they had the chance to make StarCraft: Ghost. guess what happened!
-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
Call of Duty:Black Ops Declassified (Gamescom 2012)
- Thread starter cyborg009
- Start date
they had the chance to make StarCraft: Ghost. guess what happened!
Yes, the framerate matters greatly, and we don't know what framerate this will be when it ships. MGSI don't mean to keep stirring the pot here but you say "a franchise that is historically hideous" as if that is some sort of majority opinion or something. I don't think it's absurd to hold the opinion that CoD is a very average looking series, and in fact many would even say it's well above average (trying not to play the "look at reviews" card here but it's getting a bit more difficult). Still, I do think you need to consider the high framerate that the series is known for as well.
When I woke up this morning I never would have guessed that I'd be defending CoD's graphics at some point today.
W HD went from like 20fps to 60 over the course of a few months based on public showings. And if this game has really only been in development for three months as some are suggesting is possible, it's only a third through development.I'll agree with that. But isn't the pessimism to be expected for this game at this point? Especially here of all places!?
I'm hoping the multiple player is at least competent, because 4 v 4 seems right, and something that the system and engine should theoretically be able to handle.
However, the campaign is all but guaranteed to be rubbish in my eyes. The CoD formula is just way played out and not my taste.
The_Darkest_Red
Member
I would be absolutely shocked if this game ran at an average framerate of anything even slightly above 30 fps. Deep down in your heart you would be as well, I'm guessing.Yes, the framerate matters greatly, and we don't know what framerate this will be when it ships. MGS
I know I'm being very harsh on the game and it may be somewhat preemptive but everything we've seen and heard so far sounds and looks dreadful. The developer, the videos and screenshots, the features, the lack of coverage before today; it just all reeks of garbage cash-in and I think it's fair to treat it as such until we're given a reason not to.
Nihilistic is developing it? Yeah... fuck that noise.
I liked Resistance Burning Skies, but only to the extent that I was tolerating it based solely on it being both the first twin-stick FPS shooter on a handheld + online competitive FPS multiplayer experience I've played on a handheld. Unless they're pushing 8vs8 and a full featured online multiplayer experience that rivals the console COD titles, I am passing on this.
EDIT: So it says this game will only feature 4v4 in the blog post? Yeah... pass.
I liked Resistance Burning Skies, but only to the extent that I was tolerating it based solely on it being both the first twin-stick FPS shooter on a handheld + online competitive FPS multiplayer experience I've played on a handheld. Unless they're pushing 8vs8 and a full featured online multiplayer experience that rivals the console COD titles, I am passing on this.
EDIT: So it says this game will only feature 4v4 in the blog post? Yeah... pass.
Zekra Dezivad
Member
Both Killzone Mercenary and Declassified have a stealth kill with knife scene.
Can someone make a comparison gif(s)?
Can someone make a comparison gif(s)?
test_account
XP-39C²
In my opinion, that specific presentation is just typical PR speak, such as "endless possibilities using the NGP features". It doesnt really hype the game itself that much. It would be different if they had hyped more specific things such as "on par with the console versions" and "big budget game".
It is not like they havnt mentioned CoD Vita several times though, so there have been hype in that way for sure, but they havnt said anything (at least from what i've seen) that it would be a big budget game and specific things like that. But yeah, i expected it to be a bit better from the little we've seen so far at least, i fully agree on that.
HamPster PamPster
Member
Kind of silly to unveil this along all the Black Ops multiplayer info. Reading up on some of that stuff and comparing it to this game's 4v4 just seems so sad.
MDSLKTR
Member
All I wanted was a ps3 port, with shittier graphics and low iq to keep it at 60fps like mortal kombat, and some kind of persistence on the mp side between the handheld and ps3 version. Not a reskinned F-grade resistance. Who's bright idea was it to give it to nihilistic? This is damaging to the brand and to the platform.
I wouldn't say it had great controls. Maybe when going through the single player it felt fine, but playing online and needing to be as fast and efficient as possible, the controls really start to hold things back. The game had tolerable controls. Nothing more, nothing less.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Everyone has been predicting it since the moment it was announced.
Teletraan1
Banned
Anyone that was saying that a COD was going to save the vita must have meant that a reasonable copy of what the consoles are doing put on the Vita feature complete would have been something worth purchasing. A watered down version, missing the features which makes COD popular shit onto Vita by a dev with a questionable pedigree isnt going to save anything but be a bullet point in some handheld warz 2012 discussion.
I was hopefully optimistic that it would be a full COD title, with a few alterations made to get it on the Vita.
=[
There's this one thing that I don't get. There are developers who are making batter looking games for iPhone with:
- less disposable memory for the game,
- less processing power from the CPU side and
- less processing power from the GPU side?
Sorry for the rant. It's just blowing my mind, in the worst way possible.
MDSLKTR
Member
You seen the new killzone? Hell all the launch titles look better than this shit.
metalslimer
Member
How are developers who do this great for a .......ohhhhh
The Insane Dufresne
Member
I have zero faith in Nihilistic to produce anything other than a mediocre game after playing Resistance and seeing the trailer for Declassified.
I feel sorry for those who spend money (lmao $50 msrp) on this game.
I feel sorry for those who spend money (lmao $50 msrp) on this game.
Even CoD on *Wii* got patched!
"Has never been given a chance to make a great game?" Do you honestly think that Sony wanted Playstation Move Heroes to turn out as poorly as it did? Do you think that either EA or Marvel wanted Marvel Nemesis to be unfun? I could go on and on, but putting the blame on the publisher of Nihilstic's games is being pretty unfair, when Nihilistic has had every opportunity to make their games fun, despite budget concerns, and they haven't.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
It's because they have assets made for PS360 and cut them down to fit a lower end platform rather than create new stuff with its specs in mind. The results are going to be shoddy. If you have a detailed 2048x2048 texture and scale it to 256x256 it will look awful, if you make a 256x256 texture from scratch you can make it look alright for what it is. Similarly for cutting down high poly models vs making a new low poly model from scratch. Compare Wii's COD ports with something like Red Steel 2 or Metroid Prime 3 which were made with that (or similar, GC) hardware in mind, at least their single player parts since they don't have online modes. You could probably get better results if you carefully hand edited every asset you downgraded but at that point you'd almost spend as much as you would when making all new stuff, quick and dirty is the way to go for such cheap ports.
It's not like every iOS game looks better either. I think MC3 looks about as bad as this, just in different ways. Maybe screenshots look sharper but the level design is pretty bland and boxy from the little I played (the controls are crap, maybe you can get used to them but that doesn't make them good, like I wouldn't play Super Mario Bros. with a dance pad just because that one guy managed to speed run it with one, I really wanted to like gyro controls too, but other games do them a lot better - sadly no FPS games yet though - and they aren't suitable for prolonged play in every environment). It doesn't run smooth on iPad2 level hardware either.
As an aside - somewhat - what are the n-space DS CoD titles like? Obviously they're in no way up to the console releases, but do they play okay in their own environment? Better or worse than Dementium/Moon?
TUROK
Member
You mean the Killzone Mercenary trailer with one whole enemy onscreen at a time? Yeah, I saw that.
Let's do some maths then.
BlkOps is 960x544 on PS3, that's a little over 500k pixels, that resolution might be familiar, as it's actually the native resolution of the Vita. That's a not far off half 720p (720p being just over 900k). Uncharted GA's resolution is 720x408 (just less than 300k), so to roughly match the performance with a notably graphical drop Uncharted is a third of what it was on PS3. A third of BlkOps on PS3 is 150k, or more specifically the PSP resolution of 272p.
And Uncharted was Sony's technical show piece for the system, Activision don't give a shit about the Vita.
KillerTravis
Banned
Why isn't n-space making a CoD for 3DS again?
megamerican
Member
I'm just excited about the 'dual analog' controls. Finally!
staticneuron
Member
Considering this stuff was released at the same conference where the killzone trailer was shown, I would be embarrassed if I was Activision. Maybe they thought they made a good choice at the start. The nervousness should have set in after the reactions to Resistance.
Phife Dawg
Member
Expected but still kind of sad.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
For reference, here is the last big thread on it:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=479117
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=479117
nhlducks35
Member
Damn't I want to see the customized back panel.
Speedymanic
Banned
This is very early code/footage right? I mean that's the only reason why most of the enemies don't respond to being shot to hell.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
No memory card even though it is required to boot the game? I don't understand how they keep doing this with bundles.
test_account
XP-39C²
Hard to see in the trailer in my opinion, but my guess would be 30fps to be honest. 60fps is one of the key "features" in CoD for consoles, but the Wii version have 30fps, same with the DS versions (if not lower), and split screen in Black Ops and Modern Warfare 3 as well, so less than 60fps has been done before.
The game is out in 3-4 months. I'm not sure what you mean that the enemies arent responding to being shot though? The fall down quickly from what i can see.
Kandrick
GAF's Ed McMahon
Looks like there is a 4gb card included. 4. What a joke.
But hey, i guess you can at least save your game!
Bottom one has a 4GB memory card it looks like.
You didn't play Resistance Burning Skies did you ;-)
OldJadedGamer
Banned
The bottom box didn't load at first for me. Looks like the US version has one but EUR version does not.
test_account
XP-39C²
4GB is the most to be expected. If they had bundled a bigger card, the price would increase.
I wonder if this bundle is $249 as well.
Better comparison would be Black Ops as it looked and ran better than cod 4 on the wii. But its funny how the Wii has 10 players and this has 8.
edit:
lol
That happens in one of the PS3 KZs too. I guess it's theoretically possible that those guns fire at 33ms a round, or a multiplication of that.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Because they stand without any response to the bullets until their health runs out and then they fall to the ground with a canned animation.
fluffydelusions
Member
Looks more like 20-30
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
I'm not a graphics whore and even I thought "holy shit this game looks bad" when I first saw the trailer.