M1chl
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Its such a shame tho, I love planes, but in recent years travelling by them its more pain than fun.
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737Max: Boy sitting in row 26 had his t-shirt sucked off him while his mother was holding on to him - Alaska Airlines flight B39M
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Bitmap Frogs
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More good news! The subcontractor that builds the fuselages have finished audit and detected flaws in two thirds of units in construction, can’t guarantee delivered units are free of this fault 
Boeing and the subcontractor acknowledge this is not a safety hazard, just out of spec.
Boeing and the subcontractor acknowledge this is not a safety hazard, just out of spec.
AJUMP23
Gold Member
More good news! The subcontractor that builds the fuselages have finished audit and detected flaws in two thirds of units in construction, can’t guarantee delivered units are free of this fault
Boeing and the subcontractor acknowledge this is not a safety hazard, just out of spec.
Not a safety hazard.....a piece of the fusel lodge fell off in flight. What a spin job.
jufonuk
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Boeing in ‘last chance saloon’, warns Emirates boss
Sir Tim Clark criticises the plane-maker after a panel on a Boeing 737 Max 9 jet blew out in the air.
www.bbc.com
Seems kind of relevant now.
Maybe this could happen but I’m thinking
If Ryanair go for airbus for the main aircraft (not for lauda air) Boeing will be screwed.
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
What a shit show.
Boeing in ‘last chance saloon’, warns Emirates boss
Sir Tim Clark criticises the plane-maker after a panel on a Boeing 737 Max 9 jet blew out in the air.
Seems kind of relevant now.
Maybe this could happen but I’m thinking
If Ryanair go for airbus for the main aircraft (not for lauda air) Boeing will be screwed.
The problem for Boeing is that developing a new plane is a whopping 20+ billions and 5-10 years. They have to ride it out come what it may.
Kadve
Member
This is Boeing were talking about though. They are to important and the government will simply pour money into them if they start wavering.
Chittagong
Gold Member
A perfect cultural fit
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AeonGaidenRaiden
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I dont think Boeing will ever go away but it doesnt change the fact that they are already on the backfoot. The A320Neo came out of nowhere and they had no aircraft to compete with that, so they ran with 737Max but still years later to the market. The 787 was delayed and A350 swooped in a couple fo years before. 777-X is like almost 10 years in certification process, just passed. Im a boeing fan but its very obvious the decisions they made, cost them so much time. Waiting too long for an aircraft, your customers will turn to the competition for new planes and that is what is happening now.
These accidents and issues from the inside of the company are just makint things even worse. They arent going to go bankrupt, but Airbus took over a huge market share and right now the mainstream media when they hear the word "Boeing" , they associate it with accidents which is never a good thing.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
they need to do it... otherwise they'll have to bootstrap fuselage construction from 0.
Pegasus Actual
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In case you're a psycho like me and like to watch a 40+ minute video on literally any air incident
nush
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I do, they are super informative.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
During my student pilot days, watching Air Crash Investigations was almost like a ritual for me. It really hammered home the point for me that skipping checklists and getting too comfortable can lead to trouble, especially when things get hectic and the workload for pilots and crew ramps up. It served as a stark reminder that these checklists, protocols, and processes exist for very good reasons. They weren't designed jto make pilots' lives harder but to ensure safety and efficiency in every flight operation.
ForAcademicPurposes
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Unknown Soldier
Member
I'm also worried about the hundreds of 737 MAX which have already been built and are in active service today. How many of those planes are another crash killing hundreds of people waiting to happen?
Anyone else fly a 737 Max since the accident? I just flew one yesterday (and sat in the emergency row exit...cuz...long legs!) and wasn't worried. The act of taking a flight is such an act of trust in human systems getting stuff right. I'm glad I flew after they understood the problem....(and yes I realize it is possible there are possibly other undiscovered problems).
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jufonuk
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United Flight Veers off Runway on Landing in Houston
In the last 30 minutes, it appears that a United Airlines flight has suffered a gear failure upon landing into Houston caused by veering off the runway.
aviationsourcenews.com
United Airlines Boeing 737 MAX Involved In Houston Runway Excursion
The aircraft appears to have taxied into the grass while leaving the runway.
simpleflying.com
United seems to be in trouble.
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Paltheos
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From everything that I've heard, the rot seems to have infested executive management and the board won't care because the company keeps authorizing stock buybacks to improve share price. John Oliver did a piece on Boeing this week too and as usual there were tons of crazy stories.
-Staff openly joking about how they wouldn't ride a 737Max
-Tons of part subcontracting while inadequately (not at all?) auditing quality, resulting in product incongruities and late/overbudget completion
-FAA inspectors also being Boeing employees (such an insane conflict of interest I don't know how it's allowed)
-Boeing rushing the 737Max out the door to compete with AirBus's popular, new model commercial liner and advertising it as similar enough to the old 737 that pilots won't need any simulator time (and also leaving the MCAS system entirely out of the manual except a brief listing in the glossary)
-Promising a fix to the MCAS system flaws that they didn't deliver timely
The narrative in the story seemed to be that allot of Boeing's contemporary problems stem from the McDonnell Douglas merger in the late 90s. Boeing was led by engineers at the time and was known for quality products; McDonnell Douglas was led by finance bros and had had a plane grounded by the FAA before the merger.
We'll see how things shake out at Boeing. Their stock rose sharply in 2017-2018 and hasn't recovered from the covid slump but is still over its pre-2017 value. I don't know how big company culture shifts come about but I speculate poor performance might be a trigger.
Pegasus Actual
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jufonuk
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LATAM Airlines passenger says pilot told him he lost control of Boeing plane after instrument failure | CNN
The pilot of a terrifying flight from Australia to New Zealand told those on board he temporarily lost control of his Boeing 787 after one of its instruments failed, a passenger said Monday, as authorities investigate what caused a sudden drop that threw terrified travelers around the cabin...
amp.cnn.com
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yet_another_alt
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bender
What time is it?
Guess it's a good thing this baby moves space around it instead of flying.
Nitty_Grimes
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Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
That Latam one is freaky. Apparently everything just turned off for a second. Be interesting to see what data the flight recorders picked up unless they turned off too.
LATAM Airlines passenger says pilot told him he lost control of Boeing plane after instrument failure | CNN
The pilot of a terrifying flight from Australia to New Zealand told those on board he temporarily lost control of his Boeing 787 after one of its instruments failed, a passenger said Monday, as authorities investigate what caused a sudden drop that threw terrified travelers around the cabin...
Unknown Soldier
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Dish soap and a hotel key card: Dozens of problems surface in examination of Spirit, Boeing
Boeing failed 33 out of 89 of the FAA's product audits. At Spirit AeroSystems, the air-safety agency observed a hotel key card being used to check a door seal.
www.seattletimes.com
LOL uh, failed 33 out of 89 product audits......
Yeah I ain't gonna ride no fucking 737 MAX planes until every single one in service is torn down and rebuilt properly. No one knows what else is defective on those things and I don't plan on being the one who finds out
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jufonuk
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Im flying Boeing next week, with RyanairDish soap and a hotel key card: Dozens of problems surface in examination of Spirit, Boeing
Boeing failed 33 out of 89 of the FAA's product audits. At Spirit AeroSystems, the air-safety agency observed a hotel key card being used to check a door seal.
LOL uh, failed 33 out of 89 product audits......
Yeah I ain't gonna ride no fucking 737 MAX planes until every single one in service is torn down and rebuilt properly. No one knows what else is defective on those things and I don't plan on being the one who finds out
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Embearded
Member
Me too... I just checked and the flight uses the 737-800 plane.
Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
You might get a Max - Ryanair have more than 500 737's (130+ MAX) its positioning and what is scheduled for that day.
FunkMiller
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kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
United Airlines Boeing Plane Panel Breaks Off Mid-Flight
Another day, another Boeing problem -- this time a United Airlines flight had to make an emergency landing after a huge chunk of the plane ripped off in the air ... and, yikes.
www.tmz.com
It just doesn't stop.
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Insane Metal
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What the fuck man!
Also this now: https://www.seattletimes.com/busine...led-to-boeing-787s-midair-plunge-wsj-reports/
Also this now: https://www.seattletimes.com/busine...led-to-boeing-787s-midair-plunge-wsj-reports/
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newtypepilot
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you guys should stop with the fear mongering. There are tens of thousands of flights in the air at any given time so if flying is really unsafe, there would be numerous incidents daily.
Boeing definitely deserves all the flack for their poor QA but a lot of the recent incidents has more to do with poor maintenance by the airlines (looking at you, United) than the design of the plane.
Boeing definitely deserves all the flack for their poor QA but a lot of the recent incidents has more to do with poor maintenance by the airlines (looking at you, United) than the design of the plane.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Still easily the safest form of travel, by a hilariously large margin.
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Thaedolus
Gold Member
Depends on the incident. The plug blow out wasn’t a design flaw, it was poor quality control. There’s no reason to think that would’ve happened had the plug been fitted to spec.
The MCAS disasters were absolutely design flaws, and Boeing should take it in the ass for decades for letting that through.
SidViscous
Member
For now, air travel is currently very safe, but the enshitification of products and services in the never ending pursuit of higher profit margins is still a valid concern.
Trilobit
Member
Boeing Whistleblower John Barnett Found Dead Amid Depositions Against Plane Company
I'm not a conspiracy nut, but I'd put 'self-inflicted' in bunny-ears. I've heard he had repeatedly told his family that he's not suicidal in case something happens to him.
At this point I'm staying well clear of any Boeing flights.
I'm not a conspiracy nut, but I'd put 'self-inflicted' in bunny-ears. I've heard he had repeatedly told his family that he's not suicidal in case something happens to him.
At this point I'm staying well clear of any Boeing flights.
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Hawking Radiation
Member
Starting to think the same. Too many things so suddenly happening in quick succession. Something stinks here.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
I flew to the coast last year with an airline, which I won't name, and it was pure shit. You could see rusted metal everywhere. And the passangers were packed in there like pickles.
It was so scary. I will never fly on the cheap again. It's not worth it.
It was so scary. I will never fly on the cheap again. It's not worth it.
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JayK47
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I have a feeling this will get way worse before it gets better. Truly a case against DEI. By time you factor in poorly made planes and the awful companies that fly them, I am surprised these incidents are not far worse. Statistics be damned, I am not a fan of flying, where my life is directly in the hands of other people. And now more than ever, those people's qualifications come into question.
Thaedolus
Gold Member
How in the world does the change in company culture here leading to ignoring quality concerns have anything to do with DEI? By all the information available to us, there’s systemic rot in Boeing’s quality system rooted in pushing shit out before it’s fully baked. And the FAA is failing in its duties to regulate. It goes so far beyond anything a “diversity hire” could ever do to a company.
It’s greed, plain and simple. I know something about pushing back against management when they’re wanting to cut corners and bring in timelines for some quarterly goal, and also pushing back against regulators when they’re overstepping, because I’ve been doing that for like 15 years now. Some of the things people are making hay about I think aren’t legit- the concept of some self verification stuff isn’t foreign or alarming to me in and of itself, but it does require people to act in good faith. And regulatory bodies need to be able to audit and enforce people acting in good faith. Do I like hosting audits? No it’s a pain in the ass, but I accept why they’re done and I stand by my work. Nobody will ever be able to tell me I didn’t put patient safety first. The problem here is that isn’t being drilled into the company culture the way it was drilled into me day one at the first job I had out of college. That has nothing to do with DEI, it has everything to do with greed misaligning priorities
Thaedolus
Gold Member
Agree, there have been design and QC failures. The door plug blowout is infuriating when there’s documentation about the issues and somehow it still got through. The MCAS issue is infuriating because in any risk analysis I’ve ever seen, a design failure that ends in catastrophic injury or loss of life, you have multiple redundancies. That’s why control surfaces have triple redundant hydraulics. Losing control of an airplane with hundreds of people is kinda a big deal- you put software on it that relies on one sensor and can point it into the ground…what the hell. I’m not a genius but I’d call that out in a heartbeat.
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