on a handheld, but they have no evidence that it is anything more than that. And now with the stellar reviews that the game seems to be getting, it sounds more and more like that's a bullshit argument to make.
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In fact the 3DS title does mostly show up as a little sidenote in reviews and that's it
 
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Green Mamba

Member
Freezie KO said:
It'll be hard to know what Nintendo takes away from the sales of this title. Even if the game sells significantly less than Galaxy, they can just chalk that up to the game itself being dragged down by the platform (as opposed to the other way around). And now that the game is getting critical acclaim, they have validation from the enthusiast crowd.

I'd love to see them do something more experimental than yet another 3D ___ title, but I'm afraid that even if we get another ambitious, risky Mario title in a few years, they'll keep going back to the well with this series. The idea of it being an entry-level series for 2D fans is obviously enticing to them, and I feel the addition of multiplayer is a point of no return for Nintendo because they won't want to lose the people who get attached to that experience.
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Risking to post this in this topic, but yes, I am too worried about the future of this series. They've repeatedly said this game is not coloring the future of the series, but I really don't trust them--to me it sounded like weasel words in case it reviewed/sold poorly. This is still absolutely not the direction I wan the series to go in, but I really don't see them averting it now. We'll see what the future brings, but if, in two years, we see Super Mario 3D World 2 (or some equivalent thereof), well, you'll all have to forgive me if I come of as a little irate.
 
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PK Gaming

Member
Spieler Eins said:
Well, I never doubted that this game will be good, but it was always kinda funny (and maybe a little sad) how people read something completely different in my posts so they'd fit typical standard arguments against people that might have not even spent proper time with Nintendo content - unlike me. So no, I'm not mad the scores but good work on the gif regardless ;)
Unfortunately, reviews were never gonna change the problems with the title. Oh look a 10/10, but is it still a game more heavily based on the groundwork of another (2 year old) Mario title on inferior hardware than any other title in the series history? Yeah. Is it still the culmination of the worst first year lineup of a Nintendo machine since the Virtual Boy? Yes.

Unlike review scores which were easy to predict, I'd be more curious about sales data. Starting with media create next week, I suspect the market (and the fans Nintendo clearly disrespects with sich a pitiful next gen launch, plus 2 years of letting the original Wii rot for no reason right before that) will reject this one as much as the unremarkable NSMBU which represented more than either ,,good/bad game'' but almost all the company's faults in the last couple of years. The actual good machine that is the 3DS will do the rest to cannibalize the sales. Afterwards they'll probably have no choice but to come up with new concepts on par with 64 and Galaxy, even though I'm sure they'd love to crank out more 3D World titles like NSMB instead. Then next gen everyone is gonna be happy again :)
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