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does sony even care about third parties anymore?
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Final Fantasy XIII, Versus XIII, Metal Gear Solid 4, Haze timed exclusive, Unreal Tournament 3 timed console exclusive along will all the reports that say Sony are working closely with 3rd parties, which includes a recent announcement on a R* exclusive game.
Sony are improving their 1st party lineup, but that doesn't mean they are neglecting 3rd parties because the evidence suggests otherwise.
Sony are improving their 1st party lineup, but that doesn't mean they are neglecting 3rd parties because the evidence suggests otherwise.
PistolGrip
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I think what people often forget is that companies have to make SMART DECISIONS. If I were SONY why would I pay for EA marketing of a low budget port? I can guarantee you Sony is planning for forking over a lot of money on Unreal Tournament this fall.
Being completely balanced is the key to failure, you have to play and abuse your strengths. That's what SONY is doing and that's why MS is doing. Both are heavily investing in this industry's third parties and first parties, it is completely moronic to think otherwise. Who do you think MS got the idea of marketing Third party games? Sony pioneered this with Square. This is about smart investments.
MS would need 10 years of being the market leader just to break even on the gaming industry so I wouldn't Judge SONY's investment decisions cause they definitely have people there that know what they are doing.
Being completely balanced is the key to failure, you have to play and abuse your strengths. That's what SONY is doing and that's why MS is doing. Both are heavily investing in this industry's third parties and first parties, it is completely moronic to think otherwise. Who do you think MS got the idea of marketing Third party games? Sony pioneered this with Square. This is about smart investments.
MS would need 10 years of being the market leader just to break even on the gaming industry so I wouldn't Judge SONY's investment decisions cause they definitely have people there that know what they are doing.
RubberJohnny
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It's not a 360/PS3 world, the Wii will steal their userbase by then.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
The PS2 version will probably still outsell Madden 08 360, so I doubt Sony has anything to worry about, to be honest.
Red Blaster
Member
felipeko said:
This didn't happen until 2+ years after the PSOne launched. In the beginning Sony was very aggressive in courting developers and was also good with developer support. They also did quite a bit of marketing for 3rd party games such as the 100 million marketing budget they allocated for FFVII, something I doubt the modern Sony would do.
Oblivion said:
The manufacturer can certainly play a big role in determining 3rd party support in ways other than sales. Microsoft has moneyhatted quite a few games this generation already and it's given them an edge.
Sony is reluctantly starting to do it with titles like Haze and UT3 but they really need to ramp up this practice, especially after losing exclusivity on titles like DMC4. They also need to stop letting 3rd parties making supbar ports by bettering their developer support.
MickeyKnox
Member
Yeah, you know, at the rate things are going, Sony is going to break even (their 10 years of market leader profit) soon..:lolPistolGrip said:
Well, they had no experience and needed games... but it only worked out because developers were running from Nintendo.Red Blaster said:
Hydro_Alexis
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The real question is will third parties keep caring about sony
somesayyea
Member
yes and no: you see...they'll eventually care about them, but not in '07 and not while they continue releasing sub-par multiplatform games on the ps3.
solid2snake
Banned
if they care about 3rd parties, they would kiss the arse of SquarEnix. no love for SE means every week a new DS announcement.
Masta_Killah
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methane47 said:
:lol You obviously don't know the power of Madden.
dead souls
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Link316 said:
As we go into to 2008 PS2 releases will already dry up even more than they have already.
Personally I think the last three PS2 titles I'll pick up are Persona 3, Wild Arms 5 and Growlanser.
AdmiralViscen
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This isn't locked?
TheJollyCorner
Member
solid2snake said:
no amount of 'care' Sony could have for S-E, nor enough ass-kissing to make their lips fall off, could stop the DS games from coming. As we all know from the witty little .gif, the DS prints money... not to mention they can make games for a tiny fraction of what it costs to make one console game, push out ports, and put smaller teams on smaller projects so they can have cash-flow coming in at basically every point of each fiscal quarter.
They can still assign their 'money' teams to the big budget games- so they really have every angle covered as a 3rd party. Sony knows this.
I think it's evident that Sony and S-E still have a strong relationship, considering FFXIII is still (and will remain) PS3 exclusive. I'm sure Sony also realizes that FFXIII is PS3's shining beacon. As other games, particularly their strong 1st party games, slowly sell their expensive systems, it'll be a game like XIII that absolutely inspires people to finally buy the PS3, particularly in Japan- or, at least, that's what the hope is I'm sure.
Bringing PS3 down to $399 in time for FFXIII would also be a big help.
Agent Icebeezy
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Gadfly said:
I would say that is moreso because of their national orientation than anything else and they suck so much money into their projects thinking the PS3 was going to be a runaway success. They have no choice but to soldier on.
PepsimanVsJoe
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I see mabuza is only interested in stirring shit up these days.
Actually is it "stirring up shit"? I don't know.
Actually is it "stirring up shit"? I don't know.
Shpeshal Nick
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Kabouter said:
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Walter Matthau
Member
Sony hates third parties now. Konami has to pay them $599,999 US Dollars just to allow MGS4 on the console.
Jive Turkey
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At this point I don't think that's too far from the truth.Kabouter said:
Green Shinobi
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Their first party lineup isn't any better than that of the competition. Third parties are always important. The N64 and Gamecube easily had the best first party lineups and look where those systems went.Oblivion said:
AdmiralViscen
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Green Shinobi said:
Fuck no. Sony came into their own on PS2, and Nintendo was boneheaded.
Green Shinobi
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You really think Sony surpassed Nintendo as a developer last gen? Really? Like, for serious?AdmiralViscen said:
Green Shinobi
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Really? The 3rd best action series last gen is your example? You could have said Team ICO, you could have said Polyphony, you could have said Insomniac or Naughty Dog, but you pick Jaffe's team? Better than EAD? Better than Retro? Better than Intelligent Systems? Not saying you're not entitled to your opinion, but. . . damn.Firewire said:
Ploid 3.0
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Green Shinobi said:
When I think of Nintendo's first party I think New Mario, Zelda, Mario spin off games (kart, golf, party), Metroid, Paper Mario, starfox, Fzero, and more. I, like many others, grew up on nintendo consoles and could only stick to one. I begged my cousin to trade so I could play sonic2 more though, but I really liked the mario # games. There are more but I'm using this as an example.
Sony is games like Dark Cloud, sport games, Jak, Ico, SoTC, GT, GoW, Twisted Metal, Wipeout, Socom, etc. Their games are all over the board as far as game types go. People that still love nintendo brand games will stick with it. People that like sony's flavor will stick with it. Sony's 1st/2nd party is darn good if you ask people.
MightyHedgehog
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I'm betting that if the sales of third party titles on the PS3 continue like they are that this will be the question of '08 for Sony.felipeko said:
B-Rad Lascelle
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Okay, I'm a little confused.
You guys say that PS2 versions will outsell PS3/X360 combined but where's the anecdotal evidence to back this up? Did this happen last year? And this logic does fly in the face of how multiplatform titles have sold comparatively between X360 and PS2 this past year. I'm thinking best case scenario is that Madden/PS2 versions sell on par with one another.
Secondly, so what if you rest on the laurels and the PS2 version will sell a bunch of units anyhow. The PS2 version isn't driving Sony hardware sales whereas the X360 version could very well do that for Microsoft and eat away further potential market share as people make the next-gen leap to play what has turned out to be the best version of Madden in Hi-Def.
Isn't that a bad thing for Sony?
For me, it's not the fact that Sony isn't pushing Madden heavily that's a bad thing. It's the fact that they let a version come out after close to a year of having PS3 on the market that is clearly inferior to their lower-priced competition. Madden has been a system-driving title for Sony in the past and the mere fact that they've let it be employed as a weapon for their opposition (just like the GTA franchise) is reprehensible and defeatist.
You guys say that PS2 versions will outsell PS3/X360 combined but where's the anecdotal evidence to back this up? Did this happen last year? And this logic does fly in the face of how multiplatform titles have sold comparatively between X360 and PS2 this past year. I'm thinking best case scenario is that Madden/PS2 versions sell on par with one another.
Secondly, so what if you rest on the laurels and the PS2 version will sell a bunch of units anyhow. The PS2 version isn't driving Sony hardware sales whereas the X360 version could very well do that for Microsoft and eat away further potential market share as people make the next-gen leap to play what has turned out to be the best version of Madden in Hi-Def.
Isn't that a bad thing for Sony?
For me, it's not the fact that Sony isn't pushing Madden heavily that's a bad thing. It's the fact that they let a version come out after close to a year of having PS3 on the market that is clearly inferior to their lower-priced competition. Madden has been a system-driving title for Sony in the past and the mere fact that they've let it be employed as a weapon for their opposition (just like the GTA franchise) is reprehensible and defeatist.
Green Shinobi said:
yes yes i do.
MS was nowhere near 64
Wind Waker and Twilight were nowhere near OoT
both starfox's pale to 64
Luigis mansion? wtf?
MP amazing, MP2? Bad taste in my mouth that hasnt left. I hope 3 really is great.
all the jaks were awesome
GT3 and 4 delivered graphically
GoW carnage amazing
ICO and SotC, stunning
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