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https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt-and-rx-5700-review-leaks-out
Reviews
Tomorrow for both the GPUs and the new CPUs. Or, in a few hours.So, where are the reviews?
And no Ray tracingGood thing they dropped the prices on these before launch, otherwise these would have been DOA after Nvidia unveiled RTX Super.
I don't think the price cut was enough though as the value in relation to Nvidia is arguably worse than they were at E3.
Nvidia RTX Super got faster by 13-15% in that segment but AMD reacted with only an 8-12% price cut.
Good thing they dropped the prices on these before launch, otherwise these would have been DOA after Nvidia unveiled RTX Super.
I don't think the price cut was enough though as the value in relation to Nvidia is arguably worse than they were at E3.
Nvidia RTX Super got faster by 13-15% in that segment but AMD reacted with only an 8-12% price cut.
German CPU article has been leaked:Tomorrow for both the GPUs and the new CPUs. Or, in a few hours.
No-no, 113-115%, why are you downplaying the gains?Nvidia RTX Super got faster by 13-15% in that segment but AMD reacted with only an 8-12% price cut.
I think there is one.Nice work OP. Someone needs to do the Ryzen 3000 review thread, I would do it but I'm hungry and there's no food in my house.
German CPU article has been leaked:
makes 9900k customers nervous, I was told.
Pretty good performance there from 3600
Intel clearly wins in CPU limited scenarios and with slower memory on board. No screenshots for other games (I'd like to see Origins)?
RT even on RTX cards is expensive (performance wise) but features like that are still interesting to enthusiasts like me. I remember my ancient Geforce 3, shaders killed performance on that GPU literally the same way as RT on RTX cards now (half life 2 70-80fps in DX7 mode, 20-30fps DX8 settings), so rather than playing in 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 at 40-60fps without shaders I had to play in 1024x768 or even 800x600 (splinter cell 1 was so demanding only 800x600 was somewhat playable in around 25-30fps) with shaders at around 30fps, but it was still exciting to see new effects in games (or benchmarks like 3dmark2001) that pushed graphic quality above DX7 rather than seeing screenshots in magazines. If you have certain feature like HW RT you have a chooice, you can experiment and even play with it, so from my perspective 2060/2070 super cards are still more interesting compared to RX5700 despite higher price.At the same price point 5700XT beats the 2060S and the 5700 beats vanilla RTX 2060. So for those who dont care about ray tracing this is a better option.
But for those who care, this is still a tough sell, because its better to be able to experience some kind of RT than none at all
They are using memory that is JEDEC standard rated for each chipset, so 2666 or whatever Intel standard for 9th gen series whereas Ryzen 3000 is rated up to 3200Mhz.
My prediction: once next-gen consoles/RDNA 2 come out, all the people shitting on RTX will suddenly proclaim RT to be the next great frontier in gaming graphics, even though their RT performance will be on par with the RTX cards we have today.RT even on RTX cards is expensive but features like that are still interesting. I remember my Geforce 3, shaders killed performance on that GPU the same way as RT on RTX cards (half life 2 70-80fps in DX7 mode, 20-30fps DX8 settings), so rather than playing in 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 at 40-60fps without shaders I had to play in 1024x768 or even 800x600 (splinter cell 1) with shaders at around 30fps, but it was still fun to see new effects in games that pushed graphic quality above DX7 rather than seeing screenshots in magazines.
In 1080p it's possible to play with 30fps and even 60fps.
Because PS5/xbox scarlett will both have HW RT I'm guessing it will be impossible to run these console games at console settings on GPU's without HW RT, and maybe even these games will not run at all. On the other hand 8GB VRAM on RTX cards can be a problem too, because if next gen consoles will have over 20GB RAM, so we will see over 10GB VRAM requirements in games for sure. So no matter if you buy RX 5700 or 2060/2070 Super, these GPU's will be good only till PS5/scarlett will launch.
This has already happened, so not much of a prediction. DOOM Eternal I think is gonna be the moment that RTX really comes into it's own. Hyper-realistic demon reflections on futuristic metal surfaces and random space fluid on the ground could really add to the immersion. 2060S should be good for 1080p/Ultra/60fps with RTX enabled.My prediction:
Probably true... Just like right now every nVidia fan is excessively promoting RT just because AMD doesn't have it, while last year everyone was shitting on it.My prediction: once next-gen consoles/RDNA 2 come out, all the people shitting on RTX will suddenly proclaim RT to be the next great frontier in gaming graphics, even though their RT performance will be on par with the RTX cards we have today.
Just watch.
I think so. Had a mention on 'next gen' thread if I remember right.Can someone explain to me how the 5700 7.5tf card beats the Vega64 12.7tf card by a good margin? That's 5.2tf less. 36 cu beating 64 cu. Does that mean 1 Navi cu = 2 gcn cu? Because of the dual cu thing?
Very good site but keep in mind purepc.pl and pclab.pl both test games in the most demanding locations they can find, so results will look much worse here compared to other sites. Personally I like their methodology because based on their demanding benchmarks I know for a fact what to expect from any given GPU/CPU hardware. When I bought my last GPU the vast majority sites suggested I will have around 82-90fps in GTA5 at 4K, but in reality there were frequent dips to around 35-45fps in grassy areas, and only pclab and purepc tests mentioned dips like that.AMD Radeon RX 5700 vs GeForce RTX 2060 - Test kart graficznych | PurePC.pl
AMD Radeon RX 5700 vs GeForce RTX 2060 - Test kart graficznych (strona 22) Test kart graficznych AMD Radeon RX 5700 vs GeForce RTX 2060. Która jest szybsza i bardziej opłacalna? Czy Navi dogoni Turinga? Tego dowiecie się z premierowego testu!www.purepc.pl
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Can someone explain to me how the 5700 7.5tf card beats the Vega64 12.7tf card by a good margin? That's 5.2tf less. 36 cu beating 64 cu. Does that mean 1 Navi cu = 2 gcn cu? Because of the dual cu thing?
I'm asking because if we see a lower single digit TF from next gen consoles, we shouldn't be disappointed. Just see what the 7.5TF card is doing beating 12.7TF. Now imagine 9+, and in well-optimized-for consoles. I feel good about this now.Very simply (as I understand it) Navi RDNA is game performance focused and Vega compute focused. I'm sure others can give a more detailed technical answer, though.
I'm asking because if we see a lower single digit TF from next gen consoles, we shouldn't be disappointed. Just see what the 7.5TF card is doing beating 12.7TF. Now imagine 9+, and in well-optimized-for consoles. I feel good about this now.
Well I wouldn't say noThis exact point has been debated since we found out about RDNA. Still there are those that expect 11TF or even 14TF!
They increased efficiency with the architecture. Short version is, what took 4 clock cycles on Vega and prior GCN cards now takes one.Can someone explain to me how the 5700 7.5tf card beats the Vega64 12.7tf card by a good margin? That's 5.2tf less. 36 cu beating 64 cu. Does that mean 1 Navi cu = 2 gcn cu? Because of the dual cu thing?
thelastword 2018: RTX adds zero value. Nobody wants to game at 1080p 60 FPS. What a joke.This has already happened, so not much of a prediction. DOOM Eternal I think is gonna be the moment that RTX really comes into it's own. Hyper-realistic demon reflections on futuristic metal surfaces and random space fluid on the ground could really add to the immersion. 2060S should be good for 1080p/Ultra/60fps with RTX enabled.
They increased efficiency with the architecture. Short version is, what took 4 clock cycles on Vega and prior GCN cards now takes one.
You just...can't...handle.the...truth. Richard.Leadbetter...is.head of a...secret society.of Nvidia/Xbox....fanboys and he says...RTX.so..it's bad...(Except it’ll take him 15 incoherent paragraphs to say that. And every sentence will end with an ellipsis.)
Indeed... And a good reminder here is that the 5700XT costs the same as the 2060 Super, and the 5700 the same as the plain 2060.
Partner AIB cards will close the gap even more. MSI Gaming 5700XT or whatever will probably be ~5% slower than 2070S.