ProtoByte
Member
I forgot about Sackboy Adventures, but you're right.
Unfortunately, the days where the games industry could facilitate everything and everything are done now.
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David Jaffe: Herman Hulst pushed for playstation's Japan Studios closure.
Unfortunately, the days where the games industry could facilitate everything and everything are done now.
It's pretty clear that Sony's current mindset is "blockbuster" AAA or GaaS games. That's why they closed PixelOpus and Sony Japan. Because they did not make those types of games. I'm just surprised that they haven't closed Media Molecue yet. But I have a feeling that their next project will be "make or break" type of project.
In current gaming landscape you can "get" projects that Japan or PixelOpus made in past relatively easily through indie studios (Kena) or through publishers like Annapurna (Stray), so Sony doesn't see a reason to keep this type of studios in-house.
In current gaming landscape you can "get" projects that Japan or PixelOpus made in past relatively easily through indie studios (Kena) or through publishers like Annapurna (Stray), so Sony doesn't see a reason to keep this type of studios in-house.
Drizzlehell
Banned
Jesus, why the hell would they even bother remastering that shit. The game came out barely a few years ago, you can still play it on your PS5. What is the fucking point?
How about remastering Killzone or Resistance you cunts?
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Considering so many people loved and bought TLOU 1 Remake, there is clearly a market for these remasters/remakes/ports. Sony, being a business, is simply catering to that market.
If people were not purchasing these remasters, Sony wouldn't be spending millions of $$ into making them.
tomato shrub
Member
wat Japan is more mainstream than ever before, even your average normie knows Attack of Titan these days. Persona and Nier went from selling a few 100k to multi-millions. Team Ninja is bigger than they were, Yakuza isn't on the brink of cancellation anymore and every pedo-bait Nintendo JRPG will sell at least a mill these days. Just like every other generic animu game like Code Vein. Maybe Sony should've put their Japanese resources to channel some of the popular things rn instead of Knack 2 and then go pikachu-face and shut everything down for a deadend trend like GAAS.
Reminds me of the time when Nintendo thought they can just phone in lowbudget Mario and Wii Fit forever, because hey that's what sells now, lol who needs niche core games. Sony profits much rn from Xbox fumbling so much worse, but let's what happens happens after their first GAAS things underperforms.
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Neo_GAF
Banned
in the end, everything is directed towards money. traditional videogame companies will stop existing, if they dont stay sustainable.
SE was one of the first embracing this whole in-app/GAAS crap. does someone have a list of all games they ever released on ios/android who have already been shut down?
SE was one of the first embracing this whole in-app/GAAS crap. does someone have a list of all games they ever released on ios/android who have already been shut down?
Drizzlehell
Banned
I didn't say that people aren't suckers. I just said that this is a giant waste of resources.
The people who've been put on this assignment could literally be working on some sick new game or remastering something that's not very easily accessible today. But no, let's re-release Blake Griffin's Robot Dinosaur Adventure for the fifth time because we're out of ideas.
Negotiator101
Member
An absolute shit show, if the talent ain't happy it's over, Sony would do good to remember that.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
That's what I was addressing. It's not, as long as the ROI is positive.
They spent a lot of resources in TLOU 1 Remake and they most likely got more out of it. So it wasn't a "waste" at all. It was most likely a very profitable project.
Sony must have done their research regarding Horizon's remake and project that as another profitable project, too, if they are investing in it. Not to mention that they'd like it to coincide with the Netflix's Horizon TV show.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Sony gaming has been US centric ever since the PS3. With the exception of Gran Turismo all their biggest hits were created by US or European studios: Uncharted, Last of Us, Horizon, God of War, Ratchet & Clank, Spider-Man, etc.
systemr123
Member
If that’d be true, games were not even 10% the amount of woke they are now. If Sony is centric at any place it would be the USA, you can see all the woke dripping from there.
Drizzlehell
Banned
It's a waste for games around the world. Why do you care about how much money Papa Herman is making?
nikolino840
Member
He was inside that building
BbMajor7th
Member
I mean, it's curious that Jaffe is making these complaints - he started the Bartlett Supernatural Detective Agency back in 2014 to build what was probably one of PlayStation's first service-based games (with Sony support): a free-to-play, online-only arena shooter run on a recurrent spend model. If he'd have hit it out of the park with Drawn to Death, it's not unreasonable to think Sony would've started down this path sooner.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
People that worked inside the building can and do maintain a network of relationships with those still inside the building.
That’s how the real world works.
Hypereides
Member
Dude, some guys here are interning for Sony's financial department. You gotta cut them some slack. They're clearly working over time.
Topher
Gold Member
I don't know any of that to be true, but I hope you are right. We will see.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
David Scott Jagger is the building.
YeulEmeralda
Member
This is a good point. What is the difference between Ico and Last Guardian? Production cost and development time.
The era of Sony funding passion projects are over.
Negotiator101
Member
How dare he say anything negative about PlayStation
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
They made the last guardian, gravity rush, and helped with bloodborne, sstro botand Demon souls but sure.
Hugare
Member
Yeah, 'cause I'm such a Sony fanboy.How dare he say anything negative about PlayStation
Check my post history.
Dude is crazy for attention, always has been.
Few days ago he made a huge deal about a Sony producer getting fired. Wasnt his first time, wont be his last.
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StealthGoblin
Banned
xDev Japan can replicate the From Soft support, Asobi are making Astrobot. Ueda left so they wouldn't have made any more games like that anyway.
Alongside all those efforts were many cancelled internal games and a chaotic team management structure.
I personally think the xDev route is the best route.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I have plenty of examples. I will repost them since you ignored them.
Add in remakes and remasters being made by nd, not one but two, i mean who asked for a tlou2 remaster? And now gg is remaking horizon 1.
A tier studios should not be doing remakes, gaas, and last Gen games. Sorry. This is poor stuff from Herman. 1 next Gen game since ratchet 2.5 years ago is not good enough either.
Unknown?
Member
Key word, years. Astro is better than Knack and one of Sony's best platformers ever. If you're going to compare it to the whole of Japan Studio, that isn't fair.
Also those games you listed got as much marketing as other small western games like Pursuit Force, Medievil, and Syphon Filter.
Fake
Member
Agree.
saintjules
Member
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
TLOU Remake was a big seller when it came out and then with the show. Horizon has a TV show in the works. They want the same thing to happen with that game. Not a lot of work, not a lot of people involved like a new game. You make a few extra bucks, the studio and publisher are happy and guess what? No one has to buy it if they don't want to.
Unknown?
Member
He didn't though. It was restructured. Asobi was made the main studio and Xdev was expanded to Japan which is 95% of what that studio did anyway.
BootsLoader
Banned
Unfortunately, this Sony is dead long ago. I miss this Sony also.There is no need for them to go big budget, I dont want them to......interesting AA games is more than enough for me.
Remember this game? This type of game I want to see comeback from Sony's first party games.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Yeah he sounds like an idiot and has no idea what he's doing. Imagine closing a studio that was flopping for 10 years. They should be opened just because they are japanese for sure.
Where's Knack 3?
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Exactly. Remakes/remasters are attractive because they get a product based around a proven IP, with AAA production values in a time-span closer to that of a AA game.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
So they just let their best director sit on his ass for 5 years and you don’t think that’s poor management? Sounds pretty stupid to me.
Nolan has made two movies since cory made his last game.
Glad you agree with me on the rest.
StueyDuck
Member
i'm guessing jaffe had a bit of a crush on this connie booth lady, the first reaction to the news of her departure that was apparently going to leave us all disrespected and disgusted and now with all the "burning things to the ground" comments from him.
teams move on, leadership changes, people get fired, people get hired, this is just life and business in general.
put me on team "well see what happens" , it's right between "Sony can do no wrong" and "Sony is doomed and dying, they are trying to kill us all"
teams move on, leadership changes, people get fired, people get hired, this is just life and business in general.
put me on team "well see what happens" , it's right between "Sony can do no wrong" and "Sony is doomed and dying, they are trying to kill us all"
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mansoor1980
Gold Member
these two are the future of playstation
Drizzlehell
Banned
Oh yes, I am so hyped for some rich people making even more money in the near future.
Truly my excitement is difficult to contain right now.
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StealthGoblin
Banned
I don't think people understand what an absolute shit show Japan studio was. Fluid teams that got fuck all done and had a lot of internal cancellations.
It was restructured around the one team that had a central purpose and then xDev Japan was hugely expanded (which was what Japan Studio actually had the most success with).
Now you have xDev Japan working with Team Ninja, From Software and others to actually being games out at a decent clip.
I'm not joking when I say that Astrobot feels like the most creative that Sony's efforts from Japan have been for a long time. The PS5 pack in was absolute joy.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Why is there such a stigma around Sony (or any gaming company) earning money? Is that a bad thing somehow?
Where do you think the funding comes for games like Ghost of Tsushima, Returnal, God of War, Spider-Man? Of course, from the successful projects and the money consumers spend on PlayStation products.
It's a cycle, two-way lane. Gamers buy PlayStation products and spend money. In return, PlayStation ups their budget and makes even bigger games for their gamers.
It's a win-win for everyone, and there's nothing bad or shameful about it.
Some of these games cost more than $200 million. Look at other publishers and see how cheap their games often feel with cut corners everywhere, because there is no "Success begets success" cycle going on there. And then look at PlayStation Studios titles that are simply unmatched in their production values. There is a reason for that - money.
StereoVsn
Member
Most GaaS projects fail, quite a few very quickly. This strategy absolutely has no guarantee of success and will be quite expensive to try.
blue velvet
Member
Thank god Kaz is the senior vice president of SIE and his games still selling well, I wouldn't be surprised if they shelve Gran Turismo too if that wasn't the case. Sony has abandoned the racing genre(except for GT) and 1st party Japanese oriented games and they have this weird fetish for derivative third person cinematic games.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
The early Gatling guns were notorious for failing too. Very unreliable. The one's that succeeded changed the history of warfare forever. The designs just kept improving and improving at a rate the Samura could not keep up with.
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Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
If true, fuck Herman Hulst.
Drizzlehell
Banned
There is no stigma. I just don't care what motivates them to do what they do.
Think about what they could do with the resources that they're gonna put into remaking a game that's barely a few years old, is easily accessible on both last and current gen PS consoles, and on top of that, it still looks pretty great and there's very little that they can do in terms of visual upgrades that would make the game better in any meaningful way. All that effort just to drum up some interest in a TV show that I don't even give a shit about.
Just have those people make a new game, preferably something that's not GAAS. Are you saying it's more important to you as a gamer that Sony makes an extra buck while repackaging the same shit that we already have, or would you rather see some of their older IPs get ported to modern hardware, or even get a brand new game?
