Do they? The last time I checked, virtually every major Xbox "exclusive" is also coming to PC.
This is why I go pc/ps4. I wish uncharted and god of war would come out for pc
Do they? The last time I checked, virtually every major Xbox "exclusive" is also coming to PC.
If they just want to render games at higher resolutions (without drawing more objects etc.) then the CPU doesn't need to do any more feeding than it is now.
Of course that's probably not what many developers will want to do.. but, we'll see.
I think we could be looking at slightly upgraded Jaguar cores (Puma..) at higher clock speeds.
It will basically be a xbox one game with better res and framerate. The graphics will stay the same
From what I am hearing even if Sony opts for option B the Scorpio will still be the lead console in terms of raw power.
Sony's spec advantage will go away in 18 months from today.
And return in 12 months past that.
And disappear 12 months after that.
And return in 12 months past that.
Then disappear again.
Then return again.
From what I am hearing even if Sony opts for option B the Scorpio will still be the lead console in terms of raw power.
Fuck 4K. Let me play at 1080p with super graphics.
Isnt the second tier a CPU upgrade? That still won't go head to head with the Scorpio.Rumor is SONY has two tiers of Neo ready to go so they may just use their stronger version and launch 2017 to go head to head with Scorpio
Option B is more than $499?
I think they should pair back everything for a $299 option to compete with slim. They need either a $299 option with UHD bluray or a high end version to compete with Scorpio. Neo is in a wierd middle.
From what I am hearing even if Sony opts for option B the Scorpio will still be the lead console in terms of raw power.
From what I am hearing even if Sony opts for option B the Scorpio will still be the lead console in terms of raw power.
YesOption B is more than $499?.
Not just a CPU upgrade.Isnt the second tier a CPU upgrade? That still won't go head to head with the Scorpio.
From what I am hearing this is accurate.Yikes. So the neo will under no circumstances be as powerful as the Scorpio?
Scorpio not a clue, Neo Yes.Know anything about launch date? 4Q 2016 or 1Q 2017?
The system won't even be powerful enough to do games in Native 4K at all. No need to worry.
Yikes. So the neo will under so circumstances be as powerful as the Scorpio?
You should know better than to take a comment like that seriouslyUncompressed pixels. The most beautiful pixels you've ever seen.
Digital Foundry say:
Is this really the case? Is the prospect of the Neo not coming back more powerful than the X1 really low?
I dunno; will Sony allow MS to deliver a more comprehensive 4K Capable machine? I know they have less pressure on them considering the remarkable success of the PS4 but in this industry you just cant rest on your falafel.
Not to dismiss what they're saying - but they would say that. They don't want to commit yet to a new console every 2-3 years as it would further devalue scorpio. They need to stick to the message about upgrading when the time is right and not going any further just yet.
vpance said:There is no way they continue to manufacture PS4 at 28nm for the rest of the gen and pass on the cost savings of a shrink. Sony's slim is coming, just a matter of when they announce it.
The system won't even be powerful enough to do games in Native 4K at all. No need to worry.
That sounds about right, They have to scrap plans with the NEO and push it to launch at the same time which seems wasteful. They probably would be better off just carrying on with the existing momentum.
I think both mid gen upgrades are a mistake for both companies. We'll see how it shifts the fortunes of this generation. I think it won't change anything. Nintendo has been out of step for a bit and their 'upgraded' machines late-mid gen hasn't made a splash (wii u, GC).
Both machines will face the same problem. Publishers will drive targeting of the most numerous console. The features for NEO/Scorpio will be token upgrades until they get substantial numbers and the next generation change may come before that. Consumer confusion about models may also hurt. While it seem ludicrous that people would get confused, not everyone is as invested and interested. A lot of consumers are on board with the consoles because it's less complex. Throwing in 2 tiers of consoles on top of things may diminish the concept of consoles advantage. If there is also not much difference or too much difference both can hurt certain consumers.
You should know better than to take a comment like that seriously
Excuse me for my ignorance, I have a 1080p tv and don't plan to get a 4k for several years. A 4k game running on scorpio would get better framerates if you play it at 1080p?
I wonder if they will sell these at a loss and bank on software/subscription sales.
We can render fully uncompressed quality pixels. The best quality pixels.
I know words, I have the best words.
This part I will disagree with, only for the fact that they have Ultra Settings on the games for the PC versions already, which do make a substantial difference, depending on the game.
Uncompressed pixels. The most beautiful pixels you've ever seen.
Sony's spec advantage will go away in 18 months from today.
And return in 12 months past that.
And disappear 12 months after that.
And return in 12 months past that.
Then disappear again.
Then return again.
This is more speculation than a tech article, it's basically making assumptions like we've been doing about these iterative consoles from the last few weeks. The information MS gave was very vague and yet they announced their console first. Where are the details on the CPU? Why couldn't they just say they would give 12GB's of RAM?It's a tech article about something at E3.
I don't get your post.
So a 40% better GPU is now better by a wide margin, but it was pretty negligible between the PS4 and XB1 for DF.DF said:First up, let's discuss the GPU - the area of the spec that Microsoft is clearly most proud of. The rumoured six TFLOPs of processing power is confirmed, out-stripping the 4.2TF found in PlayStation Neo by quite some margin. It's around 40 per cent faster, calling to mind the advantage PS4 had over Xbox One.
DF said:But it has to be said that we have seen developers start to extract more from Xbox One and PS4 than we see on equivalent PC parts - something borne out from the E3 demos of Gears of War 4 and Forza Horizon 3, which are - remarkably - running on hardware equivalent to AMD's £80 R7 360 graphics card. So maybe - maybe we will indeed see 4K native titles.
Well I hope you don't think the UHD player comes in the S for free. If Sony is going with a better CPU, I think they might increase the memory too, I'm sure an extra 4-8GB's might be cheaper for them than 3 years ago, they can dedicate as much to the OS and have 8-12 GB's strictly for gaming if they go the 16GB route. More efficient and better cooling might also be on the cards, especially if they want to beef up the clock speeds to better match the desktop parts. Better Wifi hardware, more durable controllers, better hardware for streaming/media etc...to meet 4k standards.$100 more for a CPU upgrade, that sounds crazy. Had to be more than just CPU getting bumped with that.
From what I am hearing even if Sony opts for option B the Scorpio will still be the lead console in terms of raw power.
If Sony has to go >500 then just keep current plans
Let Microsoft go that rout
If the GPU stays the same in NEO, and in that case we're only talking about the GPU............However, if MS stays with jaguar and Sony beefs up their CPU, then Sony will have a better CPU and MS a better GPU, just like the PS3 vs 360. Just like the 360 was not considered the most powerful console, I would not call the scenario you mentioned as MS having the better console overall.From what I am hearing even if Sony opts for option B the Scorpio will still be the lead console in terms of raw power.
From what I am hearing even if Sony opts for option B the Scorpio will still be the lead console in terms of raw power.
No, because the system will be outputting the resolution signal from the hardware before it hit's the TV.
Your TV will just down-sample the signal if it is native 4K. Will have no effect on performance, unless they allow for resolution selection in game for 1080p or 2160p.
If the GPU stays the same in NEO, and in that case we're only talking about the GPU............However, if MS stays with jaguar and Sony beefs up their CPU, then Sony will have a better CPU and MS a better GPU, just like the PS3 vs 360. Just like the 360 was not considered the most powerful console, I would not call the scenario you mentioned as MS having the better console overall.
How about if Sony beefs up their CPU and up the clock to 5.5tf on the GPU, I think that is also achievable and narrows down the GPU divide much more, and in that case it's clear that the NEO would be better overall. Of course at that point, if the consoles were so close it would be all about what developers were on each platform, to appropriately differentiate them,
How about if Sony beefs up their CPU and up the clock to 5.5tf on the GPU, I think that is also achievable and narrows down the GPU divide much more, and in that case it's clear that the NEO would be better overall. Of course at that point, if the consoles were so close it would be all about what developers were on each platform, to appropriately differentiate them,
Neo would still punch in under the Scorpio but not by much.
Can you give a percentage or a number?
If the GPU stays the same in NEO, and in that case we're only talking about the GPU............However, if MS stays with jaguar and Sony beefs up their CPU, then Sony will have a better CPU and MS a better GPU, just like the PS3 vs 360. Just like the 360 was not considered the most powerful console, I would not call the scenario you mentioned as MS having the better console overall.
How about if Sony beefs up their CPU and up the clock to 5.5tf on the GPU, I think that is also achievable and narrows down the GPU divide much more, and in that case it's clear that the NEO would be better overall. Of course at that point, if the consoles were so close it would be all about what developers were on each platform, to appropriately differentiate them,
I still don't think Sony will/have. The cost is what to have AMD redesign the PS4 SoC $100-$200 million? How much for the Neo SoC, another $200 million+?
Yes
Not just a CPU upgrade.
From what I am hearing this is accurate.
Scorpio not a clue, Neo Yes.
At the price point they currently have for it.... not very.how realistic is his scenario tho
Neo would still punch in under the Scorpio but not by much.
Edited to add:
For the sake of keeping confusion down 5.5 was the exact number I have heard floated about option b but the price is pretty steep. I do have a number but cannot share it yet I'm waiting on someone else to post the actual data (Should be soon) before I do another long post.
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RX 480 at 1266Mhz (the rumored clock) is a 5.84TFs GPU.
nVidia 6.5 TFs is more like over AMD 8 TFs.
Neo would still punch in under the Scorpio but not by much.
Edited to add:
For the sake of keeping confusion down 5.5 was the exact number I have heard floated about option b but the price is pretty steep. I do have a number but cannot share it yet I'm waiting on someone else to post the actual data (Should be soon) before I do another long post.
Digital Foundry saying the Scorpio is likely to use a version of the Jaguar CPU sounds crazy, surely a Zen CPU is more likely.
The Scorpio is going to be a flagship for the Xbox brand, I think its going to be more expensive than people expect.