I believe Cerny when he says the GPU will be able to run 2.23ghz most of the time. Its just that the GPU has to rest inbetween and we dont know how long it can run at full clock and what kind graphics have to be pushed to demand the full 2.23ghz.
Yes its not standard, thats why they labeled it variable frequency.
You mean games that no one cares about maybe other than Ori because its new and the only thing xbox has to play next considering Halo is months away?Please explain what you mean that PS5 will have the 'most experimentally different games'. If anything going by the last couple of years, it seems Sony is going in the direction of morose, beautiful walking simulators while XBox 1st party are very diverse and eye-popping with color. F.e., Bleeding Edge, Cuphead, Ori, Sea of Thieves.
That's what Cerny confirmed to Richard. So good news.I believe Cerny when he says the GPU will be able to run 2.23ghz most of the time.
Until DF start doing next gen faceoff...Oh look, DF is actually excited about the PS5 and slap down stupid TF console warriors in the first few minutes of the video.
Sony also has their own developers who make games for them. They will make use of those features where others fail. But you're right, both versions of GTA6 will be bottlenecked by XSX SSD.
I guess its just kind of hard to tell whos trolling sometimes lolBack in the days, people talks about a game (info etc).. But these day, people arguing about power of the console..
....Maybe the DF video linked in the OP may provide more clarification. The SSD discussion was more so regarding how games are designed fundamentally.
For example, instead of designing a level based on what the player can or can't see. The speed at which the SSD operates allows developers to extend past this limitation. Worlds will be seamless. Instant loading times is just an added feature.
I guess its just kind of hard to tell whos trolling sometimes lol
Until DF start doing next gen faceoff...
Unless Sony does $399, things look ugly
This is a joke right? I think you all are really overestimating the impact this deep dive had on the mainstream consumer. Even if the PS5 was the same price as the XSX, it would sell out. Fortunately, Cerny spoke several times and stated that Sony is being price conscious about the PS5. It wouldn’t surprise me if Sony does go $399-449 for the system.
This is a joke right? I think you all are really overestimating the impact this deep dive had on the mainstream consumer. Even if the PS5 was the same price as the XSX, it would sell out. Fortunately, Cerny spoke several times and stated that Sony is being price conscious about the PS5. It wouldn’t surprise me if Sony does go $399-449 for the system.
And the whole 'will sell out mentality' is why the state of ps5 is so ugly...
$399 is a must hit price for Sony.
We are almost certain series 1 will go at $499
What's haven't 'done before'?? This makes no sense at all. If they truly were being “Arrogant Sony”, why would all of their design choices reflect that of a company doing something never done before in a console at an affordable price? This isn’t Kutaragi Era Sony anymore. They know the stakes.
I don't know how much you know about Japanese culture (@MidgarBlowedUp is an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What's haven't 'done before'?
Both Sony Ms bought parts that can be available Q42020. Sony chose the cheaper route and got to use words to hide that.
Sure their ssd is faster, but look up nvme1.3 and 1.4 standards. By q4, you can buy pc ssd faster than the one in ps4. Sony only quote sequential writes, there are more to ssd specs they never disclose.
Besides going from hdd to ssd is already a great leap.
Honestly though, what excuses are being made exactly?I can agree with that.
Excuses that it currently stands, that the Xbox is more power than the PS5. Regardless if Sony can finesse the specs and they run at similar performance. From the raw specs, it appears the Xbox is more powerful. But I personally don't care who is more powerful, I was just pointing out the fact that this board would be jumping for joy if the shoe was on the other foot. And since at the moment it is not, people are bringing up stuff like what you're saying. "Oh well, they probably will be similar in performance after X, Y, Z". That was my point. But again, like I said, I personally don't care. I hope both consoles do well for us the consumers to get a great product.
Ok let requote as sony make new things with ps5 but ms does it better, in the same release time frame for the same msrp.Please show me any console in history that is built around a SSD that runs at speeds that aren’t even in consumer products on the market.
What cerny said is that same architecture with same teraflops but lower clock would be slower in other areas such as rasterization.That's what Cerny told them, it's complete nonsense.
When you pay attention to the explanation for the variable this machine will not stay locked like the XboxSX. Not because it doesn’t need the boost as you say, because it can’t maintain it at that level at all times. It will be based on a game to game bases
I guess it also depends on if the compression of xbox and ps5 only run on ssd or if ram also benefits from compression and who has the better compression if so. If sony had better compression in ram that would boosf its effective bandwidth compared to xbox., my gut tells me that xsx GPU will still be about 20% more powerful when you factor in the 25% extra ram bandwidth it has.
It was said could drop a few percent to drop power by 10%. Big difference.It was specifically stated that it could drop 10% (1TF) in demanding scenes by Cerny
The ssd is not only 2x faster, but the custom i/o has tbe equivalent of around 11 ryzen cores to remove all bottlenecks and make it 100x faster than ps4 in practice.So basically the SSD being 2x faster trumps everything.
Depends on gpu architecture. Already word is rdna2 will be multighz on pc.You will be disappointed.
Pc gpu can only sustained boost clocks with water cooling or really loud heavy air-cooling.
Your only hope is Sony somehow managed to build a cheap, safe and effective water cooling system for PS 5.
Ive read multiple times on here today that exclusives don’t matter and 95% of games are multiplatform so who cares. Of course if Xbox had them...
What I’ve learned today is we have far less enthusiasts and far more fanboys than I thought
Ok let requote as sony make new things with ps5 but ms does it better, in the same release time frame for the same msrp.
The last part about msrp is my prediction. I have been quite spot on about the state of sce of late.
Half this forum lost their marbles today forgetting this was tech talk for a developer conference and not geared towards consumers.It was a fucking GDC conference.
You guys are hilarious.
Hilarious.
To bad that’s 99% of the world, right. So what will tell you that?People that buy consoles based on Tflops are the same people that buy cameras based on the Megapixels number printed on the box.
So many co processors, sounds like. Saturn in the making. Nothing elegant about this.
I like less is better, seems MS got this.
To bad that’s 99% of the world, right. So what will tell you that?
I wonder if the Tempest audio chip will mostly go under utilized. Sound design in games usually goes unappreciated so most devs don't bother putting an extensive amount of effort there. I bet 95% of multiplat games are going to continue to do the same shit they've done since PS360 days.
XSX's SSD will not be "Slow" by any stretch of the word. But the numbers that Sony's custom SSD is putting out absolutely makes it look slow, it makes EVERYTHING look slow. I'm almost having trouble believing it's accurate.
Thats why i said this generation is going to be interesting.
Sony's console absolutely is losing in the horsepower department, but this is a rare case where their secondary innovations are absolutely an edge worth factoring into the big picture.
I've always been one to roll my eyes at gimmicks that get thrown around to try and soften the impact of lower horsepower...but this is a rare case where i'd say it's possibly very much worth the effort they've put into it.
Which is why I believe this is more towards exclusives that tax the system as they should. This doesn't mean the games are going to be shit. I am just pointing out what I am hearing him say with spinning the system as a standard 10.28 when it isn't.
Can we wait with the fanboy/console war crap until we actually have something?
Microsoft has definitely won this generation.
-Microsoft has the Velocity Engine that decompresses data at 6GB/s and with the new Direct Storage feature which allows the SOC to almost treat the SSD as additional system memory, I think this largely negates the advantage of PS5's SSD.
XBOX SX has it's own custom sound processor so I don't see that the PS5 has any real advantage there.
-There was no talk from Sony about Variable Rate Shading or Machine Learning AI.
-Sony said nothing about targeting latency of controller inputs or of the image display that Microsoft spent a large time discussing.
Also, nothing from Sony about improving the latency or streaming of it's online service.
And I cant believe no one is talking about the difference in bandwidth.
-Xbox SX has a larger bus and TWICE the bandwidth!
PS5's bandwidth is 448 GB/s on a 256 bit bus and XBOX SX has 896 GB/s of bandwidth on a 320 bit bus.
They both have the same amount of ram but the much higher bandwidth along with the larger bus, indicates the GDDR6 in the XBOX SX is probably running at 16 Gbps while the PS5 is running at 12 Gbps.
Xbox SX will destroy the PS5 in ray tracing.
Microsoft has definitely won this generation.
-Microsoft has the Velocity Engine that decompresses data at 6GB/s and with the new Direct Storage feature which allows the SOC to almost treat the SSD as additional system memory, I think this largely negates the advantage of PS5's SSD.
XBOX SX has it's own custom sound processor so I don't see that the PS5 has any real advantage there.
-There was no talk from Sony about Variable Rate Shading or Machine Learning AI.
-Sony said nothing about targeting latency of controller inputs or of the image display that Microsoft spent a large time discussing.
Also, nothing from Sony about improving the latency or streaming of it's online service.
And I cant believe no one is talking about the difference in bandwidth.
-Xbox SX has a larger bus and TWICE the bandwidth!
PS5's bandwidth is 448 GB/s on a 256 bit bus and XBOX SX has 896 GB/s of bandwidth on a 320 bit bus.
They both have the same amount of ram but the much higher bandwidth along with the larger bus, indicates the GDDR6 in the XBOX SX is probably running at 16 Gbps while the PS5 is running at 12 Gbps.
Xbox SX will destroy the PS5 in ray tracing.
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Interesting conclusion...
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PS5's bandwidth is 448 GB/s on a 256 bit bus and XBOX SX has 896 GB/s of bandwidth on a 320 bit bus.
Did you not see the specs off the PS5 ssd solution?? That part at least, is a gen ahead of the Xbox. Or were you being sarcastic?He is not grasping the velocity engine and the additional 100 gig instantly accessible storage like a cartridge of old ... this will be the game changer..
Speeds aside, those look great on paper, I do agree there , but it will stay on paper.
cool science fiction talk and stuff homie, but where the games at?Microsoft has definitely won this generation.
-Microsoft has the Velocity Engine that decompresses data at 6GB/s and with the new Direct Storage feature which allows the SOC to almost treat the SSD as additional system memory, I think this largely negates the advantage of PS5's SSD.
XBOX SX has it's own custom sound processor so I don't see that the PS5 has any real advantage there.
-There was no talk from Sony about Variable Rate Shading or Machine Learning AI.
-Sony said nothing about targeting latency of controller inputs or of the image display that Microsoft spent a large time discussing.
Also, nothing from Sony about improving the latency or streaming of it's online service.
And I cant believe no one is talking about the difference in bandwidth.
-Xbox SX has a larger bus and TWICE the bandwidth!
PS5's bandwidth is 448 GB/s on a 256 bit bus and XBOX SX has 896 GB/s of bandwidth on a 320 bit bus.
They both have the same amount of ram but the much higher bandwidth along with the larger bus, indicates the GDDR6 in the XBOX SX is probably running at 16 Gbps while the PS5 is running at 12 Gbps.
Xbox SX will destroy the PS5 in ray tracing.
cool science fiction talk and stuff homie, but where the games at?
ok so neither party barely anything or nothing to show, but this gen is already decided because Halo.well, Microsoft showed more Xbox series X games than Sony did show PS5 games, and tech demos. They are also launching with halo infinite in development since 2015. how many PS5 games did you actually see?
And we know that we can play ALL Xbox one games and a lot of 360/OG Xbox games.
We know that we can only play a few PS4 games. Lol
also, MS now has 16 Studios. What do you think they are doing? There will be TONS of games nextgen