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Backward Compatibility And The Double Edged Sword That It Is
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ph33rknot
Banned
or maybe you play hzd2 and it's ass they just messed it up bad but you need to scratch that itch so you play the first one again and you don't even have to drag the ps4 out
ThatOneGrunt
Member
Isn’t that because it cost too much to put a ps2 cpu in every ps3? And then the PS3 has its issues with CELL so emulation is even harder there.Sony already did and I could never care about even after they removed it
nikolino840
Member
So...if Sony made a ps5 hzd remaster you are not interested to buy right?
How many PS3 remastered you have on your ps4?
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ethomaz
Banned
Hey tried some ways... full hardware, only CPU, and full emulation to the end remove it completely.
The best BC are the launch model with full PS2 CPU/GPU.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
This is kind of what Microsoft is banking on: by offering backwards compatibility for their old catalogue along with not-insignificant upgrades to the games, they can compensate for an overall lack of new titles. Almost every new system suffers from this problem after it launches. To be able to use enhanced versions of your old games may not have been as important in the past because a big part of upgrading your system was to play drastically improved games. Nowadays, the payoff for graphical advancement is smaller and smaller.
The mid-gen upgrades like New 3DS, X1X, and PS4 Pro demonstrate that customers are willing to buy new hardware if it plays their older games better. If a brand-new next-gen PS5 can play my old games better than even a PS4 Pro, why not just get a PS5? I could have zero intention of buying new PS5 games yet that'd be a good value proposition to me.
Nowadays, a lot of people just wants a box that plays Minecraft, Fortnite, Rocket League, and a few other titles throughout the year. If future consoles can entice retro gamers with definitive hardware for playing their old games, they're more likely to buy your system and perhaps buy a few more new games as well. It's all about getting people tied into your ecosystem in today's market.
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DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
The attach rate for PS4 owners is about 9.6 games. Since we know there are tons of PS4 gamers who own far more than 10 games, that means a lot of households only have three to five games (the Minecraft, Fortnite, and yearly Madden players I mentioned above).
The players who own more than the average are your "hardcore" customers who are already locked into your ecosystem. Getting them onboard is easy whether you have backwards compatibility or not. The people who own fewer than 10 games aren't interested in a new system with a ton of new, foreign games. They are typically your late adopters. However, maybe you can entice them with "this plays your whole library with a lot of extra enhancements, too".
BC hasn't made a huge difference so far, but maybe this time it'll be different.
The players who own more than the average are your "hardcore" customers who are already locked into your ecosystem. Getting them onboard is easy whether you have backwards compatibility or not. The people who own fewer than 10 games aren't interested in a new system with a ton of new, foreign games. They are typically your late adopters. However, maybe you can entice them with "this plays your whole library with a lot of extra enhancements, too".
BC hasn't made a huge difference so far, but maybe this time it'll be different.
Winter John
Gold Member
I have more than 10 games and getting me "onboard" won't be happening if the PS5 doesn't offer bc. The reason bc hasn't made a big difference so far on consoles is because digital game librarys weren't a big thing in previous console gens. Now they are and it's ridiculous to expect people, especially hardcore gamers to give them up and just move on. Try doing that with pc owners and there'd be riots
I think BC will be a valuable tool for both Microsoft and Sony this upcoming generation to help ensure that your hardcore user base stays on board with you into the next gen instead of switching to the competition.
For example; you might be tempted to switch to XBOX knowing all the studios the Microsoft has recently bought. However the idea of holding on to your previous gen Sony libraries may be help entice you to stay on board with Sony as well.
For example; you might be tempted to switch to XBOX knowing all the studios the Microsoft has recently bought. However the idea of holding on to your previous gen Sony libraries may be help entice you to stay on board with Sony as well.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
So you're saying as a current owner of PS4 and as an above-average customer of their brand, you won't be sticking with this brand unless your existing games are supported?
RedVIper
Banned
As I consumer I really think consoles should have BC.
As a business I would think BC is a good idea because it keeps people locked in your ecosystem, if I have a bunch of games on my ps4 and they're supported on ps5, I'm much less likely to switch to the green team where I'd be unable to play those games.
As a business I would think BC is a good idea because it keeps people locked in your ecosystem, if I have a bunch of games on my ps4 and they're supported on ps5, I'm much less likely to switch to the green team where I'd be unable to play those games.
It means more going forward because we are approaching the end of Moore's Law unless there is some significant new development in technology, they'll be releasing NEW PS4 games for quite some time, the PS5 could easily be around 12+ years and be relevant. The differences between gens is basically a resolution and framerate ability, although raytracking could be a slight difference maker, imo.
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1) History before of this generation says that first 2 months games sell 80% sales. But now with digital sales, people are buying games 3-5 years old. Current market is pretty different from older generations.
2) Remasters have been doing great this generation.
3) With current aggressive sales people are doing a huge backlogs digitally, do you think people will lose those games gladly?
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Angry_Megalodon
Member
BC is a good feature but by no means is a primary purchasing factor.
However, with the rise of MP, services, digital libraries and the like now it is worth it for every platform to be BC so that they may keep the user base more easily. it's convenient for the user and it translates into more sales for companies. Win-win to me.
On other note, I think we all know that BC, like crossplay, will stop being important as soon as Sony adopts it.
However, with the rise of MP, services, digital libraries and the like now it is worth it for every platform to be BC so that they may keep the user base more easily. it's convenient for the user and it translates into more sales for companies. Win-win to me.
On other note, I think we all know that BC, like crossplay, will stop being important as soon as Sony adopts it.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Gamers go back to play timeless classics, that’s the reason Backwards compatibility remains such a highly desirable feature.
Baron Samedi
Member
I can only speak for myself, I have used BC a lot and now I can't imagine going into the next gen without keeping those OG Xbox, 360 and XBO games.
Winter John
Gold Member
Absolutely. I'll either move to pc or back to the XBox. I don't understand why people think bc on consoles is some kind of outlandish feature that no one would want. As I've already said it's a standard on pc. If people bought a new pc or IPad and discovered they couldn't play their Steam or IOS games there would be mass outrage. I don't see why it should be any different for consoles these days.
Komatsu
Member
I would not have bought PS2 without PS1 BC and a Wii would have been a way less enticing prospect if I couldn't play my GC library in there as well. BC was a huge thing in the 2000s, which is why the original fat PS3 could play PS1 and PS2 games out of the box. In fact, the only home machine Sony has ever produced that does not play PS1 discs is precisely the PS4.
Many parents back then made their big, one-per-generation purchase of a console for their kids taking into consideration whether Jimmy or Sallie would be able to play the dozens of discs they already owned in the new machine.
Sure, the gaming landscape has changed a lot since then, but still most families would definitively take that into consideration.
Many parents back then made their big, one-per-generation purchase of a console for their kids taking into consideration whether Jimmy or Sallie would be able to play the dozens of discs they already owned in the new machine.
Sure, the gaming landscape has changed a lot since then, but still most families would definitively take that into consideration.
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ReBurn
Gold Member
I would be absolutely thrilled if I could play my PS3 and PS4 digital libraries on PS5. If that's a feature then I'm there day 1 with cash in hand. I have so many digital games on PS3. I keep one in my entertainment center so I have my Mass Effect collection with full DLC there when I want it.
A lot of people trot out the new console/new games speech, but good games don't stop being good because they're old. Some games deserve to live on forever.
A lot of people trot out the new console/new games speech, but good games don't stop being good because they're old. Some games deserve to live on forever.
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TwiztidElf
Member
Despite all of the hot air of some of the community, Xbox has the best BC and is still last this gen.
SlashBringingHasher
Banned
honestly. i just want to play older gen games at constant framerate. also. i dont want to have many consoles out
I dont want to go out and buy a used ps3 or an overpriced new PS3 when my old console dies eventually.
BC used to be a thing every generatiion upto the 6th console gen.
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