Shmuppers
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That law pertains to airsoft guns, which is explicitly not what the kid had. Could also be disputed as to if the place where he pulled the BB gun out was a "public space"
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Columbus cops shoot and kill a 13 year old with a BB gun
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That law pertains to airsoft guns, which is explicitly not what the kid had. Could also be disputed as to if the place where he pulled the BB gun out was a "public space"
Ok? And?
No, it pertains to airsoft and pellet guns. Which is what a BB gun is, don't be dense.
Come on, you can do it
Facts are the kid got killed there Gotdatmoney. This is a discussion, not me saying my opinion is fact. I'm also entitled to give my opinion.
Shmuppers
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Ah then, sorry. What does the legality of the kid having a BB gun at night have to do with this case anyway?
stufte
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No one knows yet. It just happened.
If you bringing up (steadily declining) violent crime rates wasn't an attempt to excuse the rate of killings by American police, then I do not even know what the point of bringing that up was.
We know most police encounters don't end in death. We also know that far too many of them do.
Edit: didn't see that ban coming... must've missed something.
If you care enough to respond to me you should care enough to read what I was responding to.
echoshifting
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They aren't even trying to claim that he did in either of these stories, so there is a 0% chance that that happened.
For the sake of this argument, you kind of have to drop the whole BB gun angle. It looks exactly like a real gun. There is no way to distinguish it from a real gun. The carrier of the weapon doesn't have a neon sign on his chest that says "BB Gun" or "Real Gun".
So, is it illegal to carry around an unholstered handgun in an open carry State?
No, I think if you want to craft a narrative you can do it yourself. Feel free to make the argument that the cop knew he was over 18 and provide the evidence of that in this specific case.
Gotdatmoney
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What you are saying in response to carrying a BB gun is not a crime is "blah blah blah you put yourself in this position blah blah I'm a good parent and wouldn't let that happen." You are putting out the definition of victim blaming a child in a specific instance without the slightest idea of why they were in that situation. I'm calling it out because its disgusting.
Miggytronz
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Pretty much Chicago.
Very well said
EdibleKnife
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There's no evidence in this specific case that a gun was pointed at the officer. There are actual studies about the perception of black children as more mature/older than they are whereas studies on people cornered by officers pulling out guns they know are fake are scant.
Like that in every thread like this.
Person with authority. Person that carries a gun at all times. Person that's literal job is to protect the citizens. Person that will have the city, state, police institution, police union, law, and even the sympathy of the jury behind them.
Forgive me for assuming a police officer is automatically guilty on the internet. Somebody needs to think of the police officers in America!
Gordon Shumway
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Wife told me about this while I was making lunch..made me walk the dogs and skip it.
Shmuppers
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I agree with you. I am not defending the cop's decision making ability, that comment was aimed more towards those that are so quick to assume that the cop was entirely at fault without all of the facts out yet.
adamsappel
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Fair enough. I don't think he was throwing it away due to the social/political climate either, but because he was being chased by a police officer. "I'll toss this" just seems more likely to be the real action rather than "I'll turn and scare the officer away or maybe hit him in the eye with a BB."
I'm still criticizing that many people's first instinct is to figure out how the black child contributed to his own death, rather than to disbelieve what a police officer says.
Seriously? You suggesting the kid was saying "Hey its not real, let me toss it aside" and the officer still shot him, and you can't fault the officer for that?
Vicetrailia
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I think it's more about not believing their story because they are highly likely cast a narrative that protects them. The kid is dead, and so they can especially say what they please. And they will.
The Hamburglar
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Why are people giving cops the benefit of the doubt? They are know to lie and literally make stuff up to fit their narratives. More likely they just shot the kid because he ran and then said he drew on them.
Bodycams will only work if they are constantly uploading the data to a server that the cops do not know the location off that is maintained by people with a healthy skepticism of the police.
As they are know it is too easy for them to run out of battery or fall off or gosh darn it it just didn't record this time how weird.
As they are know it is too easy for them to run out of battery or fall off or gosh darn it it just didn't record this time how weird.
GrizzleBoy
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I'm 100% sure this kid kmows that pullng a non lethal weapon shaped like a gun on police is how you de in America.
Which is why I cant believe that hed do it.
Which is why I cant believe that hed do it.
Shmuppers
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That's hard for me to accept.
Why?
This happens, this happens so obviously and often and is so well protected that cops can actually show videos that contradict what they say and still not come to any discipline for it.
Captin Quacker
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So we've got people defending the cops despite the fact this has happened twice in the past and we later found out the cops lied both times?
Amazing
Amazing
Shmuppers
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I can accept that it happens, as it is well documented as you said. It just bums me out because I've always had a high opinion of police officers.
For context, I'm white and have had very little interaction with them, so I guess that's why I would think that.
The Last Wizard
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At a Burger King drive thru...
Well technically if he's a 13 year old black kid he's an adult. /s
Corronchilejano
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Came around to see if someone was already judging the kids character. Leaving satisfied
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and depressed
blankempathy
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And tossing the weapon probably was the more likely action. However that doesn't mean it was impossible that he'd be dumb enough to point the bb gun at the cop. Maybe he was trying to toss the gun? Maybe he made a really bad choice? Or hell maybe it's none of the above and the cop caught a glimpse of the weapon in his waistband and opened fire. I don't know what the truth is so it's best to wait for more answers. At the same time I'm not going to sit here and outright deny that one of those scenarios above happened either. What does tunnel vision ever accomplish?
As a kid growing up in the 80s my mother fought to never allow me to play with toy guns. It took some fighting just to get a super soaker. Heck even my GI Joes were forced to fight hand to hand. Her concern was that a cop might mistake it for a real gun and shoot me. I thought it was silly at the time. Now looking back.....not so silly.
Sho_Nuff82
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Already been pointed out, but this luxury is rarely afforded to the people who are killed and can't tell their version of the story. They are summarily judged and executed on the spot.
Open carry means that cops logically have to ask you for your license in order to determine if your visible firearm is legal. You cannot simultaneously hold the position that the perpetrator looked like an adult suspect and that he was a child who obviously didn't have a license to carry. Firing on someone for simply carrying in an open-carry state is a violation of their civil rights.
Even the gun nuts of Ohio agree.
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Fucking hell! This is the bb gun the kid had. Can you seriously blame the cops when somebody pulls this out. Who ever is the maker of this thing should get sued to hell!
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/15/us/ohio-columbus-police-kill-teen/
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/15/us/ohio-columbus-police-kill-teen/
Fucking hell! This is the bb gun the kid had. Can you seriously blame the cops when somebody pulls this out. Who ever is the maker of this thing should get sued to hell!
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/15/us/ohio-columbus-police-kill-teen/
It is legal to open carry real guns there, so why does this matter?
Gotdatmoney
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Some of the comments made. How could they ever think that shit is okay?
And until I see a video (if I suppose, hopefully a business security camera caught it), I am not buying that a kid pulled out a bb gun to fight the cops. Anything is possible, but no way would I buy just the words of cops who killed him. We have been down this road before. Show me some proof.
adamsappel
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You best start believing in ghost stories.
That's hard for me to accept.
You don't see that trying to figure out some narrative where it's the black kid's overt fault he was shot isn't just another kind of tunnel vision? We "wait for more answers," but meanwhile here's why the cop is probably right to kill him. Why are we (as a society) trying so hard to immediately believe what the cop says, despite all the video evidence of lying? I don't think people automatically believe what politicians say, what corporations claim, etc.
Sho_Nuff82
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Yeah, about that. Reposted for new page:
Open carry means that cops logically have to ask you for your license in order to determine if your visible firearm is legal. You cannot simultaneously hold the position that the perpetrator looked like an adult suspect and that he was a child who obviously didn't have a license to carry. Firing on someone for simply carrying in an open-carry state is a violation of their civil rights.
Even the gun nuts of Ohio agree.
Open carry means you can legally have a gun on you if it's holstered and in plain sight. It doesn't mean you can carry it around in your hand, or conceal it, and you most definitely cannot reach for it, or pull it on an officer when they're trying to detain you.
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