Prototype Viktor
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Could CNN.com be worse to browse on mobile? If I didn't have chrome force the mobile friendly version it does I couldn't even see more then 10 words at a time
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CNN dives into Japan's School Girl culture, examines "the dark truth"
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Age: forever sweet 17.
Often gets teased for her large chest.
I can't tell if animu or Vita game.
There has to come a point when the Japanese draw a line and say, "no more". I get the culture defense, to an extent. You have far more human history where relationships between older men and teenage girls were perfectly acceptable. But this should be something that we move beyond rather than continue to pretend is ok.
guggnichso
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This does not mean that adults can legally have sex with teenagers, having sex with minors under 18 is illegal in japan.
It means however that it is legal for teenagers under 18 to have sex with each other, as it should be. Here in Germany the age of consent between teenagers is 14, and it works.
SoundPulse
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JadedWriter
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Aren't they referred to as "Christmas cakes?"
Term Christmas cake is used 'no one wants a Christmas cake after the 25th'. Crazy amount of pressure to get married before then.
After that women are no longer seen as desirable.
I wonder if that adds to the fact so many middle aged men want highschoolers rather than mature women? Like a social pressure to date young women.
To young girls I'm sure getting money for just hanging out with middle aged dudes is a sweet pitch for predators, 'Oh I'll buy you a nice handbag if you go to dinner with me' then they get pressured to do alot more until it escalates to prostitution.
Alot of these girls come from low income family's so when they are offered the chance they jump at it. I mean let's be fair if I was a working class 17 year old and you offered me a playstation for a date I would take it.
Also remember in Japan what school you go to will have a effect of what university and what type of jobs you'll get, I'd you are going to a bad school you can see your prospects are bleak spo I can see the Temptation to go into this is big.
As to what do about this is rather hard, some girls are 17/18 and legally you can't do much as they over the age of consent. Also if sex is not happening legally Japanese enforcement can't do anything if it's just a date, maybe
Question couples when they are on dates? Or call there parents? (could make things worse for the girl in question though).
However you can crack down in stores enabling the selling of high school uniforms to fetishists.
Make it socially unacceptable to like highschoolers, as look in advertising idol groups are full of them acting sexy to a adult audience. It makes it socially acceptable to desire a teenage girl.
Put a stop to that, make sure everyone's over the age of 18.
My last suggestion would be to uncensored Japanese pornography as when a society is so. Sexually repressed weird shit happens.
Of course this won't happen but it's nice to think of solutions and why this happening rather than being like Japan's so weird.
After that women are no longer seen as desirable.
I wonder if that adds to the fact so many middle aged men want highschoolers rather than mature women? Like a social pressure to date young women.
To young girls I'm sure getting money for just hanging out with middle aged dudes is a sweet pitch for predators, 'Oh I'll buy you a nice handbag if you go to dinner with me' then they get pressured to do alot more until it escalates to prostitution.
Alot of these girls come from low income family's so when they are offered the chance they jump at it. I mean let's be fair if I was a working class 17 year old and you offered me a playstation for a date I would take it.
Also remember in Japan what school you go to will have a effect of what university and what type of jobs you'll get, I'd you are going to a bad school you can see your prospects are bleak spo I can see the Temptation to go into this is big.
As to what do about this is rather hard, some girls are 17/18 and legally you can't do much as they over the age of consent. Also if sex is not happening legally Japanese enforcement can't do anything if it's just a date, maybe
Question couples when they are on dates? Or call there parents? (could make things worse for the girl in question though).
However you can crack down in stores enabling the selling of high school uniforms to fetishists.
Make it socially unacceptable to like highschoolers, as look in advertising idol groups are full of them acting sexy to a adult audience. It makes it socially acceptable to desire a teenage girl.
Put a stop to that, make sure everyone's over the age of 18.
My last suggestion would be to uncensored Japanese pornography as when a society is so. Sexually repressed weird shit happens.
Of course this won't happen but it's nice to think of solutions and why this happening rather than being like Japan's so weird.
Theonik
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Well Japan, while a generally conservative country is generally more tolerant to this kind of business. It's an example of unhindered capitalism really. These sorts of establishments aren't appealing to the mainstream but can survive because of their relative scarcity and being able to reach an audience that is willing to pay large premiums for their gimmick of sorts. Of course for many Japanese people these sorts of establishments are not very reputable, but Japan in general appears to be pretty slow or unwilling to intervene. (even more so when compared through the lens of western standards, noting that it's not too long ago, only decades really that this sort of thing could be observed in much of the western world as well)
It's a part-time job for teenagers. They are not exactly trapped, it's a temporary gig. (naturally) For a high school student, they'd be looking at jobs like this or other service industry jobs, as for why these girls pursue these jobs when there is other opportunities, is that these places often pay pretty well compared to other part-time gigs and there is girls that also find this work appealing. Otherwise these places couldn't exist. I am not defending the practice or trying to rationalise it or victim blame. Most of these girls are in it because it's one of the easiest way for them to make money quickly in their position. The real question lies in whether it should be permitted or not.
It's almost certainly a reporting issue. Until recently Japan almost complete ignored child abuse, sexual or physical. The government only started keeping national numbers in the 1990s, and didn't have comprehensive laws on the subject until 2000. There was no culture, nor legal obligation, for third party reportage until then.
Japan is just now going through what we went through in the sixties and seventies, where child physical and sexual abuse finally starts being treated as a societal, rather than a family issue.
Historically, cultures come to grips with physical abuse before they do sexual abuse of children, so I'd be surprised if the sexual abuse numbers don't keep going up until they reach something close to the actual number, in the same way they did here and elsewhere.
SenorArdilla
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Thanks for noticing (again), mainstream media. Stuff like this happens all the time and it is going to get buried again by the huge pile of celebrity news and pop culture trivia.
I think we're kinda calling it as we see it. Not trying to start an argument, because frankly I don't have the energy for it, but with some very brief research, it's fairly easy to see that there are plenty who justify the sexualization of VERY young girls with that kind of crap. Hell I've seen people here on this forum defending this shit, and I've seen real-life dudes in comic shops thirsting over these anime girls, sweaty palms and all. Where's the line??
CornBurrito
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Also does this sort of thing have anything to do with why Catholicism is somewhat popular in Japanese anime?
Remember Vice doing a video on this a while ago. Yeah, it's pretty fucked up. Like extremely fucked up.
But it's deeply embedded into a country that the US has good relations with. Not sure what the US could do to change it. It'll be up to Japan to fix it themselves, which they seem to be taking small steps to fix.
But it's deeply embedded into a country that the US has good relations with. Not sure what the US could do to change it. It'll be up to Japan to fix it themselves, which they seem to be taking small steps to fix.
Sho_Nuff82
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More than treating a symptom like these creeper cafes, how about looking deeper into why Japan is so obsessed with HS in what seems like all of their popular media?
dave is ok
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For science, you are referring to date with a 16 year old right now, correct?
voodoojohn
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What I find most terrible is how your average person would rather read about how fucked up some foreign country is than look inward and work on their own issues. Pretty sad how good this makes your average reader feel.
There's no country without its own issues, so let's never criticize issues in foreign countries. Ever. Because that'd be more terrible than grown men trying to date schoolgirls.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Who specifically are you talking about? Statements like this don't hold up at all under scrutiny.
Tinfoilhatsron
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Wish I had GIF making skills cause I had the perfect idea for a response. Oh well.
You know, I don't know why. I'd be more interested in a college age Persona game but that'll never happen. Hmm...
As an adult who works with teenagers this disgusts me to no end. How anyone can think that it's appropriate for a child to even be alone with a strange adult is beyond me. Obviously a thinly veiled front for human trafficking.
And yes, I would say the exact same thing if it were happening in a country that didn't happen to be Asian.
I love Japanese games and anime too, but the way this crap filters even into those has gotten me to consider bailing on them. Supporting the people who perpetuate this as socially acceptable will only allow it to continue.
And yes, I would say the exact same thing if it were happening in a country that didn't happen to be Asian.
I love Japanese games and anime too, but the way this crap filters even into those has gotten me to consider bailing on them. Supporting the people who perpetuate this as socially acceptable will only allow it to continue.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
As disturbing as this is, my faith has been renewed in humanity after seeing the first page without the airplane pic.
Ohmygoditsjrod
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I remember hearing that is because life pretty much becomes work after that point. Like they are worked to the fucking bone so they escape to a time they remember being good.
It is an interesting thing since it is such a popular setting. Maybe it is the last period when one is carefree or maybe peaking in highschool.
Northeastmonk
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It's now being talked about while geek culture could have done reports on this years ago. I'm not an expert, but of course I probably know more than I care to know.
They're informing people while they could have just asked someone. I don't agree to this whatsoever. I find the whole age of consent thing as being a double edge sword. You have a government or in our case a state, telling people what age is good enough. People are going to abuse that age to the fullest, which is what you're seeing in Japan. What if states agreed to age 16 and they started a dating service for it?
They're informing people while they could have just asked someone. I don't agree to this whatsoever. I find the whole age of consent thing as being a double edge sword. You have a government or in our case a state, telling people what age is good enough. People are going to abuse that age to the fullest, which is what you're seeing in Japan. What if states agreed to age 16 and they started a dating service for it?
GraveHorizon
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I used to think Japan was so much better than America back when I was a major weeaboo. Now it's pretty obvious that they they're seriously corrupt over there on a large scale, they're just more open about it. The fact that the Junior Idol business was
even a thing makes me think they've got a long way to go. The first thing they need to do is get the dirty old men in power out of there, and get some new blood behind the wheel.
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voodoojohn
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True that. I expected to see it 1 or 2 posts down, but I'm glad I didn't.
Dark Ninja
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Damn that merchandising, respect that marketing department.
She even has a sci-fi ninja outfit
At worst it's demonizing Japanese men... who want to date schoolgirls. This has nothing to do with bashing Japan as a whole IMO. It's good to shed light on these issues.
Holy WHAT!? When a sexualized 17 year old is your tourism mascot, do you realize who you're trying to convince to come chill in your country?
Tinfoilhatsron
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I thought high school was harder (perhaps more regimented) than say college in Eastern culture? Why high school and not college?
Yeah, I thought so to until I actually saw some documentary talking about this specific subject not too long ago. Shit is just grody and I hope Japan wakes the hell up and puts a stop to it soon.
FalsettoVibe
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Seriously....wow
Are there actually Japanese people with light brown hair and hazel eyes?
Japan's whole view on youth overall seems unhealthy along with their culture of working all the time as they get older is a double whammy. They really need a positive cultural growth to fix some of the ills of their society. They might be able to start producing kids again for one.
Angelus Errare
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No. I doubt the pedophilia shit in the Catholic Church got much coverage there since there aren't many Catholics in Japan.
The prominence of Catholic imagery in anime is more likely because Catholicism has some of the most ostentatious visual imagery among monotheism.
Every country focuses on youth. Teenage porn is one of the most sought after porn genres there is.
Shouta
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Yeah. Pretty rare but there are Japanese that do have brown hair naturally. I don't remember eye color too well though but I'm sure there are folks there that will have it.
CornBurrito
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Show me a site in English with "barely legal" porn or something. You won't find it. Western countries don't tolerate such depravity.
RustyNails
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Many people are expressing shock over this statement but unfortunately it seems to be a common attitude in Asian societies. Only very recently in India women started delaying getting married (like since the 90's). Otherwise, the idea is for a girl to get married as soon as she finishes school or college.
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