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Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 3: Ridley's Believe It or Not!
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Neoriceisgood
Member
Nah, I'd rather not have people use that Ridley.
Even Ridley being playable wouldn't stop the discussion, don't be rude.
The neck looks really, really odd and his head looks a bit small. Proportionally everything else looks fine.
It's boggles my mind how people single out one character (who has known size consistency issues) and decide for themselves he couldn't work in a game full of size changing magicians. No one is the size their are "supposed" to be.
This game isn't canon to jack shit. Ridley can be the size of a PokeBall, if that is what Sakurai wants.
theprodigy
Member
It is funny because it is true xD
Characters have to be represented in way that is true to how they are as a character. This is something that rings true many fighting games, despite what you may think. A lot of things going into what is or what isn't a character in a crossover fighting game, and sakurai isn't even the guy with last say. You are working with devisions of nintendo who wish to see their character represented well, and so far non-samus metriod people have been regulated to XXXL. Its not about being canon, its about being correct.
Nope.
He doesn't get to make that decision.
I can suggest it , make it nope.
Sorry if it sounded rude, but it only does so much.
He looks like an awkward toddler -- not menacing at all.
I'd actually prefer Medusa - I like her design better and I think there's a lot more you could do with Medusa. Summoning monsters, turning people to stone, energy blasts. Actually, you could probably include both as clones. Swap monsters for centurions, dark energy for light energy, so forth. They've got a pretty similar bodytype after all.
In an ideal world, though, I'd have Pit and Medusa playable with Snake-quality banter between Palutena, Viridi, and Hades on the Kid Icarus stage... that'd be a dream come true.
I'm actually torn on whether or not Kid Icarus will get ANY new characters, though. I remember Sakurai being hesitant to push Kirby characters into Melee to avoid favoritism, which is why Meta Knight/Dedede waited until Brawl. I think there's fair odds we won't see either, honestly.
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
But ridley has SCIENCE oh wait so does bowser lol.
Ridley has been rebuilt so many times thanks to technology and biology so advanced, it may as well be magic, in sizes ranging from outright gargantuan to fairly normal.
We will discuss the merits of the new Box and Barrel designs.
BTW boxes with wheels one of best additions ever.
Karsticles
Member
Palutena is more likely than Medusa for all the following reasons:
The Kid Icarus series is named after Palutena in Japan.
Medusa is not a major character in the 3DS game.
Palutena had animated shorts based around her.
Hades!
The Kid Icarus series is named after Palutena in Japan.
Medusa is not a major character in the 3DS game.
Palutena had animated shorts based around her.
Hades!
Akibastman
Member
I'll avatar-bet anyone that Ridley won't be playable.
Neoriceisgood
Member
You could say that about nearly any argument made by anyone about anything in this thread.
I mean, there's still a fairly sizable number of people who think toad might still have a chance. It feels weird to call me out individually in these endless Smash debates.
Sounds like a safe bet.
Not to mention that Palutena is the only character aside from Pit who has appeared in all three Kid Icarus games. If Kid Icarus even gets another character, it's got to be Palutena.
He's too small there. Would look better with a fixed neck though.
As much as I think it's totally feasible and possible for ridley to be playable, I think him being a boss in brawl hurt his chances, as he already has smash representation and would not work as a fighter in that form. If he weren't already in brawl, i'd be rooting for him 100%, but the way sakurai is pretty consistent in the smash world, I don't know if I see it happening. I'm still hoping he'll make it
mainly so I can see this thread flip out
The whole game is "magic".
Sakurai is in charge. You make it sound as if he's just some programmer, He created this, and has been in charge of development and design for each one ever since. Let's put that in perspective. You know what title Sakurai has? Creator, and Director.
Now, this game series has no canon to the source material. Last I checked, they were all mismatched sized figurines/trophies on some office desk.
If Sakurai so chooses to add Ridley in as a playable character, he will be resized appropriately. There should be no delusion to that. Whether you feel he should be in there or remain larger than the cast is your own personal ideas, that don't allign with how characters are presented in this game, ever. 3 games going, and you still think they have to remain true to the source material. Pikachu is MUCH larger than he is in Pokemon.
Since sakurai is dealing with properties that are handled not by him.
No not really. Sure he can suggests things and ask for things and they may say yes. But what gets in or doesn't goes though their respective creators and departments.
So yes, Sakurai can want it. if the Metriod people say no, then its a no.
Creator and director label goes out the window when you are doing a crossover.
theprodigy
Member
Giga Bowser was a boss in Melee.
What reason would the "Metroid People" have to not include Ridley? Would they tell Sakurai he's too big and demand he be removed?
This is just silly.
Neoriceisgood
Member
Don't see why you'd assume that.
I'm not really interested in characters unless:
a. they genuinly bloody deserve to be in.
b. they have the most inspired amazing moveset ever.
Spoilers: daisy, waluigi and toad fail at both of those criteria.
Hard.
What are you even saying, right now? He's not talking to a bunch of different companies. He's only dealing with Nintendo IP's when dealing with 98% of the current cast.
I'm suuuure Sakurai has to beg to use characters (because Ridley has yet to make an appearance in a Smash game or something).
Oh, and here's that "faithful" representation you spoke of.
Either Samus is a goddamn pigmy, or Ash is a giant.
Maybe the feel Ridley Strength is more in the big scary boss category. They do not feel having him playable would be a good representation of Ridley. Whatever the reason is, its up to them.
Outside of the way Pokémon are depicted (no traditional alternate colors), there's no indication that Sakurai hasn't gotten his way with the roster up until now. He has a ton of connections. Also, there's no such thing as "Metroid people." I'm sure Sakurai asks permission from each character's creator as a formality, but Metroid is completely owned and operated by Nintendo as a company. There isn't a top-down Metroid governing body or even a dedicated development team.
theprodigy
Member
Ridley to be Samus' new Final Smash confirmed
is boss status more or less than an assist trophy
Gotta save that slot for Adam. /plsno
I'd actually believe that over what some others are saying. Despite that, Ridley appeared in Melee smaller than he did in Brawl, so even that doesn't hold water.
In a game world where G&W can exist, any argument against Ridley is just crazy talk.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
you're not gonna get IntelliHeath because he's smart enough not to take that bet
Bingo.
For all the things we here this is much more we don't. Aside from that, I never said anyone restricted him, however I am arguing the notion that any creative director in a crossover game gets the last say, ever.
Yes and like many companies different IP's are handled by different people. Micheal bay isn't handling the My Little Pony Movies. No how funny it would be.
pikachu in the cartoon isn't the same as pikachu in the game.
Green Mamba
Member
Bowser is not Ridley, why does he keep getting brought up in this discussion.
Are you just arguing, just to argue? You kind of proved my entire point there, Village.
theprodigy
Member
Neoriceisgood
Member
Big character with variable sizes throughout his own canon, in smash, large, has teeth. Sexy.
No, since
IRRC
that the game and anime are handled by separate entities. So whatever size the pokemon are in the cartoon bares no relevance to the games, or smash bros.
and dos, Pokemon in particular are the section of nintendo that actually has not let sakurai do things.
Also art -style ect.
blitzwolf215
Member
lol
Them straws you are grasping for. I think every angle you attempted was shut down, and no you are just making up stuff. I guess Nintendo has to ask Nintendo to use Pokemon stuff in Smash, and they just negated to tell themselves Pikachu is actually really small like an actual rat, and not the size of a small child. They didn't change that for I unno... gameplay purposes.
What's next, man?
What do you mean making stuff up, the pokemon cartoon has no relevance to the games.
In the cartoon people can ride on charizards, in games charizards aren't that big. Besides planning downloable events, or promoting pokemon. The pokemon show and the pokemon game are different.
also yes, I assume sakurai has to work with the pokemon company to get smash bros stuff worked out. Because a lot of it isn't owned by nintendo.