Kataploom
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Bayonetta 3 on Switch - DF Tech Review - A Great Game with Polish & Performance Issues
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Danjin44
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I’m not allowed to love Switch? This year alone I got bunch of games I highly enjoyed, but your logic is I shouldn’t enjoy them because of graphics?
TexMex
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It is perfectly reasonable to be able to love games on the Switch while also being able to acknowledge that is objectively a bad, woefully outdated piece of hardware.
Danjin44
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Sorry unlike most people in GAF I’m not all that obsess with graphics so Switch not being powerful doesn’t really bother me. I own both PS5 and Switch but I’m playing more on my Switch than I’m with PS5, to me graphics is not all that important as long as it has games I care about.
ParaSeoul
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Last time I said anything negative about this game,I got the hammer so take the hits for me.
Chukhopops
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I had a quick look at just the metacritic summary page and found six reviews mentioning technical issues in the drawbacks. Whether it impacted the score is impossible to prove but it looks like it did.
TexMex
Member
It doesn’t have to “bother” you for you to be able to objectively acknowledge that it is also a painfully outdated piece of hardware. You’re very hung up on how much you like the games. That’s completely fine. I like some of the games! That has nothing to do with talking about the massive shortcomings of the hardware.
Danjin44
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Again I’m personally not bother by fact Switch is not as powerful as PS5, it might bothers you but not me.
lame gag1990
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Just play the fucking game. Ocarina of Time ran at 20 fps and no one gave a fuck. We just played the game and enjoyed it. Goldeneye ran at 20 fps and no one gave a fuck. We enjoyed the game. Just fucking play it and enjoy it. You won't give a fuck when you're playing it.
In this day and age , we play framerates
When I played NES and GB, slow down was a feature ! And it was glorious.
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We literally do... always have. I don't know why N64 games are always brought up to minimize the importance of framerate when literally any game on that console would be vastly improved even at 30fps. Try playing Perfect Day today.In this day and age , we play framerates
Dr.D00p
Member
True enough when it launched, never mind 5yrs later...
Art The Clown
Banned
gonna pick this up after I finish bayo 2 on the switch.
The switch came out with a good batch of great games this year and according to reviews this is one of them.
The switch came out with a good batch of great games this year and according to reviews this is one of them.
Keihart
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game looks amazing for a switch game.
Aesthetically it looks really good for any platform.
The IQ is trash, if you are a fan of counting pixels, you'll be dissapointed.
Performance is more than good, most of the time at 60 on battles, when it dips it's not long and not when it matters.
The game could be better on a more powerfull platform, but no one funds games this crazy, so it is what it is.
this is the Bayonetta with best production values, the animations are something else, and the reuse of assets is not as strong as previous games. The game not only adds a bunch of new enemies and mechanics but retrofits what there was before so there is a shit ton of enemies and shit.
Aesthetically it looks really good for any platform.
The IQ is trash, if you are a fan of counting pixels, you'll be dissapointed.
Performance is more than good, most of the time at 60 on battles, when it dips it's not long and not when it matters.
The game could be better on a more powerfull platform, but no one funds games this crazy, so it is what it is.
this is the Bayonetta with best production values, the animations are something else, and the reuse of assets is not as strong as previous games. The game not only adds a bunch of new enemies and mechanics but retrofits what there was before so there is a shit ton of enemies and shit.
Azurro
Banned
What other competition? It has the handheld market all for itself, it doesn't compete directly with consoles or PC.
Keihart
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this game looks like hot trash compared to Bayo 3.Yes the next gen version will be here soon though, Project Eve... Stellar Blade.
Al lthe IQ in the world can't make that look good, the assets and the art direction are not at the level.
PeteBull
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If only bayo 3 came out for ps5/xss/xsx instead, u would have bayo playstyle/artstyle + hardware actually strong enough to not gimp games performance/ artistic vision of the dev studio who made it =/
Majukun
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they haven't even lowered the price on the base switch yet..or offered game bundles...there's no reason for them to release a new console
Kabelly
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The art direction for Bayo 3 is ghastly.
Hobbygaming
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rofif
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can't wait !Yes the next gen version will be here soon though, Project Eve... Stellar Blade.
NeoIkaruGAF
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How long yet until you and some other people acknowledge that the makers of your “actually strong enough“ hardware don’t feel they need games like Bayonetta to diversify their offer, and if it were for them, Bayonetta wouldn’t even have made it to a second game?
Bayonetta 3 exists because the Switch exists. It is what it is. I see the “stealing our games” salt mine is still in activity, 8 years later.
PeteBull
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Nah man, for me it would be fine if ninny had actual stationary console or soon switch 2, or even pc, basically any device when devs dont need to feel so constrained, and dont tell me its impossible, even cheap casual orientend stationary console, like 2years old xss, would be plenty for bayo 3 to spread its wings, just want nintendo to give us gamers an option to play it on something stronger than switch, which is about 1/3rd of xbox one which was very weak and outdated even back at its launch in 2013, imagine now, by the end of 2022, i think its very rational request
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Phil_the_goat
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That doesnt mean anything. Switch 2 will be just more expensive
There are plenty of reasons to release new hardware. Maybe they could get 3rd party support if they dont release a calculator this time.p
Impotaku
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It’s funny watching those babies get mad because it’s switch exclusive the amount of concern trolling is on full display, maybe they should have gotten mad at Microsoft & sony way back when platinum approached both for an opportunity to make a sequel and both said no to them hence no bayo 2/3 for non Nintendo platforms if it wasn’t for Nintendo offering cash bayonetta would have only been one game and faded into obscurity.
PonyStation4
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Both the assets and art direction look better than Bayonetta 3. I'm struggling to see why you call that game hot trash, when Bayonetta 3 is just a sea of mud?
PonyStation4
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I'll play it when it drops to $15 or when it hits Steam as the Nvidia looks show that it will.
RoadHazard
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Those are ports of games from much more powerful consoles (basically they are ported back a full generation in terms of raw power). This is a game made specifically for the Switch, but it doesn't look or run like it.
Majukun
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since it's still gonna work as portable machine, they can't possibly release something that wouldn't need ad hoc, expensive conversions that will third parties think twice before releasing multiplatform there.That doesnt mean anything. Switch 2 will be just more expensive
in terms of making it more expensive, the higher the price is, the closer it gets to xbox and ps and becomes a progressively harder sell,even with portability
PaintTinJr
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This is where I have issues with DF. Normal maps on Switch - PS3/360 - occasionally is the situation, but Normal maps on OG Xbox, when everything from their texture formats to hardware acceleration was setup for integer formats like using lower quality bump mapping. OG Xbox was almost certainly bump mapping, not normal maps. The only real question is probably whether the Switch in this situation is also using cheaper bump mapping too.
Yeah but that was how many years ago? I loved my N64 back then. I was a kid and now today standards are higher. I played a lot of Ocarina, Goldeneye and etc. Loved all of those games and enjoyed them. Back then as a kid with the N64 did i care about FPS drops? No. Did a noticed? No. Now i stopped playing Elden Ring because of the FPS drops. I did affect the gameplay and the smoothest of the gameplay. I decided to wait for the PS5 VRR update and it was worthy 100%.
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We play it, and enjoy it , for what it is .. nowadays almost no one can enjoy stuff without complaining..
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Neff
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Can we please stop acknowledging Switch is one of the best-selling and most popular gaming systems of all time or no
KingT731
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Nahh it's because we ere playing on CRT tvs with better response times. Those game did run like ass and we all knew they did lol.
Fbh
Member
My copy got delivered during the day so I got to play yesterday when I got home.
The game itself is really fun so far, played for about 2 hours and they flew by. And honestly the performance didn't bother me too much, yeah you can tell it's nowhere close 60fps but it still plays fine.
But holy fuck is it ugly, haven't been this distracted by blurry and muddy visuals in a while, I'm actually considering finishing it in handheld mode because even though it's like 480p it looks much sharper on the small screen than on my 55" TV. Early on you reach this island with a slightly open environment and with the blurry visuals, muddy textures and pop in it really did feel like an original Xbox game.
Also I redownloaded Bayonetta 2 to compare and even though I know DF says it runs at a lower resolution I swear it looks sharper, I think because the environments are smaller and the camera is more zoomed in, so you see more details on the characters.
So yeah fun game but IMO the horrible IQ is 10 times worse than the uneven framerate.
It targets 60fps so theoretically it should at least reached locked 60fps on a hypothetical Switch 2 with backwards compatibility.
I think the MUCH bigger issue is the resolution though, because if it's locked to those 810p or whatever it is it will always have horribe IQ
The game itself is really fun so far, played for about 2 hours and they flew by. And honestly the performance didn't bother me too much, yeah you can tell it's nowhere close 60fps but it still plays fine.
But holy fuck is it ugly, haven't been this distracted by blurry and muddy visuals in a while, I'm actually considering finishing it in handheld mode because even though it's like 480p it looks much sharper on the small screen than on my 55" TV. Early on you reach this island with a slightly open environment and with the blurry visuals, muddy textures and pop in it really did feel like an original Xbox game.
Also I redownloaded Bayonetta 2 to compare and even though I know DF says it runs at a lower resolution I swear it looks sharper, I think because the environments are smaller and the camera is more zoomed in, so you see more details on the characters.
So yeah fun game but IMO the horrible IQ is 10 times worse than the uneven framerate.
It targets 60fps so theoretically it should at least reached locked 60fps on a hypothetical Switch 2 with backwards compatibility.
I think the MUCH bigger issue is the resolution though, because if it's locked to those 810p or whatever it is it will always have horribe IQ
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Kataploom
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Damn, and I thought people forgot about being salty about this game... Go all you fave publisher to fund it then, good luck btw
Chukhopops
Member
There would be no Bayo 2 without Nintendo, Bayonetta would be as dead as Vanquish.
Generally speaking the character action genre has been replaced by Souls-style, slower, jumpless, behind the character camera action games (see old GoW vs new GoW for example). Nintendo is the last one funding games like Astral Chain or Bayo today.
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synchronicity
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All I will say is thank god I can enjoy games without obsessing over technicals.
SlimySnake
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Yeah, i think its the lack of details. i dont think even PS3 era games were lacking this much detail. its not the resolution or the IQ, it's just a very muddy looking game. Clearly because the scale is so massive that they simply couldnt make everything with a high level of detail.
I mean the first setpiece is huge. they literally have a giant yacht crashing through nyc. Someone throws the empire state building at a boss. water swallows the entire city in realtime cutscenes. it is clearly supposed to be epic, but none of it landed for me because the visual quality of it is so poor.
I am not saying its a bad game. I posted this thread but tbh, the setpieces in the DF review sold me. I had no intention of buying the game before this. However, I take issue with people like Danjin who trash posters for saying fidelity matters as if we were born yesterday and havent been playing games since the atari days. I love that PG is being ambitious with this title and isnt letting the specs come between them and their vision, but I can also see that their ambitious game is clearly being held back by the outdated visuals because despite the incredible effort put into these elaborate setpieces, they dont quite inspire awe like a naughty dog or SSM setpiece would with better visual fidelity.
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Kataploom
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Sometimes it is unavoidable, but I'd rather play Bayo 2 at it's fluctuating framerate or Xenoblade 2 on Switch than A Plague Tales are constant 35-42fps my PC, somehow it feels worse on there then on consoles, idk about Bayo 3 though, hopefully by the time I decide to play it I will have a Switch Super out whatever it's called, Zelda coming early next year sets me optimistic for first time, maybe because it would be a normal Nintendo console cycle following up
Feel Like I'm On 42
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I only play Switch in handheld and this is so bad in handheld. What a shame. What are the chances that with enough pressure the devs put out a patch to improve the resolution? Probably nil, right? There's no way any of us couldbe predicted this low ofa res considering Bayo 2 looks sharp and fantastic in handheld mode.
I feel bamboozled a little bit by Nintendo. Why wouldn't Nintendo work closely with Platinum on such an important exclusive? 470p is awful!
I'm not exactly in love with the changes to gameplay either. The Demon summoning is stupid there's no skill involved with that. I shpuld try playing on hard.
I feel bamboozled a little bit by Nintendo. Why wouldn't Nintendo work closely with Platinum on such an important exclusive? 470p is awful!
I'm not exactly in love with the changes to gameplay either. The Demon summoning is stupid there's no skill involved with that. I shpuld try playing on hard.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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470p though makes what would otherwise be a nice looking game just plain bad. Also, it's literally hard to see Bayonetta at times so it does affect gameplay too.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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That's a good point
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Have you played Soulstice?