Glorified G
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Which is not multi touch. And it's not shipping with a harddrive. $250 is not out of the realm of possibility.
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CPU Wii U just as powerful as PS3, X360, GPU 1,5 times stronger
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Which is not multi touch. And it's not shipping with a harddrive. $250 is not out of the realm of possibility.
Well, the article says:
/native speaker
- CPU just as powerful as that of PS3 AND xbox360... (errr are they equally powerful?)
- GPU one-and-a-half times more powerful than the xbox360 GPU
- AC3 is now looking worse on WiiU (less detail, worse framerate), because new hardware, but will be of the same "quality" by release.
/native speaker
Keep ignoring the point. I've already won this argument. You're just making yourself look bad.
Opus Angelorum
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Wasn't that the whole idea?
How can that be possible if some of the games use the Wii remote?
Lol. Imagine how the Nintendo conference would have fared without Pikmin.
shinra-bansho
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At launch it will be the most expensive console option, presumably, for approximately a year.
After which it will continue competing on the low-end with the PS360. While the PS4X3 will presumably be delivering a a more visible generational leap.
Essentially the tablet must catch on.
There are certain aspects I don't see improving, including the ground textures. Its not a huge deal, it won't affect the quality of the game, and in a way its still charming, but nothing in any way shape or form even approaching "impressive" on any level.
Was thinking about it, allthough it should end up in community.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Parallax occlusion mapping is using a normal map and a height map (aka a dispacement map) to a limited occlusion effect without actually modifying the underlying mesh. It's an evolution over bumpmapping, but proper displacement mapping (preferably with tessellation) is the real thing and it trumps those prev techniques (real thing in the sense that it fakes nothing - that's actual 3D surface detail).
Souldriver
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I"ll be blunt and say they shouldn't even have bothered making it "somewhat better" than the PS360.
Just like with the Wii, the extra power over the other consoles won't be put to use anyway.
Developers aren't familiar with the console, and are not really interested in it, and won't put their A teams and big money behind it. You end up with ports from games developed for PS360 (and for PS2 in case of the Wii), so they'll at best look the same, realistically look worse than said PS360/PS2 games. And then, the whole industry moves on to actual next gen, and the games output for WiiU will stop.
Just like with the Wii, the extra power over the other consoles won't be put to use anyway.
Developers aren't familiar with the console, and are not really interested in it, and won't put their A teams and big money behind it. You end up with ports from games developed for PS360 (and for PS2 in case of the Wii), so they'll at best look the same, realistically look worse than said PS360/PS2 games. And then, the whole industry moves on to actual next gen, and the games output for WiiU will stop.
They most likely did it because they could without it costing much more. I'd be surprised if they added a bit more power because they thought that would attract 3rd parties.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I thought it was clear I was saying cheapest in reference to Sony/MS's new consoles.
As for the rest of your post, again, just like the Wii situation. They had to hope motion control caught on, and it did. We'll see if the tablet catches on. With the positive reviews from press, I personally think it will outside of GAF. Also, don't underestimate the streaming aspect's appeal to families.
Chû Totoro
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It's not complicated. You want a 300 Wii-U then you'll have a system just a little bit more powerful than the actual generation. You're ok for 600 then you'll have double power.
Just think what most of the players in the world are willing to pay you'll find Nintendo's logic.
I've personnaly paid full price for a day one PS3 but I won't pay 600 for a new system so Sony and Microsoft won't have my money only if the can match a descent price (500 at most and I'll buy only one of the two systems because they'll end up being too similar).
Even if a lot of people here seems to want very very powerful systems I'm not sure they all understand that you must pay for what you want.
Just think what most of the players in the world are willing to pay you'll find Nintendo's logic.
I've personnaly paid full price for a day one PS3 but I won't pay 600 for a new system so Sony and Microsoft won't have my money only if the can match a descent price (500 at most and I'll buy only one of the two systems because they'll end up being too similar).
Even if a lot of people here seems to want very very powerful systems I'm not sure they all understand that you must pay for what you want.
lwilliams3
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Software and middleware optimizations will improve as time goes on, and you have to remember that final dev kits just came out a few weeks ago. For the 5th/final kits, Nintendo was apparently making some adjustments to the hardware. This, in addition to being pre-launch, means that graphics will likely improve as
The final specs may be 2GB total: 1.5GBs accessible for users while =< 512MB is reserved for the OS. As time goes on, Nintendo may allow more access to the other RAM as software tools becomes more efficient.
Thank you for commenting. The Wii U is not over 4 times more powerful than the 360/PS3 in all specs, so it may not simply outpace those machines that has 6/7 years worth of optimizations done on them with mainly brute force alone.
I consider Nintendo to be risk averse.
3D, motion, second screen are things they have been experimenting on for decades and have included only when their costs where "negligeable".
Managing a hardcore IP is a several hundred millions plan over the course of less than a decade, and consummers being who they are, you get no firm reassurance your investment won't end up costing more than what you get for.
Nintendo focuses their strategy on their conception of fun and family entertainment, which is the proven receipt for long term success (as children need to play, and you don't want to shotgun someone's face while your kid is playing lego on the carpet).
Pleasing the 20/30s male living at mom's home or underfurnished appartment is strange to them...but they are obvioulsy wrong to some extent relative to the success of COD, Halo and Uncharted, yet those 3 franchises are extremly costly and their success is on the balance when each new installment comes out.
As long as Mario is the Mickey of gaming, they won't go full technological gears. I've made my peace with it. No it's just a matter for me to consider if Mario is worth the hardware investment.
I was excited by the prospect of gaming on the pad because my projector requires me to close the curtains and live like a bear.
The SE and Epic engines demos have killed any chance my AAA games will be played on WiiU even for the screenpad, I think the relative humble WiiU graphics shown and the new engines reveal is the perfect hardcore storm and that both Sony and MS have pulled some strings in order for that to happen.
Nintendo is soloing because of their bank, while MS/Sony are still ready to put forth incredible tech to please their shareholders/stakeholders.
none of them is right, but even though Nintendo has underwhelmed me, I must admit their business take is more moral in that they privilege accessibility.
In gaming, the more is the merrier. That it's about the number of gamers or pixels is relative to your opinions, but it's bordering a socialist vs capitalist kinda talk.
Games Industry is rotten, let's face it.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Ok. Why is not every "tightly scripted corridor environment" * ps3- or 360-exclusive title not looking technically on-par with Uncharted?
* for the record, I disagree with that description. I think that the uncharted series offer more than enough open areas/vistas, but that's of little relevance to the argument.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
It would be nice if we could get the last one reopened. Starting a new one might not catch on. There's no sensible reason not to have a "speculation" thread even after E3. One, we still don't know what's running the box, and there are alot of details yet to be learned about online plans, pricing and launch, etc.
I suppose Nintendo fans want to play Nintendo games regardless of the power of the machine. If it can get third party multiplatform games on top of that the better, nobody will say no to good games. What Nintendo fans want from 3rd parties are exclusive titles that use the console possibilities and this doesn't require the console to be on par with the future ps4/720.
The ones asking for more power are those that -would- like to buy the occasional Nintendo games but doesn't justify the purchase of a new console only for them.
Always-honest
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But can it run Pikmin3?
I don't believe a second all studios will abandon a 150 millions userbase overnight. PS3, x360, Vita and Wii U form a pillar which will be supported for years. A next gen only support future would be suicidal, and not only for japanese studios.
walking fiend
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Wii U version has worse graphics and is blurry and textures are just shit... no surprise from the crap Nintendo has put in the box, weak sauce.... ughhhh... lol Nintendo
I am pretty sure that is what every reply would be if it wasn't the Wii U version which is the blurry one
Yeah, it has been confirmed:
Pikmin 3 Wii U will be Miyamoto's ideal Pikmin game
"Originally, I was making Pikmin 3 to be launched on the Wii platform. Because the Wii U is capable of HD quality pictures, and will be accompanied by the subscreen on your hand. I thought that I would be able to make a Pikmin that was closer to my ideal. I am now actually enjoying myself, working on the game."
Pikmin 3 supports both Pad-only and Wiimote/chuck play
shinra-bansho
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Oh, it was. I was just noting that even if this threads specs are false, the generations aren't nearly as delineated as in the past.
Right now I think the PS360 owe some of their sales to the collapsed Wii market - with Wii-only owners transitioning and upgrading to HD. The lack of stark visual difference between the PS360 and the WiiU will mean it will largely be competing for these buyers, rather than people looking for an upgrade from the HD twins. And I think the latter will continue to sell into the next gen like the PS2 did at the start of this gen.
I really can't see the novelty of touch screen gaming being remotely close to motion gaming; considering iOS gaming.
But what Pad-only means? It doesn't seem like the main action can be displayed on the tablet screen.
Agreed, and im fine with it or any new thread staying in community.
Id really like to discuss the pros and cons of the Wii U with likeminded prospective buyers without threads collapsing under the weight of petty snipes or bitching about the power. Its nausiating.
more RTSy view when pad only.
GoldGAF only? maybe mods should institute new trolling rules now we know Nintendo's approach (regarding 3rd parties) is not MS/Sony's.
carefull.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Yes, and for me its a time savior as I can skim it for news and interesting discussions and when I reach the end leave the tab open as a thread bookmark.
shinra-bansho
Member
There's the giant elephant in the room of Apple though, whose target demographic for gaming I would say most overlaps with that which made the Wii such a success - the "expanded audience."
I would wager the market that wants Agni's Philosophy and Unreal Engine 4 powered games running on PS4/X3 aren't going to be satisfied with gaming on an iPad. I'll personally pay for the performance upgrade and will shell out $40-60 for AAA games.
But are people still as willing to pay $40 for NintendoLand-style games when they can pay $1 for NintendoLand-style games.
To quote a post I just made on B3D:
That should put the CPU issues into perspective. Also, Nintendo used MULTI5 until at least April. To quote the MULTI6 changelog:
The CPU might be a bottleneck, but the actual problem at this point seems to be efficiency.
Sooooo. It's possible that WiiU becomes a port base for 360/PS3 titles, like Wii became a port hub for ps2 titles.
Third parties moving to ps4/720 for next-gen content. Unless of course they are extremely underpowered, but with Sony's recent statements I think the jump will actually be pretty good.
Like usual, only the exclusives will mater.
Third parties moving to ps4/720 for next-gen content. Unless of course they are extremely underpowered, but with Sony's recent statements I think the jump will actually be pretty good.
Like usual, only the exclusives will mater.
Always-honest
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plagiarize
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yep. so the fact it looks like a Wii game in HD shouldn't really be that surprising. let's not obsess over the lack of one graphical technique though. it didn't do anything so advanced as POM, but Galaxy had bump mapping all over the place on the Wii. i'm sure also that there are plenty of PS3 and 360 games with flat textures, and i know that hardly any do the POM shown in that screenshot. what percentage of PS3 / 360 games have DOF effects that look as nice as the ones in Pikmin 3?
should we really expect a game moved over to the Wii U from the Wii to represent everything it can do graphically?
are people honestly saying that Assassin's Creed 3 in the unfinished Wii U footage looks worse than Kameo?
I don't know. How much more powerful is Wii to the PS2/XBOX1
w00pdiw00p
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1.2 Gamecubes
LegendofJoe
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This news article is based on a poor source, so it will not create a good discussion. There really should be some sort of standard on GAF where mods have to approve "news" threads like this before they can be posted.
So it's almost as powerful as Xbox1 then. Like by a fraction.
Correct me if I am wrong.
I think it's hard to take what Sony says at face value. Mainly because of the issues Sony as a whole are facing. It's questionable if they can afford to have a big jump in power and take a loss on the system. They are already bleeding money and having to fire thousands of employees. Shareholders would lose their minds if they repeat another PS3 or anything close to that.
I honestly don't think Sony needs to do that big of a jump looking at The Last of Us and Beyond. I think they could honestly get away with a more efficient PS3 (more ram as one big improvement as that was a big issue for the PS3) showing up as a PS4 to match what Nintendo is doing. If only because it forces the hand of 3rd party developers and puts Sony in control instead of having 3rd party telling them what to do. Publishers/developers will be faced with a choice. Do they put a more powerful 360 first when it comes to development or the PS4/Wii U which might be closer to each other first and then just port up and be able to have a more equal product spread around? Not to mention development cost would be lower if the PS4/WiiU were lead skus compared a 720 ends up being more powerful.
Edit:
Thinking more. If the Wii U isn't significantly more powerful then the PS3/360 I not going to lose any sleep on it. A game like ZombiU, if it can deliever or not and doesn't end up a Red Steel 1 doesn't matter, has shown me that unique experiences can be had on the system. If more of that happens with Nintendo games and a few 3rd party games I'll be happy. I'm buying the Wii U for Nintendo's IPs. I'll be happy if 3rd parties are there in some fashion. I have no problem if Wii U versions are running on Low to Medium settings compared to the other newer systems possibly running games on High or Ultra. If Low/Medium is how games look now on the PS3/360 I'll be fine.
Souldriver
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Funny heh?
But it's exactly what happened with the previous generational switch. The total userbase of the PS2 generation was also massive (PS2, GC, Xbox, PSP) and there was certain money to be made in it. So the Wii should have been a welcome stopgap until the PS360 generation gained critical mass and became affordable.
Yet that didn't happen at all. The big developers obviously had a roadmap for how and when they would enter next gen, and had invested massive amounts of money in the new generation. Even though they were bleeding money for the first, what, 4 year of the PS360 generation, they still followed through instead of redirecting focus to the less risky and cheaper Wii. I guess their is a point of no return; if you invest 100 million dollars in engines/teams/... for a new console generation, you simply can't leave all you've done on the shelve and go back to the previous generation, because you're bleeding money. It's best to bite the bullet than to stand still and be caught with your pants down when eventually the generational shift does catch on.
Same thing will happen here. All developers and platform holders obviously have a roadmap that says the end of 2013 will be the start of next-gen. And they'll all divert their focus to that in the coming months. Wii U will get some leftover projects from the PS360 generation, and perhaps some cheap -sure to make a profit- games to fund their initially expensive PS4/720 projects.
It's better in some areas and worse in others. It's also not "1.2 Gamecubes". The whole multiplier thing doesn't work. It's a 50% faster CPU and a 50% faster GPU, plus IO processor, and it has much more RAM with three times the aggregate bandwidth (two high speed memory pools, each one being 1.5 times as fast). I have no idea how to boil all that down to a single multiplier.
w00pdiw00p
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Well the xbox is around 1.2 gamecube, the ps2 around 0.8. We all know that the wii is 2 gamecubes so it is anywhere between 0.8 to 1.2 gamecubes more powerfull than the xbox or ps2.
w00pdiw00p
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Almost noone can, thats why we use ducttape and gamecubes!
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