lowhighkang_LHK
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Have these screens been posted before? They are dated a couple weeks back but I don't remember seeing them. Figured might as well post them here and have them in the OP instead.
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DmC Director Tameem Antoniades Responds on Dante and Other Things
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AlphaDragoon
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Game's still gonna suck in all likelihood (just like every other NT game ever made), but credit where it's due for Tameem not acting like a douche and rationally explaining his thoughts on stuff.
Monocle
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That interview has me concerned that Tameem is perfectly happy to be blind and deaf to what makes a great action title.
The main and maybe only reason Bayonetta hasn't faded from memory is that it plays better than any game of its kind since DMC3. No serious player wrings her hands about the deranged art style and muddled story, because Bayonetta's combat is so fucking smooth, so intuitive and responsive and satisfying, that all the rest is detail. You want to keep playing because the activity you do for the bulk of the game, namely beating up on everything in sight, is intrinsically rewarding.
You see, PlatinumGames has its priorities in order: Gameplay first, then gameplay, and finally gameplay. When someone from a lesser studio, who is overseeing the creation of an action game, says that his team is "not looking at Bayonetta," what he means is that gameplay is not the core focus of the project. Something else has been chosen as the unifying element around which everything else is arranged, and knowing Ninja Theory, that something is cinematic presentation. Tameem gives it away when he says "we're aiming to make this like a movie."
The main and maybe only reason Bayonetta hasn't faded from memory is that it plays better than any game of its kind since DMC3. No serious player wrings her hands about the deranged art style and muddled story, because Bayonetta's combat is so fucking smooth, so intuitive and responsive and satisfying, that all the rest is detail. You want to keep playing because the activity you do for the bulk of the game, namely beating up on everything in sight, is intrinsically rewarding.
You see, PlatinumGames has its priorities in order: Gameplay first, then gameplay, and finally gameplay. When someone from a lesser studio, who is overseeing the creation of an action game, says that his team is "not looking at Bayonetta," what he means is that gameplay is not the core focus of the project. Something else has been chosen as the unifying element around which everything else is arranged, and knowing Ninja Theory, that something is cinematic presentation. Tameem gives it away when he says "we're aiming to make this like a movie."
Lactose_Intolerant
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Not really feeling the basic enemies there and the ground textures.
Everything else looks decent to good.
Everything else looks decent to good.
I don't get it either. Well, actually I do but I don't want to say it since it will hurt some NT fanboy's feelings.
Still waiting for a Demo since I'm not going to spend any money towards this game until I'm converted by a solid battle mechanic and I mean at least at the same level as DMC 4's Dante. I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea of them achieving that with 30fps.
KiteGr
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Personaly I have faith in DMC...
The series needed a reboot, especially since DevMaCry2 f*cked the storyline so badly, that forced all the future games to be prequels. Also the DevMaCry game were becoming way over the top, and it was hard to take them seriously after a point!
The reason for this reboot IMO is to lower the bar tone down the cheesyness, and restart the story in a way that it can actually be contineued. Thus they give Dante a form, that looks a bit to yung and bratty, but at the same time it's fully oppened to evolve into the classic dante we know in the future!
The series needed a reboot, especially since DevMaCry2 f*cked the storyline so badly, that forced all the future games to be prequels. Also the DevMaCry game were becoming way over the top, and it was hard to take them seriously after a point!
The reason for this reboot IMO is to lower the bar tone down the cheesyness, and restart the story in a way that it can actually be contineued. Thus they give Dante a form, that looks a bit to yung and bratty, but at the same time it's fully oppened to evolve into the classic dante we know in the future!
Oh, they're lowering the bar alright.
UE3. Or they need to completely revamp the engine, like what the Mortal Kombat devs did to get their game to run at 60fps.
Screenshots look great, as expected from NT. Excellent art direction. About them not looking at Bayo... it's totally possible to craft a new combat system that offers depth and accessibility and it's different from the DMC/Bayonetta style. If they can do it, great. But if that's their target, why all gameplay segments shown so far look exactly like old DMC games?
corrosivefrost
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HS was being developed for 5 years, give or take a little.
So half the time would be 2.5 years.
Isn't that about the standard time for a development cycle on a game these days? :lol
It is. They had ample time with Enslaved and frame rate and bugs were just as bad as HS. And all this talk that Capcom is helping out holds no weight. NT were under Sony with HS and Namco with Enslaved. Both devs are known for quality titles and tech yet that didn't help the titles from underperforming. Difference is they were new IP's so forgiven by critics and gamers but this time with DmC NT will finally be exposed as the sucky devs they are.
RedNumberFive
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I must be one of the few people here that likes the new character design and thinks the game looks pretty solid. I enjoyed Heavenly Sword and Enslaved, so I'm optimistic about this reboot.
Don't worry you are not alone, NT's fanbase is over the moon regarding this game. Im glad Capcom can cater to the NT fanbase.
This is one of those cases where the avatar matches what is said perfectly
Nina Theory has a fanbase?! Jesus Christ.
"Usually the worst creative crimes are made when you're trying to make a game for someone else - some perceived demographic that, in all likelihood, doesn't actually exist. From my point of view there's only on way to try and make a successful game, and that's to make the game you want to play."
This!! A million times over. And this goes for music, movies, etc.
Stop trying to create something because the suits told you to sell to "X". If he is being completely honest, then i'm for giving it my full attention.
This!! A million times over. And this goes for music, movies, etc.
Stop trying to create something because the suits told you to sell to "X". If he is being completely honest, then i'm for giving it my full attention.
I know, it does seem silly. Unfortunately, their engine of choice (UE3) simply isn't suited for 60 fps on consoles without significant compromise and I'm not convinced they have the talent to create their own engine that holds 60 fps (Heaven Sword was choppy as hell).
I really enjoyed Enslaved and am totally willing to give this a shot (as I'm not even a huge DMC fan to begin with), but their tech skills aren't exactly impressive.
Well, the 360 version of Enslaved was actually much better than Heavenly Sword, but they REALLY dropped the ball on PS3.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Edit: old interview NVM.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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I've actually met and worked with a few people like him.
But I work in film ( least I would If could a find a fucking film job). So that tells you all you need to know.
Yeah I had read this PSM3 interview quite a while back. It does have that cool "demon" Tameem pic in it.
There isn't any new information regarding the game in the interview, they do mention that they got people who know their DMC stuff and said that the games has solid responsive controls. About the only worthwhile thing I got from this.
There is however a new enemy in one of those screens. An upgraded form of the regular enemies with a chain saw on one of his arms.
Quite a few bans in this thread, why did LHK got banned?
There isn't any new information regarding the game in the interview, they do mention that they got people who know their DMC stuff and said that the games has solid responsive controls. About the only worthwhile thing I got from this.
There is however a new enemy in one of those screens. An upgraded form of the regular enemies with a chain saw on one of his arms.
Quite a few bans in this thread, why did LHK got banned?
Have these screens been posted before? They are dated a couple weeks back but I don't remember seeing them. Figured might as well post them here and have them in the OP instead.
Can someone rehost them, please. I see red crosses...
Criminal Upper
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No matter how good the game looks visually, or how well the mo-cap facial animation is, it still runs at 30fps, and it made by a developer that doesn't understand the first thing about good combat mechanics.
Because the entire DMC team in Japan is busy with Dragon's Dogma. That's literally the only reason.
Because the entire DMC team in Japan is busy with Dragon's Dogma. That's literally the only reason.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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I still have hopes, that it's renamed DMC II-2.
UnluckyKate
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Someone discover that sharpen slide on Photoshop
Hot Coldman
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Character design is iffy as we all know, but honestly, those environments look great. At this point, this game has the potential to be a serious surprise. Or it could completely meet the miserable expectations, who knows.
Well one thing's for sure. Post-Captivate, the previewers are going to gush over this game:
- Ninja Theory is a critical darling for whatever reason
- Game journalists always belittle the fanbase to side with big name publishers, apparent in recent events like in ME3
- Exclusive stories = exclusive hype
I want to see some real, dedicated gameplay to base my own analysis on.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
NT is great at PR lip service, it's the reason why they are still continuing to make games. They spew out key phrases that most game journalists eat up.
And their games usually reflect their PR strategy. It's all in the presentation... a couple of nice looking cutscenes, decent art direction and stunning environments is enough to win over anyone who puts in less than a minute to analyze what is actually going on. They have humbled up greatly through their time working with DmC but they still need to employ a more "show don't tell" type philosophy. They have talked about the game over and over, the design choices, the ideology behind the product but they have showed very litle.
I expect glowing previews but the only thing I care about is the entire walkthrough/demonstration of the build on display in unadulterated form.
And their games usually reflect their PR strategy. It's all in the presentation... a couple of nice looking cutscenes, decent art direction and stunning environments is enough to win over anyone who puts in less than a minute to analyze what is actually going on. They have humbled up greatly through their time working with DmC but they still need to employ a more "show don't tell" type philosophy. They have talked about the game over and over, the design choices, the ideology behind the product but they have showed very litle.
I expect glowing previews but the only thing I care about is the entire walkthrough/demonstration of the build on display in unadulterated form.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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Yeah, I've read some interviews where the journalist said DmC is as fluid as the previous entries. Yeah sure. They don't know what they're talking about. They really only see the art direction, which arguably isn't bad. But gameplay wise they don't have a clue. Capcom/NT would show some balls, if they'd give some pro dmc players the chance to play the game. I'd trust someone like Dahbomb or gunbo more than some PR guy.
IC_Champion
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Hot Coldman
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Well, the first I actually understand. Enslaved tried stuff with its writing and its environments that games don't do much, and we all should know critics gladly overlook technical issues if the artistry resonates well enough with them. I don't think they're a critical darling; I just think Enslaved got NT enough goodwill from certain people for them to take a less incensed approach to DmC.
The second point is valid, I guess. I wouldn't know, the only previews I ever bother reading are by honest, reputable writers, or podcast impressions. Third point doesn't apply to Captivate, seeing as everyone will be getting their previews: no exclusives here.
Chances are they'll put out a demo at some point to finally make sure DMC fans know what they're in for. There's an audience for this, I think, but it's not DMC fans.
They did.
You'll get your chance on Tuesday when Gamespot does a live playthrough. But I'm still expecting you to dismiss anything remotely positive, like everything else the've put out.
IC_Champion
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And where are the vids/images? Are we going to see them after Captivate even though these so called invitations were done months ago?
Q: why do DMC fans want Capcom to create a sequel internally, when they do not have the ability to create anything as good as Bayonetta? Also, I don't understand the backlash in regards to the character redesign, which is actually thoughtful and aesthetically appealing, versus the previous games' protagonists which were boilerplate quasi-feminine Japanese antihero.
Yes, we'll what the results are from those playtests after the embargo date for Captivate is done.
They did. It's in the PSM3 interview. These DMC vets said that the game had responsive controls which was all Tameem had to say on that matter. The players aren't allowed to talk about the game of course, strict agreement contracts and what not.
Like I said before, this is at least a step in the right direction. I know people are still mind fucked over the Heavenly Sword input lag thing but I don't think DmC is going to suffer from the same thing.
At this point the game has to blow people away to garner any sort of hype or attention.
DMC4's combat engine is at least on par with Bayonetta. DMC3 while being on an inferior console still falls on the same level as DMC4 and Bayonetta in the combat mechanics. These are internally developed Capcom games. Compare these games with Enslaved and Heavenly Sword so that you can grasp why some DMC fans might be opposed to the idea.
Design is subjective, some people are going to prefer DmC Dante others will prefer OG Dante.
ViewtifulJC
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