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Assassin's Creed 2 - Spoiler Thread (Discuss all plot and story here)
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I've been doing some Googling, and although i couldn't find the Auditore family, i did find a wiki article on a Palazzo that was built by the Mozzi family, which Maria supposedly is part of. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palazzo_Mozzi
Also, in her database entry it is mentioned her diary is on display at a gallery in Florence, and that gallery actually exists. I've looked at their site briefly, but couldn't find any mention of the diary, but to be honest, i didn't look very hard. At that point my mind was so thoroughly blown already i didn't feel the need to keep digging.
I wish there was some sort of directors commentary for this game, pointing out where fact meets fiction.
Also, in her database entry it is mentioned her diary is on display at a gallery in Florence, and that gallery actually exists. I've looked at their site briefly, but couldn't find any mention of the diary, but to be honest, i didn't look very hard. At that point my mind was so thoroughly blown already i didn't feel the need to keep digging.
I wish there was some sort of directors commentary for this game, pointing out where fact meets fiction.
rollingstart
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squicken said:
The cape is the darkest black that matches the Altair armor, so it's safe to assume that all the black feathers were used to make it.
I don't mind too much. It would have been awesome of 100 feathers got you a mini-flying machine so you can glide whenever you wanted, though.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Wow, I just finished the game and thought I fell into a Star Trek episode.
This was what they had in mind back in 2007? I mean, really?
This was what they had in mind back in 2007? I mean, really?
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Vilix
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ethelred said:
No offense, Ethel, but Dan Brown is a damned hack.
I don't know if any of you have ever heard of a radio program called Coast to Coast AM. It's a radio show that air at midnight cst. It covers all sort of things. It's main focus has been on UFOs, and secret government conspiracies. A lot of what the game story talks about is stuff you'd here on this show. In fact, they've spoken in depth about Tesla's theory of transporting electricity wirelessly, and how big corporate entities conspired against him. There have been other shows about lost civilations, far advanced than we are now. I don't know if it's really all that factual, but it's pretty entertaining.
Vilix said:
He sure is. But he looks like a fucking master of his craft when held against the insane stupidity of the Assassin's Creed storyline. I meant he's probably resting a bit easier knowing people are actually discussing the intricacies of this drivel, because it means there'll be a market for his dreck for a long time to come.
And to think that some of the people in this thread make fun of the stories in Japanese RPGs. :lol
dollartaco
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ethelred said:
Japanese RPGs don't have stories.
dollartaco
Member
ethelred said:
I dunno, I personally enjoy what AC does way more than Dan Brown's writing. The problem with a conspiracy novel or movie is that you're basically subjected to the mercy of the pacing and narrative of the author's insane mechanisms. So even though I might feel it's interesting or cool for "Lol Jesus was actually using alien technology" or "what if the entire history of the world was a war between good and evil", I might not particularly like a story which is built around discovering those elements as the focus.
The reason why I enjoy the Xeno games and AC games so much is because the main storyline and narrative style/setting of the games and the conspiracy mindfuck crap are sort of complementary of each other. They both co-exist and support each other without the conspiracy stuff being a focus. With Xeno it's mostly about scifi, aliens, giant robots, etc. In AC it's about period action with an assassin. There's political intrigue, historical references, lots of stabbing people in faces, etc. These all make the games really enjoyable and at the same time on the SIDE I can go "lol wow this game sez Jesus was some dude with special powers" or "ROFL Tesla and Edison WHAT and WUT!" and so on.
So I think in a way, I can say that I enjoy stuff like this in a more casual and popcorn way, littered around as parts of the background story and little references, but I would not enjoy it as a focus of the narrative and as the main selling point of the game because then it would sort of not interest me as much because there's nothing else which supports it and makes it cool enough for me to bother.
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Vilix
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ethelred said:
You misunderstood, chief. When I said he's a hack I meant he's a plagiarizer IMHO. But, I don't wanna derail the thread. I was just making an observation based on my experience with this writings.
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Vilix
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dollartaco said:
You know what's funny is the tech behind WiTricity is also same the tech that's used in antigravity experiments. Now, where's my flying car damnit?! >:^(
Lostconfused
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Well it didn't really break the fourth wall, just took a couple of swings at it with a sledge hammer.Ridley327 said:
If you listened to this show none of the wacky conspiracy stuff in the game would be new to you.Vilix said:
Lostconfused
Member
To actually break the 4th wall Minerva would have to start talking to the player instead of Desmond. Unless you mean she broke the 4th wall for Desmond in the game without actually breaking the 4th wall in reality. But instead makeing it hella meta.Ridley327 said:
I thought that them talking to Desmond through Ezio was really awesome. Being able to kick some ass with the hidden blade as Desmond was fucking awesome too. I knew it was coming but doing so was so cool. I'm curious how they are going to work the next one. Maybe half past half present.
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Vilix
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Lostconfused said:
No, it doesn't seem new to me at all. Some of the things Subject 16 was saying in the glyphs sounded quite familiar. This is going to sound bizarre, but I wouldn't be surprised if Ubisoft had used some source material, or expert, for their story that Premiere Radio Network (Coast to Coast AM) had once used for one of its stories.
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Here's how I would end AC3:
Desmond and Co. discover all the details, defeat Abstergo, use the tech to stop the sunflare. They form the new assassin group to safeguard the pieces of Eden, etc. Credits start to roll, happy ending, the world lives on without the power of the pieces of Eden influencing it, and all is well with singing birds, etc.
Then after the credits are done rolling, everything evaporates into a nifty special effect, and you are in first person view. You are seeing through the eyes of someone who is meditating in the middle of an utterly devastated landscape with a few people standing around you looking like disciples. You stand up, the screen fades away.
You were reliving the memories of Desmond, who was reliving the memories of his ancestor, so you could find the pieces of Eden in a ravaged world where humanity failed to stop the "next" solar flare thousands of years after Desmond's time, so the world could be rebuilt.
Fin
Desmond and Co. discover all the details, defeat Abstergo, use the tech to stop the sunflare. They form the new assassin group to safeguard the pieces of Eden, etc. Credits start to roll, happy ending, the world lives on without the power of the pieces of Eden influencing it, and all is well with singing birds, etc.
Then after the credits are done rolling, everything evaporates into a nifty special effect, and you are in first person view. You are seeing through the eyes of someone who is meditating in the middle of an utterly devastated landscape with a few people standing around you looking like disciples. You stand up, the screen fades away.
You were reliving the memories of Desmond, who was reliving the memories of his ancestor, so you could find the pieces of Eden in a ravaged world where humanity failed to stop the "next" solar flare thousands of years after Desmond's time, so the world could be rebuilt.
Fin
I must've been tired, I didn't notice the 4th wall breaking AT ALL :lol Cool stuff though. I want a shit ton more Desmond story next time. I absolutely love duckroll's AC3 idea a few pages back. Desmond's present day seems like the most logical choice for a locale, without turning into Crackdown, matrix jumping between scyscrapers. Though I wouldn't mind that either
Wanna bet that Desmond's future looks similar to Mirror's Edge? :lol
Wanna bet that Desmond's future looks similar to Mirror's Edge? :lol
bodyofanamerican
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oops wrong thread
Ether_Snake
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Nah present would be stupid. It's good only if you have Desmond and co. looking for vaults in the present and making them like the PoP-style environments of AC2. The rest should be in the past.
Also, I would allow the player to disconnect from the Animus willingly, for bonus content and whatever, so that people who like that part of the game can also go through it for extra content when they want, more character development, etc.
I want Greece, Rome, or Atlantis (you can still have flying machines, hidden gun, etc., in Atlantis)!
Also, any of the gadgets in AC2 are actually based on old secrets, so it would be fine if they existed even in the past before AC1.
I don't think so. You can see outside the windows and it looks like Rome. Actually, Desmond and co. are definitly in Italy (all signs in Abstergo in the parking-lot are in Italian, and the buildings outside the hideout are like in Ezio's Italy).
Also, I would allow the player to disconnect from the Animus willingly, for bonus content and whatever, so that people who like that part of the game can also go through it for extra content when they want, more character development, etc.
I want Greece, Rome, or Atlantis (you can still have flying machines, hidden gun, etc., in Atlantis)!
Also, any of the gadgets in AC2 are actually based on old secrets, so it would be fine if they existed even in the past before AC1.
Minamu said:I must've been tired, I didn't notice the 4th wall breaking AT ALL :lol Cool stuff though. I want a shit ton more Desmond story next time. I absolutely love duckroll's AC3 idea a few pages back. Desmond's present day seems like the most logical choice for a locale, without turning into Crackdown, matrix jumping between scyscrapers. Though I wouldn't mind that either
Wanna bet that Desmond's future looks similar to Mirror's Edge? :lol
I don't think so. You can see outside the windows and it looks like Rome. Actually, Desmond and co. are definitly in Italy (all signs in Abstergo in the parking-lot are in Italian, and the buildings outside the hideout are like in Ezio's Italy).
iamcool388
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Ether_Snake said:Here's how I would end AC3:
Desmond and Co. discover all the details, defeat Abstergo, use the tech to stop the sunflare. They form the new assassin group to safeguard the pieces of Eden, etc. Credits start to roll, happy ending, the world lives on without the power of the pieces of Eden influencing it, and all is well with singing birds, etc.
Then after the credits are done rolling, everything evaporates into a nifty special effect, and you are in first person view. You are seeing through the eyes of someone who is meditating in the middle of an utterly devastated landscape with a few people standing around you looking like disciples. You stand up, the screen fades away.
You were reliving the memories of Desmond, who was reliving the memories of his ancestor, so you could find the pieces of Eden in a ravaged world where humanity failed to stop the "next" solar flare thousands of years after Desmond's time, so the world could be rebuilt.
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Sign me up for this mindfuck Day 1.
man, this really makes ac3 anticipated. it's pretty a cliffhanger.
i wonder how much gameplay will be in modern times next game.
i wonder how much gameplay will be in modern times next game.
this really does sound awesome. the game has so much potential.Ether_Snake said:Here's how I would end AC3:
Desmond and Co. discover all the details, defeat Abstergo, use the tech to stop the sunflare. They form the new assassin group to safeguard the pieces of Eden, etc. Credits start to roll, happy ending, the world lives on without the power of the pieces of Eden influencing it, and all is well with singing birds, etc.
Then after the credits are done rolling, everything evaporates into a nifty special effect, and you are in first person view. You are seeing through the eyes of someone who is meditating in the middle of an utterly devastated landscape with a few people standing around you looking like disciples. You stand up, the screen fades away.
You were reliving the memories of Desmond, who was reliving the memories of his ancestor, so you could find the pieces of Eden in a ravaged world where humanity failed to stop the "next" solar flare thousands of years after Desmond's time, so the world could be rebuilt. so many directions to go with the story.
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Well it seems like a certainty that Desmond and co. will have to get the piece of eden and such to stop the flare, while the templars (who might not be aware of the catastrophe, a bit of a parrallel with how TWCB were not paying attention when it happened in their time) are just trying to take over mankind's future. We can imagine the templars will be defeated and the solar flare stopped.
They could destroy any of the pieces of eden or some such too, or it will be a "we avoided the solar flare, but must now prevent others from using the pieces of eden". I don't see how the story could continue really. That would be a bit lame, the story would get too complex by then and end in an MGS-clusterfuck. I say after AC3, reboot the series. Start from a clean slate. Same overall theme, but a whole new story.
They could destroy any of the pieces of eden or some such too, or it will be a "we avoided the solar flare, but must now prevent others from using the pieces of eden". I don't see how the story could continue really. That would be a bit lame, the story would get too complex by then and end in an MGS-clusterfuck. I say after AC3, reboot the series. Start from a clean slate. Same overall theme, but a whole new story.
GotchaForce
Member
They might as well do a Sly Cooper cross-over, would be only slightly less wacky than the story so far:lol
I'm not sure I like where I *think* they're going with the story. I mean, the first two games are all about your assassin clan taking down the Templars, a secret organization that have run the governments of the world throughout history, including the ancient locales you visit as Altair and Ezio.
And then at the end of AC2, Lucy's all: "the Templars aren't our our biggest threat, not by a longshot. Our biggest threat is the sun. The earth's magnetic field is weakening. A strong flare could flip the poles and cause a geomagnetic reversal."
Err. kind of a disconnect, you know? And also it seems like you just trivialized the accomplishments of the first two games. To add to this, I couldn't care less if this fictional version of earth gets cooked by the sun. What I am invested in (after playing the first two games) is taking down the templars once and for all, and i hope the third game focuses on that instead of the impending geomagnetic pole reversal.
Also, expand on The Truth. It's a shame that Minerva started going into solar flares instead of expanding more on the origin of humans and what subject 16 was trying to tell us. The third game could focus on exposing the lie. What would happen if the truth was revealed to all of humankind...what would the effects be? Would there be a huge revolt? What would happen to religion, etc.
That's just my opinion. Although really, I have no idea what the third game is going to be like or where it will take place.
And then at the end of AC2, Lucy's all: "the Templars aren't our our biggest threat, not by a longshot. Our biggest threat is the sun. The earth's magnetic field is weakening. A strong flare could flip the poles and cause a geomagnetic reversal."
Err. kind of a disconnect, you know? And also it seems like you just trivialized the accomplishments of the first two games. To add to this, I couldn't care less if this fictional version of earth gets cooked by the sun. What I am invested in (after playing the first two games) is taking down the templars once and for all, and i hope the third game focuses on that instead of the impending geomagnetic pole reversal.
Also, expand on The Truth. It's a shame that Minerva started going into solar flares instead of expanding more on the origin of humans and what subject 16 was trying to tell us. The third game could focus on exposing the lie. What would happen if the truth was revealed to all of humankind...what would the effects be? Would there be a huge revolt? What would happen to religion, etc.
That's just my opinion. Although really, I have no idea what the third game is going to be like or where it will take place.
Crazymoogle
Member
It definitely was a bit of a disconnect, insofar as that it`s something there isn`t even really a hint to. But there are plenty of big gaping story issues to help figure that out later though; the origin and purpose of the Templars, for instance.
As for the name thing; I dunno; it seems pretty trivial to me that the first civilization could have coded such a message to speak to the target in wildcard terms; that way they wouldn`t need to know the persons name at all. It`s literally a case of hit the place in memory where your name is. How they could have forecasted the message is a more troubling thought.
As for the name thing; I dunno; it seems pretty trivial to me that the first civilization could have coded such a message to speak to the target in wildcard terms; that way they wouldn`t need to know the persons name at all. It`s literally a case of hit the place in memory where your name is. How they could have forecasted the message is a more troubling thought.
Young Nobleman Of Sadness
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duckroll said:
The absurdity of the scenario reminded me of the final battle againtst Solidus in MGS2...
Good idea. Poorly executed.
The rushed ending kinda ruined the ending for me... ("Corrupted data"? Bullshit. )
It's epic when you realise that you're next target is now the most important man in the face or earth... And having Rome as a complete city would have been glorious.
By the way, just to clarify... The Truth video seemed to belong to the Subject 12, not 16 as someone said before...
Besides, there's something I've been wondering...
Lucy kept saying that 16 got obsessed with the Renaissance,
She knew that Desmond had an ancestor in that period...
When we first enter the old animus in the game, there seems to be ADN coincidences between Subjects 16 and 17....
So...
¿Maybe 16 ancestor appears in the game? Leonardo? Borgia?
Also, WTF at Maquiavelo's liitle relevance to the plot.
It's subject 16's.
And Machiavelli is the main evidence that a fuckbunch of content has been cut to make the launch date. I remember Patrice Desilets making a big deal about how you would be helped by DaVinci and Machiavelli throughout the course of the game...and well the guy doesn't help you ever.
And Machiavelli is the main evidence that a fuckbunch of content has been cut to make the launch date. I remember Patrice Desilets making a big deal about how you would be helped by DaVinci and Machiavelli throughout the course of the game...and well the guy doesn't help you ever.
indigo-cyclops
Member
Vilix said:
Listen to this show almost every night. Great show and never ceases to lose my interest. I personally see nothing wrong with stories like this and I think, sometimes, it's just too far-fetched/unbelievable for people. I can see how someone who doesn't think about these out-there concepts would find the story laughable.
Maybe 'the ones that came before" were Lumerians/Atlantians?
The lore goes that over a few million years ago Lumeria was a continent somewhere in the Pacific and Atlantis was its island counter part in the Atlantic. These continents were special in that they sat atop a large pocket of some special type of gas. This gas allowed the two cultures to become highly advanced very quickly. The rest of world lacked this gas so most of these Lumerians/atlantians never ventured to "mainlands".
Humanity was living on the mainland though. There have been toys found in Egyptian crypts that depict flying machines like modern day fighter craft. There are also descriptions of similar occurrences in ancient Sumerian and Indian writings. In fact, one of the oldest written records in India describes something eerily similar to an atomic bomb blast.
Anyways, as the story goes Lumeria used too much of the gas too quickly and the huge cavity in the earth collapsed the the continent into the sea. The only thing left behind were are few islands in the pacific (Phillipeans).
Atlanteans fearful they would fall to the same fate halted their wanton use of the gas. Due to this their civilization lasted much longer but eventually they too succumbed to the sea.
I probably got some of the legend wrong but that's the gist of it I think.
The lore goes that over a few million years ago Lumeria was a continent somewhere in the Pacific and Atlantis was its island counter part in the Atlantic. These continents were special in that they sat atop a large pocket of some special type of gas. This gas allowed the two cultures to become highly advanced very quickly. The rest of world lacked this gas so most of these Lumerians/atlantians never ventured to "mainlands".
Humanity was living on the mainland though. There have been toys found in Egyptian crypts that depict flying machines like modern day fighter craft. There are also descriptions of similar occurrences in ancient Sumerian and Indian writings. In fact, one of the oldest written records in India describes something eerily similar to an atomic bomb blast.
Anyways, as the story goes Lumeria used too much of the gas too quickly and the huge cavity in the earth collapsed the the continent into the sea. The only thing left behind were are few islands in the pacific (Phillipeans).
Atlanteans fearful they would fall to the same fate halted their wanton use of the gas. Due to this their civilization lasted much longer but eventually they too succumbed to the sea.
I probably got some of the legend wrong but that's the gist of it I think.
mr afghan jones
Neo Member
Dotn think they would go full on Desmond for 3, he is such a faceless goon, you need someone with the flair of Ezio to really carry the story along. Without that personal story of " Hello, my name is Ezio Auditore, you killa my father, prepare to die." it just loses something. Desmonds struggle is just much less affecting.
If they were gonna go full on Desmond for AC3 I would have had him get it together with Lucy and then have her die either quite early in AC3 or at the end of AC2. Give it all that more personal edge.
If they were gonna go full on Desmond for AC3 I would have had him get it together with Lucy and then have her die either quite early in AC3 or at the end of AC2. Give it all that more personal edge.
ScrabbleBanshee
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I think we've had enough of the swordplay formula, I don't know where they can go from here that isn't more of the same.
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Ether_Snake said:
I know this is nit picking but it's Al Mualim (The Teacher/Instructor in Arabic). I don't remember that codex page well but if I'm not mistaken, he was against having the parents be with the children and showing them love/care since that would soften them or some thing to that effect.