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[Greigor The Fellhand]

wonder if the rumor that Ms. Sanders got a loan from russia is also true.


Fuck everyone that's corrupt, max jail sentence and asset seizure for them.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Hilldawg 2020

Nah, her window is closed. Bernie's and Biden's too. Someone else is going to have to step up.

Preferably someone staying quiet right about now so any massive campaign against them can't kick fully into gear once they officially announce. The Obama method could be explored more.

 

[Steel]

That would be the intent, yes. Sanders, or a Sanders-anointed, is the front runner for 2020, and they're going to beat this drum from now until then. It's also not a coincidence this is gaining traction while there's a conversation about Democratic leadership and how Sanders should take the wheel.

It's up to the people to decide if they're gonna take the bait though. They probably will because this is America and exercising your right to legal counsel is considered an admission of guilt.

I'm confused. Bernie is not currently even part of the democratic party, he went back to being an indie after the race, so why would he be in the running for the leadership? And are you suggesting that the dems have control over who the FBI is investigating? After 2016? Really?

This could be something, it could be nothing, it could be a minor thing that no one really should care about. That being said, Bernie should not be in the running for 2020, he's too old. And I don't want to even see Hillary as a potential candidate for 2020.

 

[plagiarize]

I wish no ill to Sanders and most of his supporters that never went after Clinton for the FBI investigation. As I've said I hope he is innocent and the FBI get it right.

And to the people defending him here, saying he is just under investigation and saying this is a GOP smear... I hope you said the same before the Clinton investigation cleared her. If not, I hope this sits very uncomfortably with you. They were both under FBI investigation during the primaries, and only one was publically attacked for it.

So if you see a fellow Bernie supporter saying how it was rigged against him, I hope you tell them to shut the fuck up.

 

[TurnipFritters]

I'm confused. Bernie is not currently even part of the democratic party, he went back to being an indie after the race, so why would he be in the running for the leadership? And are you suggesting that the dems have control over who the FBI is investigating? After 2016? Really?

It would not be the democrats who would be pushing for the investigation, especially considering the OP states, explicitly, that the actual claim was filed by someone who worked for Trump's campaign.

(Sanders was also an Independent in 2012)

 

[Steel]

It would not be the democrats who would be pushing for the investigation and Sanders was also an Independent in 2012.

I'm sorry I must be an idiot, but I can't make heads or tails of what this post is trying to say.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

I wish no ill to Sanders and most of his supporters that never went after Clinton for the FBI investigation. As I've said I hope he is innocent and the FBI get it right.

And to the people defending him here, saying he is just under investigation and saying this is a GOP smear... I hope you said the same before the Clinton investigation cleared her. If not, I hope this sits very uncomfortably with you. They were both under FBI investigation during the primaries, and only one was publically attacked for it.

So if you see a fellow Bernie supporter saying how it was rigged against him, I hope you tell them to shut the fuck up.

Ha.

 

[plagiarize]

So... wait a minute...

Did Bernie know about this during the primaries?

And did he not reveal he was also under FBI investigation when he saw Clinton being slammed for that very same thing, over and over again?

I hope someone asks him.

 

[TurnipFritters]

I'm sorry I must be an idiot, but I can't make heads or tails of what this post is trying to say.

I'm sorry, I went back and clarified.

 

[kirblar]

So... wait a minute...

Did Bernie know about this during the primaries?

And did he not reveal he was also under FBI investigation when he saw Clinton being slammed for that very same thing, over and over again?

I hope someone asks him.

I think the actually inquiry did start after the primaries had ended.

 

[Steel]

It would not be the democrats who would be pushing for the investigation, especially considering the OP states, explicitly, that the actual claim was filed by someone who worked for Trump's campaign.

(Sanders was also an Independent in 2012)

Ok, this makes a bit more sense. Yeah, it could certainly be Trump sniping competition, that being said the FBI don't really just randomly open investigations into stuff. Though, there was that one leak that said that some lower level FBI agents tried to start an investigation into the Clinton Cash book.

I'm sorry, I went back and clarified.

Not a problem, my bad.

 

[funkystudent]

I dunno man, it would be some dark ass dark humor if n the end Hillary was the most innocent candidate of the 2016 election and Bernie and Trump go down.

 

[Daria]

This will just be another chapter in attacking the Democrat party from the "left", watch it.

huh, i thought Dems were *the* left. /s

What the poop is going on? Are the Dems going to go to a meltdown now?

they've been in meltdown mode for a couple years

 

[Amir0x]

I'm for removing the filibuster because, ultimately, the absurd rapid swings in policy will enhance the movement toward enacting real electoral reform that could encourage a multi-party system off the ground. Looking at France's recent election, Le Pen was undercut by the fact that conservatives had a real, conservative option in the first round of voting and so did not feel obligated to jump on board with a nationalistic crazy simply because she was the ONLY option to get conservative policy through. America has no such systems in place, and given our current president, it's pretty clear that abolishing the two-party system needs to be a top priority.

Removing the fillibuster is not going to suddenly lead to a cascade that eventually overturns the two party system. There is no path that allows us to do that which doesn't go directly through the Democrats and Republicans. Ergo, it is never going to happen.

We need to work with the system we got to enable progress. And lest you say it doesn't work, our country's history is literally a slow march toward ever greater progress. People simply need to stop thinking short term and realize our system of government was designed so these things occur slowly and incrementally.

 

[plagiarize]

I'm for removing the filibuster because, ultimately, the absurd rapid swings in policy will enhance the movement toward enacting real electoral reform that could encourage a multi-party system off the ground. Looking at France's recent election, Le Pen was undercut by the fact that conservatives had a real, conservative option in the first round of voting and so did not feel obligated to jump on board with a nationalistic crazy simply because she was the ONLY option to get conservative policy through. America has no such systems in place, and given our current president, it's pretty clear that abolishing the two-party system needs to be a top priority.

On paper nothing that happened in France is impossible here.

If a popular centrist ran for President, and the two main establishment parties ran terrible candidates, there's nothing preventing them from winning and building a new party that could then gain majorities in the house and senate come the midterms.

For pretty much my entire lifetime France had a two party system, until they didn't suddenly.

 

[Steel]

On paper nothing that happened in France is impossible here.

If a popular centrist ran for President, and the two main establishment parties ran terrible candidates, there's nothing preventing them from winning and building a new party that could then gain majorities in the house and senate come the midterms.

For pretty much my entire lifetime France had a two party system, until they didn't suddenly.

France's electoral system allows for three parties to compete without being a drain on each other. The electoral college does not. I wish it did, but thems the breaks.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

France's electoral system allows for three parties to compete without being a drain on each other. The electoral college does not. I wish it did, but thems the breaks.

The electoral college forces two, but other races don't necessarily. There is no technical reason why the House or Senate can't have multiple factions/coalitions of parties. It's just that the apparatus of the DNC and RNC makes it hard to resist not working within those frameworks. Already both parties do have different enough factions likely ripe for different parties, but I think people are scared to rock the boat even that much. I'm also not convinced the US general electorate have the collective mental capacity to navigate more than two parties.

There have been some examples for coalitions being formed at least with independent candidates - to mixed results. Usually Independents caucusing with Democrats to get a Senate majority.

 

[Aaronology]

Man it would be terrible, just terrible, if people allowed a bunch of GOP opposition and smears to convince them of the need to oust a prominent left wing politician from a leadership position

 

[midramble]

My worry is that if this is found true, it will disillusion berniecrats further and they won't come out to vote again.

By design.

Again.

 

[water_wendi]

My worry is that if this is found true, it will disillusion berniecrats further and they won't come out to vote again.

By design.

Again.

Most Sanders supporters voted for Clinton.

If its true, its true. Its not going to be a big deal with most people. If it is a big deal though things are different because the situations are different. Hillary Clinton wasnt the most popular politician in the country brought low by an FBI investigation. She was deeply divisive for decades. Then you add in the lack of Cult of Personality with Sanders. Yes you read that correctly. People dont follow Sanders because hes some charismatic cultlike figure. Up until a year or two ago most people in the country had never heard of him despite being in the Senate for year. They like him for what hes proposing fighting for. i remember first being exposed to him here on GAF and they were interviewing people leaving the rally. The thing almost everyone said "I've never heard a politician say this before." So even if this happens to somehow sink Sanders he doesnt own a living wage, ending the wars, Medicare for all, etc etc.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Maybe now we can distance ourselves from these bullshit purity tests?

The concept of finding the 'perfect candidate' for 2020 or we won't vote/lose, is tiresome at this point.

Man it would be terrible, just terrible, if people allowed a bunch of GOP opposition and smears to convince them of the need to oust a prominent left wing politician from a leadership position

 

[Dehnus]

I'm sure Neogaf, a site filled with members who have completely unbiased opinions of the Sanders', will respond to this story fairly and not at all in a knee-jerky way.

Jup the bashing of Bernie on GAF is starting to get annoying. I don't like Clinton, but I really hate republicans and NAZIs like Trump and his supporters even more. I thus rooted for her over Trump, but I am more of an Elizabeth Warren kind of person. Sadly if I have to choose between Sanders and Clinton.. my vote would go to Sanders as the man simply has been more active in activism. Has always voted to help LGBTQ were as Clinton's record on that is a bit spotty, and has been on the right side of the social justice struggles regarding African Americans.

On top of that: First Jew President! SHALOM! BITCHES!

Can you imagine the heart attack those Soros/Rothshild Conspiracy believing nutters would get from that? . That in itself would be worth it already .

 

[excelsiorlef]

Most Sanders supporters voted for Clinton.

If its true, its true. Its not going to be a big deal with most people. If it is a big deal though things are different because the situations are different. Hillary Clinton wasnt the most popular politician in the country brought low by an FBI investigation. She was deeply divisive for decades. Then you add in the lack of Cult of Personality with Sanders. Yes you read that correctly. People dont follow Sanders because hes some charismatic cultlike figure. Up until a year or two ago most people in the country had never heard of him despite being in the Senate for year. They like him for what hes proposing fighting for. i remember first being exposed to him here on GAF and they were interviewing people leaving the rally. The thing almost everyone said "I've never heard a politician say this before." So even if this happens to somehow sink Sanders he doesnt own a living wage, ending the wars, Medicare for all, etc etc.

Clinton at one time a few years ago was in fact one of the most popular politicians.

And as if there's no cult of personality... come on. People were convinced the entire primary was rigged against him, peole were suing the Democratic Party because they thought he could win California if only the Dems were screwing him over. There was massive amounts of irrationality around him, that's a cult of personality.

He didn't have a National Platform until now because he never sought it out earlier...

 

[jakonovski]

I can't help but to think that all of these "maybe we can stop with these leadership squabbles now" includes a silent "and go with my preferred candidate".

Which then will just result in the same old infighting in 2020. I hope Dems get their shit together for midterms so someone can create some organic momentum before the presidential election.

 

[Steel]

I can't help but to think that all of these "maybe we can stop with these leadership squabbles now" includes a silent "and go with my preferred candidate".

Which then will just result in the same old infighting in 2020. I hope Dems get their shit together for midterms so someone can create some organic momentum before the presidential election.

There's no someone within the democratic party to do that in the midterms, really. Not even sure why that relates to this thread seeing as Bernie is an independent atm.

If I had dictatorial control of the democratic party right now I'd find the most charismatic person in the house(that also has little chance of actually becoming president) and replace Pelosi with them. Mostly because that would be good for PR, which the dems need. Leadership changes need to happen every once in awhile. The republicans had a good face out there with Ryan even if he was an incompetent dumbass otherwise. Just put the new guy in front of cameras at every opportunity to give nice speeches.

That being said, the way things are going there'll be a swelling of support for the dems no matter what considering how the special elections are going, so it's likely nothing needs to be done, but there are things that could be.

 

[water_wendi]

Clinton at one time a few years ago was in fact one of the most popular politicians.

First, the FBI investigation didnt do bring her from one of the most popular to where she is now. The witchhunt that hurt her the most was the Benghazi garbage. Second, she never had the huge appeal that Sanders has with Democrats and Independents (and in Sanders case even Republicans).

And as if there's no cult of personality... come on. People were convinced the entire primary was rigged against him, peole were suing the Democratic Party because they thought he could win California if only the Dems were screwing him over. There was massive amounts of irrationality around him, that's a cult of personality.

Theres always going to be nutters that follow people but hes not a charismatic leader like Obama. If you would have told me 2 years ago that an old Jewish man with bad hair and posture that yells all the time would be far and away the most popular American politician in 2017 i would have laughed. People like him because hes not bought and they want what he proposes fighting for.

 

[Slayven]

Jup the bashing of Bernie on GAF is starting to get annoying. I don't like Clinton, but I really hate republicans and NAZIs like Trump and his supporters even more. I thus rooted for her over Trump, but I am more of an Elizabeth Warren kind of person. Sadly if I have to choose between Sanders and Clinton.. my vote would go to Sanders as the man simply has been more active in activism. Has always voted to help LGBTQ were as Clinton's record on that is a bit spotty, and has been on the right side of the social justice struggles regarding African Americans.

On top of that: First Jew President! SHALOM! BITCHES!

Can you imagine the heart attack those Soros/Rothshild Conspiracy believing nutters would get from that? . That in itself would be worth it already .

Just don't be one in his state

https://vtdigger.org/2016/07/01/new...rities-in-vermont-policing-and-incarceration/

A new analysis of Vermont State Police data shows that racial disparities in traffic stops have increased in the five years from 2011 to 2015.

A similar analysis commissioned by state police, and released in May, showed that minority drivers are stopped, cited and searched by the Vermont State Police at a higher rate than white drivers. It also found white drivers were more likely than minorities to receive a warning, rather than a citation.

At the same time, a new report from The Sentencing Project, a Washington, D.C.-based advocacy group, shows Vermont is one of five states where black people are incarcerated at more than 10 times the rate of white people, which is double the national average.

 

[Ponn]

Dems really need to leave 2016 behind, all of it, and move on. There were no heroes or winners, we need to move on and find new leaders.

 

[Eylos]

Interesting, lula, Dilma, Kirchner, Mujica, Morales (being investigated)

All leftists presidents of LA america being acused of crimes, then an usa leftists appears, Bang crime.

I know Its a conspiracy theory, Just leaving this here, i find odd all this coincidences.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Just don't be one in his state

https://vtdigger.org/2016/07/01/new...rities-in-vermont-policing-and-incarceration/

People like to ignore that Bernie voted for the same crime bill we roast Clinton over (and rightfully so) but hey, MLK walks man.

Man it would be terrible, just terrible, if people allowed a bunch of GOP opposition and smears to convince them of the need to oust a prominent left wing politician from a leadership position

 

[noshten]

Being under FBI investigation is one of the requirements for the DNC to push a candidate all the way to the nomination, Sanders is playing 4-D chess a few years too early should save this for 2020.

 

[royalan]

First, the FBI investigation didnt do bring her from one of the most popular to where she is now. The witchhunt that hurt her the most was the Benghazi garbage. Second, she never had the huge appeal that Sanders has with Democrats and Independents (and in Sanders case even Republicans).

Sanders' approval numbers don't really matter (besides the obvious reason that they didn't help him or his endorsed candidates win), because his approval was largely untested. But I think we're seeing now the kind of things that were in store for him, had he been subjected to more scrutiny.

The rape fanfiction. His love for socialist regimes. His wife bankrupting a college. And now this: the revelation that both of them are under FBI investigation.

Does anybody really think a year of being bludgeoned with those scandals would have had no effect on Sanders' approval?

 

[grumble]

Politics is a dirty game. People will hunt through your entire life to find anything they can use to smear you.

 

[Dehnus]

Just don't be one in his state

https://vtdigger.org/2016/07/01/new...rities-in-vermont-policing-and-incarceration/

So what his state is doing is representing him? So if Kansas has 1 Democrat that has been fighting her arse off for reproductive rights for women? We can blame her for not fighting hard enough when the state is filled with idiots. I know people like to Bash Bernie here, but come on.

For goodness sake the man marched with the African American community as early as the 60's. So I doubt he agrees with the racial disparity in prison either. Also not once did they mention his name in this article. So again this is reaching.

 

[Slayven]

Sanders' approval numbers don't really matter (besides the obvious reason that they didn't help him or his endorsed candidates win), because his approval was largely untested. But I think we're seeing now the kind of things that were in store for him, had he been subjected to more scrutiny.

The rape fanfiction. His love for socialist regimes. His wife bankrupting a college. And now this: the revelation that both of them are under FBI investigation.

Does anybody really think a year of being bludgeoned with those scandals would have had no effect on Sanders' approval?

Folks don't realized how lite he was tried during the whole primary.

So what his state is doing is representing him? So if Kansas has 1 Democrat that has been fighting her arse off for reproductive rights for women? We can blame her for not fighting hard enough when the state is filled with idiots. I know people like to Bash Bernie here, but come on.

For goodness sake the man marched with the African American community as early as the 60's. So I doubt he agrees with the racial disparity in prison either. Also not once did they mention his name in this article. So again this is reaching.

* puts in a quarter in the jar*
We don't live in the 60s and the 60s was a long time ago. What has he done lately?

 

[sturgboski]

Sanders' approval numbers don't really matter (besides the obvious reason that they didn't help him or his endorsed candidates win), because his approval was largely untested. But I think we're seeing now the kind of things that were in store for him, had he been subjected to more scrutiny.

The rape fanfiction. His love for socialist regimes. His wife bankrupting a college. And now this: the revelation that both of them are under FBI investigation.

Does anybody really think a year of being bludgeoned with those scandals would have had no effect on Sanders' approval?

Sadly, the counter argument is: Trump was elected. The scandals were ignored by his ravenous and insane base and further the "us vs them" divide/mantra.

 

[shawnbuddy]

Sanders got the kid gloves because Hillary didn't take him seriously. And Trump actually almost boosted him on occasion because it hurt Hillary to suggest she was cheating poor "crazy Bernie." He's never been ground at by a political machine so any discussions of his approval ratings or chances to win a general are airy hypotheticals.

 

[Dehnus]

People like to ignore that Bernie voted for the same crime bill we roast Clinton over (and rightfully so) but hey, MLK walks man.

Okay fine, he is totes evil and is soooo terribad. Infact he comes home and haunches over a cauldron of froglegs, newteyes and the tears of mountaintrolls. There he cackles maniacally as he curses everybody that isn't a socialist and in on the Rothshild empire to control the world. That and cause mildly itchy bumpsfor those that voted Clinton.

 

[royalan]

Sadly, the counter argument is: Trump was elected. The scandals were ignored by his ravenous and insane base and further the "us vs them" divide/mantra.

Oh no, I absolutely agree. I've said plenty of times that I think we as a country are in a place politically where "who I like" has become completely separated from "who I'll vote for" and that approval ratings have largely become meaningless.

This is just my response to the idea that Sanders high approval rating last year meant anything. To the point: it didn't.

 

[water_wendi]

Oh no, I absolutely agree. I've said plenty of times that I think we as a country are in a place politically where "who I like" has become completely separated from "who I'll vote for" and that approval ratings have largely become meaningless.

This is just my response to the idea that Sanders high approval rating last year meant anything. To the point: it didn't.

i was referring to his approval numbers right now not last year.

 

[royalan]

i was referring to his approval numbers right now not last year.

I don't think his approval matters any more now than they did last year.

 

[Angelus Errare]

* puts in a quarter in the jar*
We don't live in the 60s and the 60s was a long time ago. What has he done lately?

If black folks had a dollar every time MLK was summoned we'd be one of the wealthiest groups in this country lol.

Okay fine, he is totes evil and is soooo terribad. Infact he comes home and haunches over a cauldron of froglegs, newteyes and the tears of mountaintrolls. There he cackles maniacally as he curses everybody that isn't a socialist and in on the Rothshild empire to control the world. That and cause mildly itchy bumpsfor those that voted Clinton.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm just pointing out crazy double standards and the deification of politicians.

But hey take on victimhood if you need to I guess?

 

[water_wendi]

I don't think his approval matters any more now than they did last year.

i dont think this news even if its all true is going to crater his support.

 

[Slayven]

I don't think his approval matters any more now than they did last year.

Everybody likes you when the only thing you are doing is touring

 

[midramble]

Okay fine, he is totes evil and is soooo terribad. Infact he comes home and haunches over a cauldron of froglegs, newteyes and the tears of mountaintrolls. There he cackles maniacally as he curses everybody that isn't a socialist and in on the Rothshild empire to control the world. That and cause mildly itchy bumpsfor those that voted Clinton.

Why does it have to be one extreme or the other?

 

[royalan]

i dont think this news even if its all true is going to crater his support.

But the reality is the amount of people who do not support Bernie Sanders is greater than the amount of people who do. We see this in the continued electoral losses of him and his chosen candidates nationally.

This certainly won't help that.

Everybody likes you when the only thing you are doing is touring

Yep.

 

[Gattsu25]

Man it would be terrible, just terrible, if people allowed a bunch of GOP opposition and smears to convince them of the need to oust a prominent left wing politician from a leadership position

 

[Bounceounce]

Just don't be one in his state

https://vtdigger.org/2016/07/01/new...rities-in-vermont-policing-and-incarceration/

Bernie: The enemy of minorities
Coming to a gaf-thread near you.

 

[BajiBoxer]

I don't think his approval matters any more now than they did last year.

I'd say it matters when it comes to people donating to candidates. Look at all the cash that nutcase Tim Canova brought in after the Sanders endorsement last year.

 

[noshten]

Sanders got the kid gloves because Hillary didn't take him seriously. And Trump actually almost boosted him on occasion because it hurt Hillary to suggest she was cheating poor "crazy Bernie." He's never been ground at by a political machine so any discussions of his approval ratings or chances to win a general are airy hypotheticals.

Hillary didn't take him seriously because the DNC hid the primary by appointing very few debates. The few debates that they scheduled were placed at times where they would be watched by as few people as possible.

Would you say that Clinton getting questions by DNC operatives ahead of debates is "kid gloves".

Same kid gloves that didn't look into the security of the DNC and blamed Bernie's campaign for hacking? Bernie's campaign had alerted the DNC about the vulnerabilities in the DNC database months before the alleged "hack" his campaign has carried out

The kid gloves where there was a narrative of the Bernie Bro, and that Democrats would go on national TV pushing that narrative even calling him "sexist" for a comment at a debate about "shouting"

Or how about when the Clinton campaign used Sandy Hook to blame Sanders for his pro-gun voting record in Vermont, was that also kid gloves?

How about her attack ads in Michigan that he didn't want to bailout car industry because he didn't vote for the Wall Street bailout?

Perhaps the kid gloves where when she tried to attack him for not standing next to her when she was trying to push Hillary Care?