Planetside has basically no PvE content though, correct?
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Destiny: Exotic weapons fixed.... and then broken.
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Planetside has basically no PvE content though, correct?
SRTtoZ
Member
PS2 is more of an MMO too.
Correct but you at least feel like you're in a Massive universe with other people, not just a few maps with friends.
Icyflamez96
Member
I don't think we needed any kind of game as proof to draw that obvious conclusion.
Also Destiny isn't an MMO
MMO only has to do with the number of players that can be present in one game/instance/server(whatever the term is)
So yes, Planetside is an MMOFPS.
ugh_the_boot
Banned
I've seen patches in other games with more content than the whole of this garbage game and it's 'expansion' put together.
I'm gonna put this game up on ebay along with Shadows of Mordor and Lords of the Fallen this weekend. Biggest disappointment and bullshit game I have seen in all my years of gaming....so in other words since games have existed! Atleast other rubbish games don't have 500 million budgets so there is no excuse here. This game has single handedly turned me off pre-ordering/day 1 purchases without reviews. Never again can I trust game developers, thanks Bungie/Activision.
I'm gonna put this game up on ebay along with Shadows of Mordor and Lords of the Fallen this weekend. Biggest disappointment and bullshit game I have seen in all my years of gaming....so in other words since games have existed! Atleast other rubbish games don't have 500 million budgets so there is no excuse here. This game has single handedly turned me off pre-ordering/day 1 purchases without reviews. Never again can I trust game developers, thanks Bungie/Activision.
I don't hate this all that much.
I think it's cool that, when the new DLC hits, we're going to have to earn our way to 32. It won' be quick. That's fine. And I like that the "new exotics" will effectively be 32 weapons--I mean, my TLW is gonna be a base 302. It's maxxed at 300 now. That's pretty neat. But... it takes time to get through those. Me, I'm pretty good at leveling stuff up. I'm more annoyed by yet another currency than anything.
Personally, I wish the new guns had like... I dunno, a 20% XP Gain boost on 'em. This would be a LOT nicer if they gave us the XP for doing the daily, but they don't for some reason. It works for armor, but not guns.
I just don't like that they're slowing us down 'cause they don't have Bioware/Rockstar/Witcher levels of content to sate us despite having what I understand to be a considerably larger budget than all of those games combined.
I just do bounties. That's how I level my guns.
It baffles me that there are people who've worked on some of my favorite games ever that are apparently making these design decisions. What I'm playing is a content-lite game with none of the inventive weapons that made Halo cool (SHOTGUNS ARE THE WORST) and a grade school level understanding of WoW's appeal.
The only talent here, it seems, are the artists, graphics programmers, mappers (this despite the fact that their level development tool was supposed them develop content fast; they're good levels for the most part, even if there's precious few of them) and the 'gun feel' guys. The networking engineers and systems designers... ugh. Whoever's making these choices to shut down fun ways to play the game (many cheese tactics lead to more fun ways to play than running around shooting bullet sponges).
What happened to the guys who developed Sword Base, one of the greatest levels I've ever had the pleasure of playing (in part because it let me pick which way I wanted to tackle multiple objectives)? What happened to the guys who had alien guns that were fun to use?
Well, Griesemer's off at Sucker Punch working on Infamous.
I can kinda see it. What they're trying to do is let people who like their exotics (like me!) retain those exotics as viable weapons while still preserving the difficulty of obtaining new exotics.
The problem is that they don't seem to be aware that people are kinda pissed that they spent resources to max out guns that they now have to re-earn. Giving us, say, an exotic we're guaranteed not to have, or reimbursing us with an item that gives us a bunch of XP to be used on certain guns and, more importantly, those new exotic upgrade materials that some people have already spent... that'd be a good way to fix their communication, which is currently FUBAR.
I think it's cool that, when the new DLC hits, we're going to have to earn our way to 32. It won' be quick. That's fine. And I like that the "new exotics" will effectively be 32 weapons--I mean, my TLW is gonna be a base 302. It's maxxed at 300 now. That's pretty neat. But... it takes time to get through those. Me, I'm pretty good at leveling stuff up. I'm more annoyed by yet another currency than anything.
Personally, I wish the new guns had like... I dunno, a 20% XP Gain boost on 'em. This would be a LOT nicer if they gave us the XP for doing the daily, but they don't for some reason. It works for armor, but not guns.
I just don't like that they're slowing us down 'cause they don't have Bioware/Rockstar/Witcher levels of content to sate us despite having what I understand to be a considerably larger budget than all of those games combined.
I just do bounties. That's how I level my guns.
It baffles me that there are people who've worked on some of my favorite games ever that are apparently making these design decisions. What I'm playing is a content-lite game with none of the inventive weapons that made Halo cool (SHOTGUNS ARE THE WORST) and a grade school level understanding of WoW's appeal.
The only talent here, it seems, are the artists, graphics programmers, mappers (this despite the fact that their level development tool was supposed them develop content fast; they're good levels for the most part, even if there's precious few of them) and the 'gun feel' guys. The networking engineers and systems designers... ugh. Whoever's making these choices to shut down fun ways to play the game (many cheese tactics lead to more fun ways to play than running around shooting bullet sponges).
What happened to the guys who developed Sword Base, one of the greatest levels I've ever had the pleasure of playing (in part because it let me pick which way I wanted to tackle multiple objectives)? What happened to the guys who had alien guns that were fun to use?
Well, Griesemer's off at Sucker Punch working on Infamous.
I can kinda see it. What they're trying to do is let people who like their exotics (like me!) retain those exotics as viable weapons while still preserving the difficulty of obtaining new exotics.
The problem is that they don't seem to be aware that people are kinda pissed that they spent resources to max out guns that they now have to re-earn. Giving us, say, an exotic we're guaranteed not to have, or reimbursing us with an item that gives us a bunch of XP to be used on certain guns and, more importantly, those new exotic upgrade materials that some people have already spent... that'd be a good way to fix their communication, which is currently FUBAR.
I was with you up till this one.
I think a lot of the complaining here (all of which is warranted) could have been avoided if Bungie just told everyone their plans for exotic reforging WEEKS before Monday's patch.
I'm lucky I was busy a few nights this week and didn't dump an Exotic Shard into my Mask of the Third Man...otherwise, I'd probably be complaining more loudly as well.
I'm lucky I was busy a few nights this week and didn't dump an Exotic Shard into my Mask of the Third Man...otherwise, I'd probably be complaining more loudly as well.
I kind of feel like Bungie is making this shit up as they go.
http://www.bungie.net/7_Bungie-Weekly-Update---12042014/en/News/News?aid=12447
Weekly update is up. Seems they still don't realize that getting new gear and becoming less powerful (down leveling due to getting un-upgraded gear, losing perks because you exchanged your exotic) is fundamentally bad game design. The carrot on the stick design philosophy breaks down if your carrot comes with so many caveats.
Weekly update is up. Seems they still don't realize that getting new gear and becoming less powerful (down leveling due to getting un-upgraded gear, losing perks because you exchanged your exotic) is fundamentally bad game design. The carrot on the stick design philosophy breaks down if your carrot comes with so many caveats.
Lalalandia
Member
Yup reads like a press release from a government that's just thrown away it's election manifesto. Long on vague benefits, short time on hard details.
Doesn't this happen every time you get a new drop? It's half the reason I stopped buying stuff from Xur -- I know I don't really have time to level it up anyway.
Junior Mint
Member
Calling it an MMO just makes me shake my head at how poorly the social and population aspect of this game was put together. There's literally no purpose to showing other players in the tower and BARELY a purpose for showing other people in the world except for a throwaway public events feature. The other players might as well be AI controlled.
sturgboski
Member
Well the carrot is now getting that gear upgrade to where it was before but with 30 more damage. So its still there. Also the carrot of getting better vendor gear from an arbitrarily longer treadmill (get a commendation per rank coupled with marks letting you buy gear).
I mean the shit thing is that everyone of these changes points to the obvious fact that we the players are paying $20 for next to no content. 1-2 hours of extra content that for all intents and purposes looks like reskins of things we have done numerous times. I can't wait to fire up the first story mission and have to defend dinklebot for three waves and a boss like every mission in the base game. So yeah there is hardly any content in the base game and now hardly any in the expansion. The only way to get the players invested to buy the second expansion (which is already projected to have the same lack of content) is to create arbitrary treadmills, gates and carrots so far out on a stick its absurd. And sadly some people thank Bungie for this.
eighty(one)
Member
Here's my take on all of this bullshit:
I attended the Destiny midnight launch and picked up both my White Destiny PS4 + Ghost Edition; I've been consistently playing this game since the Alpha + Beta + launch.
I feel that this update screws over the players who've played the longest and worked the hardest to attain the best they can, with how cruel the game can be with rewards. I haven't attempted the Raid of Nightfall/heroic Strikes (no close Destiny playing friends and all lol)...
...therefore, I only have a couple of exotics I've been able to purchase from Xur and one that dropped after a Strike. I've maxed the Strike drop (Hard Light) already and have been working on leveling the other 2 (Plan C/Patience and Time). It's been a massive sink and while enjoyable, to get the most of the time I've already spent, I get nothing for my completed work post DLC.
Anyone who gets a new exotic after the patch will have a base damage level higher than my maxed prepatch exotic? Is this correct? If so, where is the justice for those who've put in the time, materials and work?
How do I upgrade my current maxed exotic? I have like 4 Strange coins...
This shit sucks and as somebody whose recommended the game adnauseum to clients (I'm a hairstylist), I'll soon be telling them to avoid Destiny. I've spent a good chunk of $ on Destiny and I feel like Bungie is being shady and royally dicking us over.
The least Bungie could do is give a couple complimentary shards to say 'sorry, this will ease the pain - the first upgrade is on us' - but no...
Fuck Bungie.
Anyone who gets a new exotic after the patch will get a weapon with marginally more attack value (300 vs 302), but no perks active.
If you don't have anyone to play with and don't want to put in the effort to find people to play with, Destiny is probably not the game for you. They really should have had matchmaking available for Weekly Heroics though. Doing it for Nightfall or Raids would probably be a disaster though.
lazybones18
Banned
No exotic engrams from Xur this weekend. There goes 78 motes of light gone to waste
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
The thing is that Planetside wasn't a hybrid though. It was an MMO FPS. Simply a game genre on a more grander scale.
Destiny is an attempt to marry a FPS with an MMORPG. A VERY different thing. As we are seeing, I don't think that is a very successful endeavor.
Sanpei
Member
Ppl still playing this ?
Doing same strike 158 times, doing same bounty missions 268 times..Then you are done..You can get your exotic weapon and join to Raid...
Bungie you should think carefully, do better design...I will not buy expansion definitely...
So many better games are available now...
Doing same strike 158 times, doing same bounty missions 268 times..Then you are done..You can get your exotic weapon and join to Raid...
Bungie you should think carefully, do better design...I will not buy expansion definitely...
So many better games are available now...
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Next week at Xur.
DryvBy
Member
This weekend doesn't work? And does it cost coin/mote?
I can't read the article due to work is why I'm asking.
The upgrading system is being implemented when the Expansion launches.
And Xur will only have a select amount of exotics that you can upgrade. So if you have a main gun you want to upgrade and he doesn't have it available to upgrade at the time...well you have to wait until whatever week he'll have it to upgrade it. :c
hemo memo
Member
To buy emblems from The Speaker... yay.
MythicReclaimer
Member
I think Motes of Light rather than Strange Coins should be the currency to buy the Exotic Shard from Xur in order to upgrade already acquired Exotic gear. Maybe make it like 10 or 15 Motes of Light instead of 7 considering the amount of Motes of Light you can build up over time.
hemo memo
Member
A better buy options. Motes of Light earned from XP yet the only use is to buy emblems now.
it costs a shard.
squidhands
Member
DeeJ tweeted that Exotic Engrams will come more sporadically in the future:
I hope the near-constant repetition of gear being offered from week to week also becomes more sporadic.
Bad idea. Motes are much harder to come by than coins. I have almost 200 coins now. I have only 30 motes, and that's collected over 2 weeks. I can get 27 coins in just one week, and a fraction of the effort. Motes take hours. PEACE.
Nightfalls are just a bit harder strikes with also no co-ordination or strategy necessary, so matchmaking would easily work for that too.
IISANDERII
Member
Heh, I was far less disappointed than you but sold my copy weeks ago. And I rarely ever sell my games.
From the last update from DeeJ...
Yeah... I'm gonna wait to upgrade a lot of my maxed exotics. I've spent soo much time maxing out exotic weapons to want to start them all over again, even if they will not come with a higher base damage. If there was an option to level three exotic weapons at once (one per class) that would be okay but to have to equip and level one at a time will be a long process.
Yeah... I'm gonna wait to upgrade a lot of my maxed exotics. I've spent soo much time maxing out exotic weapons to want to start them all over again, even if they will not come with a higher base damage. If there was an option to level three exotic weapons at once (one per class) that would be okay but to have to equip and level one at a time will be a long process.
CloudyTuba
Member
After it became clear to me that this game was going to be a lot of trial and error for Bungie, I decided to shelve it for an indefinite amount of time and come back after they've worked out a lot of the kinks.
Seems like it's still a bit rough for you guys. Maybe after the second expansion drops I'll return. By then maybe the game will have enough content to make me happy.
Seems like it's still a bit rough for you guys. Maybe after the second expansion drops I'll return. By then maybe the game will have enough content to make me happy.
PedroLumpy
Member
Yes, more bars to fill is the same as fun right?
I can't believe we went from Firefight to this.
I can't believe we went from Firefight to this.
Yeah, far be it from anyone to want the CHOICE to be able to matchmake for Nightfalls or Raids right, How terrible would that be?
I dont get Bungie any more, their design decisions for Destiny continue to baffle me and they've gone from a company who would always listen to fan feedback to one which rigidly refuses to accommodate what are in my eyes totally reasonable requests. their 'vision' for Destiny doesn't mean much if it's at odds with what it's players want.
Anton Sugar
Member
This is a statement that's only valid in hindsight. Destiny was billed as this amazing, emergent social gaming experience.
they could at least have hangout / meetup mechanic built into the game.
why can't you go into an "I'm prepping for the nightfall/raid/daily" room in the tower and recruit a squad.
of course, if you add matchmaking, none of that's necessary, but a room would let people talk.
honestly I wonder about people who are trying to play the game without reading forums. they probably have NO IDEA AT ALL how to do anything. if you don't about destinylfg and don't have a bunch of friends that play, what kind of game are you left with?
joecanada
Member
the longer you stay in a destiny thread, the more chance you will see an inevitable post of something like
"if you don't like X, destiny is probably not the game for you"
pretty much sums up the whole game. sure wish I hadn't bought the LE now...
It should have been billed as this boring, repetitive grindfest with crappy, unrewarding loot drops that will drive you mad up the walls
ArkkAngel007
Member
I was speaking more in regards to AssMats. Filling up the gauges is simple enough. It's having to rely on RNG and Bungie's increasing intolerance to progression with the AssMats that are the difficulty.
Because people after playing some godawful number of hours are insistent about banging their heads against the game, then complaining that it doesn't work the way they wanted it to. There was someone earlier in this thread that said something basically to the extent of "I am not having fun with this game, but I am going to play the expansion so I can get my money's worth." Good god, just stop playing.
At some point it's smarter to just tell people to give up. If you aren't willing to put the effort in to exploring group content, then hold off until there's hooks for that stuff.
SirMossyBloke
Member
So how do we know which exotics are gonna be on the list to upgrade? If we don't know then how do we decide which regular exotics should be leveled up and which ones should be left to upgrade at Xur?
I don't want to spend even more time leveling up and exotic only to find I should have waited and upgraded it. On the flip side I don't want an exotic weapon sitting in the vault waiting if an upgrade is never gonna come for it.
MythicReclaimer
Member
I get lots of Motes of Light turning in blue engrams and whatnot, not just by XP. Where as, like you said, you can get 27 strange coins a week doing the Heroic Weekly Strike with 3 different characters. I have put 220 hours in the game and have gotten far more Motes of Light. Must be a result of the loot madness given the varying results.
Edit: I should also say that I do get a decent amount of Strange Coins randomly from engrams and whatnot as well but not nearly as many as Motes of Light, this is my experience at least.
xplicitone
Member
I'm pissed there's no engram from Xur this weekend. I would totally gamble a couple times for a chest piece that I need to hit 30.
No I would not want motes to buy stuff instead of coins. If anything, an either/or because Strange Coins are the only static source of income via heroic weeklies. Motes are too random.
No I would not want motes to buy stuff instead of coins. If anything, an either/or because Strange Coins are the only static source of income via heroic weeklies. Motes are too random.