Mr Moose
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They look good until you click them.
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Assassin's Creed Unity Leaker calls out to Neogaf/provides clarification on graphics
- Thread starter Crossing Eden
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They look good until you click them.
I posted captures earlier of the other 900p PS4 game, and they looked terrible too. It doesn't look anywhere near as bad as that in game.
I get the complaints about the IQ. It is very blurry.
Complaints about the graphics in general? Beyond the fact that the crowds have some slightly jarring graphical bugs, I genuinely don't understand how someone could think that the game is ugly.
Like, f'real, this is supposed to be a bad character model? Are you people being serious or is there some joke I haven't been let it on?
Complaints about the graphics in general? Beyond the fact that the crowds have some slightly jarring graphical bugs, I genuinely don't understand how someone could think that the game is ugly.
Like, f'real, this is supposed to be a bad character model? Are you people being serious or is there some joke I haven't been let it on?
nobodyshero
Banned
What the hell is up with the blur? Why do the images look so soft, that's what I want to know.
Really hope the blurriness is from slightly wider reconstruction filter as it would mean a reasonably stable image quality in moving image.
Ubisoft has plenty of really talented people, I'm sure they know the tradeoffs in graphics.
IMHO, stable image is more important than small details, if it's possible to do the choice.
Ubisoft has plenty of really talented people, I'm sure they know the tradeoffs in graphics.
IMHO, stable image is more important than small details, if it's possible to do the choice.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
The facial and character animation alone in Unity looks better. Come on now.
eso76
Member
if you only care about iq when watching screengrabs on your pc monitor maybe.
if you guys can't even see how ACU graphics are a substantial evolution over past AC's then this is hopeless.
The funny thing is that gif looks prettier than anything we've seen of these leaked screenshots.
Who cares if the animation is better if the entire scene is blurry as hell, image quality overall is shit, and they got rid of a lot of the lighting/reflections that they showed off at the game's reveal?
Broder Salsa
Banned
One thing he says that is absolutely true is:
"It is limited by a 400 euros hardware"
If you really care that much about graphical power, then consoles aren't exactly the way to go.
It's not terrible, but it's certainly not impressive in any way either.
"It is limited by a 400 euros hardware"
If you really care that much about graphical power, then consoles aren't exactly the way to go.
I get the complaints about the IQ. It is very blurry.
Complaints about the graphics in general? Beyond the fact that the crowds have some slightly jarring graphical bugs, I genuinely don't understand how someone could think that the game is ugly.
Like, f'real, this is supposed to be a bad character model? Are you people being serious or is there some joke I haven't been let it on?
It's not terrible, but it's certainly not impressive in any way either.
Those BF4 shots, while a mess of the lack of AA and low resolution, don't look blurry though. It's the blurriness that I'm trying to figure out in these ACU shots.
They messed up with a shitty AA, they probably lowered the textures and some models, and 900p.
Indeed, only important metric is overall quality of moving picture.
To all Ubisoft guys it seems like you do terrific job.
Windom Earle
Member
Fair enough, but why did Ubi demo the PC version at the MS conference if it does not represent console quality settings?
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I get the complaints about the IQ. It is very blurry.
Complaints about the graphics in general? Beyond the fact that the crowds have some slightly jarring graphical bugs, I genuinely don't understand how someone could think that the game is ugly.
Like, f'real, this is supposed to be a bad character model? Are you people being serious or is there some joke I haven't been let it on?
For what it's worth, I'm with you on this. The image quality is disappointing compared to previous fakery, but holistically it's a very pretty game. Great artwork, detail, and light design (whether it's real-time or baked - I don't care). It's kind of weird to me that there are so many people who seem to judge a game's appearance based solely on texture resolution and edge crispness. It's like some kind of graphics autism where only those two features are perceivable.
If all the outrage is based purely on the implicit comparison to earlier faked (or PC spec) footage, then I guess I understand it, but to not see any of the positive qualities that remain is silly to me.
This is a terrible way to defend a shitty looking product. It's not the hardware's fault they consistently downgrade their games from their initial reveal. It's Ubisoft's.
publicpwnerer
Member
If only the majority of GAF actually understood that.
As I keep saying. Outside of The Order / Uncharted, this generation won't be defined by it's graphics..but by scope. AC already did a big open world last gen. Now we're getting 1:1 scale and unprecedented crowds.
The Arkham games were criticised for their lack of populace. I imagine that won't be a problem in really ambitious AAA games this gen. If you came looking for the graphical output of the $2500+ PC Ubisoft showcases it's games on, you'll be sorely disappointed.
AnthonypUK
Member
have you played it?
The Shogun
Banned
The lighting and overall quality of footage shown is far worse than the reveal.
Game still looks good but come on.
Game still looks good but come on.
do you have the final game? care to upload a video of free roam?
Edit: Nice ninja edit skills.
Well at least in terms of clothing and face details that's a 2011-2012 PS3 level of detail.I get the complaints about the IQ. It is very blurry.
Complaints about the graphics in general? Beyond the fact that the crowds have some slightly jarring graphical bugs, I genuinely don't understand how someone could think that the game is ugly.
Like, f'real, this is supposed to be a bad character model? Are you people being serious or is there some joke I haven't been let it on?
The lighting and overall quality of footage shown is far worse than the reveal.
Game still looks good but come on.
Ubisoft vertical slice from a trade show looks better than the final release? Shocking!
The lighting and overall quality of footage shown is far worse than the reveal.
Game still looks good but come on.
Yeah the initial reveal almost looks like a completely different game in terms of quality. I don't wan to support a company that consistently pulls this bullshit.
SuperSonic1305
Member
It looks like the textures are made of play dough.
8GB of unified memory will only get you so far. You need something beefier than the PS4 CPU for scope. This generation will be defined by it's bigger cell size, everything else is worse than what last gen offered for it's time.
The Shogun
Banned
.......thats my point. Ubi is the worst in the industry when it comes to showing a decent representation of their games. They go beyond bull shot to flat out making demos that aren't reflective of their games at all.
The lighting and overall quality of footage shown is far worse than the reveal.
Game still looks good but come on.
This is the PC version. We haven't seen it yet.
The issues seen here are not caused by jpeg screen cap degradation, not even close. If anything a jpeg cap will show less artifacts on these because the underlying textures have been blurred to make them compress better and take less bandwidth.
What may have happened here, is they had to drastically reduce the detail of the textures so they could get the performance up to par at 900p on Xbone and then used the same assets on PS4. I bet the PC version looks nowhere near this bad unless you choose low quality textures.
Now some people will say "ridiculous" but we already know Ubi purposefully aimed for console parity and 100% this is not jpeg or compression artifacts. It looks like they blurred all of the base textures for more efficient compression and less bandwidth use.
It's not some botched AA solution either, it's the base textures.
What may have happened here, is they had to drastically reduce the detail of the textures so they could get the performance up to par at 900p on Xbone and then used the same assets on PS4. I bet the PC version looks nowhere near this bad unless you choose low quality textures.
Now some people will say "ridiculous" but we already know Ubi purposefully aimed for console parity and 100% this is not jpeg or compression artifacts. It looks like they blurred all of the base textures for more efficient compression and less bandwidth use.
It's not some botched AA solution either, it's the base textures.
There's the NVIDIA video.
Which i think looks pretty great.
It's just the console versions that aren't looking so hot, i guess.
Assuming that's how the PC version will look, that is.
Even that video doesn't look as good as that teaser, but we knew that already, as more recent media already was far from that.
eso76
Member
Indeed, only important metric is overall quality of moving picture.
To all Ubisoft guys it seems like you do terrific job.
i've said this before and i still firmly believe that softer IQ beats jaggies, shimmering and crawling pixels
A lot of that probably depends on your setup, but i still think overall image consistency is the most important thing. Sharpness isnt, unless you just need to show off your new tv
I disagree. Unity has much higher quality assets and bigger scope than any previous gen AC.
6GB of usable RAM means next to no loading times for once, and more as developpers get familiar with the hardware.
My worries with regards to this new generation are not at all related to graphics, but business models.
I think it compares pretty favourably with any current-gen game I've played.
Even the walkthroughs they released since E3 didn't look like thatThe lighting and overall quality of footage shown is far worse than the reveal.
Game still looks good but come on.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Story trailer
Actual game with ps4 screenshot feature from the french site.
Hardly an "extreme downgrade."
Think some people are exaggerating.
The lighting looks too clean but otherwise looks quite good in the video I saw. I'm not sure what everyone's referring to, I assume it's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J9sObzVCv8
PS4 isn't magic, seems like they have a lot of NPCs and decent environments. Lighting and shadows on people makes it look sterile or flat.
--might not be the lighting...not sure what's giving it that look. Maybe it's just the resolution, and compression from youtube.
PS4 isn't magic, seems like they have a lot of NPCs and decent environments. Lighting and shadows on people makes it look sterile or flat.
--might not be the lighting...not sure what's giving it that look. Maybe it's just the resolution, and compression from youtube.
"It looks like any other game, I guess. It's all right." 10/10 - IGN.com
Glowing praise.
Well, thanks for sharing.
Our Guillemot said they've shown the PC version at gaming events like E3 and Gamescom.
Story trailer
Actual game with ps4 screenshot feature from the french site.
Hardly an "extreme downgrade."
Think some people are exaggerating.
Again, the difference i would expect from PC on "ultra" settings and PS4.
Of course for a trailer they'll use the best version they have.
It still doesn't show lighting on character models which may be the thing looking the worst at the moment. [Actually I'm not sure it's the lighting specifically]
It does look crazy good in that gif.
Don't thank me, I'm not the one making a bland comparative apology for AC: Unity.
LumpOfCole
Member
Vanity made the Resolution; liberty was only a pretext.
neogaffer1
Banned
It really doesn't. Trust me.
Sure, but even then when you're surrounding in a stronghold by dozens of orcs Mordor still looks way better. I don't know about framerate (played SOM at roughly console-level settings locked to 30 and I still encountered a few drops) but I was still more impressed with Mordor than I ever was with ACU.
eso76
Member
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Just from the xb1 previews AC Unity has the advantage, does Shadow of Mordor use facial capture?