foxuzamaki
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I mean that block is probably the weight of infinity if we're talking God levels.
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I mean that block is probably the weight of infinity if we're talking God levels.
LordOfChaos
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And Vegetas was twice as heavy and he was going the same pace as Goku...
#TeamVegeta
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
#TeamVegeta
VanquishUK
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Do we know if Planet Vegeta got destroyed by Frieza in Universe 6?
That hasn't been said yet, that would be a crazy twist.
Icyflamez96
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I bet you the Saiyans probably killed Frieza of that universe or something. The planet has to exist, because evil Goku is probably going to happen.
TheAwesomePossum
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Nope. We do not even know the nature of the characters in universe 6 other than there being not a lot of humans on earth because of stupid decisions made. Universe 6's Freeza could be a benevolent democratic leader of a galaxy for all we know.
No. It was twice as heavy as what Vegeta was training with, until that point.
Goku and Vegeta lift the same weight in that episode.
Icyflamez96
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Oh I didn't realize that.
Host Samurai
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Universe 6s Frieza could be Cooler and Universe 6 Goku can be Turles or even Brolly.
ReplacementPelican
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Could universe six, in theory, be Trunks' future? That would make sense with the 'not many humans' comment and also explain why his future never changed, he travelled between universes.
Also Trunks is such a fan favourite and Champa training him to Super Saiyan Blue would be worth it's weight in merchandising.
Also Trunks is such a fan favourite and Champa training him to Super Saiyan Blue would be worth it's weight in merchandising.
LordOfChaos
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Just double checked. From my translation -
"Vegeta-san, I made yours twice as heavy as before".
He was training in base form for months with someone stronger than the god of destruction - it would make little sense that he only just matched Goku in base form (not using SS or god powers).
Different timelines and universes are their own thing.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Would loooooove for this to be true but as stated above... it can't be.
ReplacementPelican
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Is this a guess or are we 100% sure about this?
LordOfChaos
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I thought the whole idea was that going back in time creates a split with two universes, since each different universe is a variation on choices made.
Though, the chances of it being 6 would be literally one in infinity, given the multiverse theory.
That's what I mean though. There are twelve set universes with each apparently having a twin to one of the other twelve. They're not universes that came into existence due to time travel.
LordOfChaos
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Ah, I didn't know this bit. So it's like the size of the universe seeming to be a few galaxies at most, that kind of variation on real world things. Multiverse theory being whittled down to 12 pairs.
Shouta
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He doesn't specifically say yours, to nitpick a little. Whis just says that he's made it twice as heavy than the ones up until now.
Good episode. The conversation with Whis and the Premonition Fish was pretty good as an explanation and kept in line with how folks understood Super Saiyan up until this point. Vegeta reacting to Goku getting smacked was pretty impressive.
ReplacementPelican
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I wasn't suggesting that they were created by time travel, just to properly explain, just that Trunks inadvertently travelled to another universe instead of just back in time.
I guess that could be possible, but I doubt they're going that route. Didn't Cell also come from a different timeline than both Trunks and the original group? The machine seems to do what it says as far as time travel's concerned.
ReplacementPelican
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Yeah it's pretty messed up, I think. The problem is that there must be some major difference to keep Trunks' future unaltered and also to still have only twelve universes in this multiverse because surely that would imply that there must be multiple multiverses in different timelines.
NeonZ
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I don't think that "yours" is there in the original Japanese. Anyway, there's no "god powers" as a separate thing from Goku's own power at this point. In spite of going back to standard ki during the battle, in SSJ, it was said that he was just as strong as before (in SSJ God). Towards the end of the battle, he cancels Beerus' big blast by punching it in Base, so his base also got a pretty big boost. It's actually surprising that Vegeta got that strong so quickly.
ArchedThunder
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Freeza probably doesn't even exist in Universe 6. His race probably does, but there's no reason to think he does.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Wouldn't he have a counterpart though? Wouldn't everyone?
Plot twist: Turles is canon and actually is Goku from Universe 6
ArchedThunder
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Why would he? Why would anyone have a counterpart? Champa and Beerus are siblings, as are Whis and Vados, so they give zero idea of what Universe 6 is like. The universes are different enough that humans are extinct because of a war, so why should we assume anyone in Universe 6 is the same or a counterpart?
The only thing we have to go off of is Toriyama saying he's designing lots of new characters for Universe 6.
NeonZ
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Well, they reference the universes as "twins", just like Champa's and Beerus' relation was initially introduced. I don't see what would be the point of the twin universe set up if there weren't going to be counterparts. The story seemingly would work just as well if Universe 6 were completely different and an Earth just didn't exist there at all.
ArchedThunder
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This way they can share races.
The two universes have different food even. I just don't see any reason to think we'll get anything more than a few characters in existing races.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
This was my thought as well.
Although this would a far better and less cliche way of telling a multiverse story, so I hope you're right.
LordOfChaos
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Darn translation. Which translation team/individual are you guys using that is more accurate? With DBS a single word added or omitted can make such a difference, hah!
Hidden One
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But why? They're freakin weak lol.
ArchedThunder
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They aren't alive, that was fake.
Kyleripman
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Pretty cool episode. Fun to see Goku and Vegeta training together.
The wording in the movie made me believe SS Blue is weaker than SSG. Cause he only had a part of the Ki. And didn't use everyone's energy.
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Anyhoo, Vegeta is getting kind of annoying.
I get that it's his character growth to be more accepting of stuff, but it doesn't mean I have to enjoy it. He feels like character just....talks a lot at this point. And doesn't really do anything. He complains about embarassing situations or his "pride" but at the end of the day, he submits, and submits. This is the same guy who always fought alone didn't want to fuse (second time around, crushing the ring) to save the world, and now he's doing housework to train in peacetime.
-_-
Back in the day, he would actually go through with things and not just talk.
- Like, letting Cell become Perfect.
- Or, actually fighting Goku in Buu Saga
- Again, earring thing
- (Not even going to bring up Frieza saga since he was more evil then...)
Now, he's basically Goku. I mean, he essentially is. With some fake 'tude.
Action wise, there's not much of a difference between them.
You mean the flashback of Vegeta being destoryed we see 1 million times
?
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Anyhoo, Vegeta is getting kind of annoying.
I get that it's his character growth to be more accepting of stuff, but it doesn't mean I have to enjoy it. He feels like character just....talks a lot at this point. And doesn't really do anything. He complains about embarassing situations or his "pride" but at the end of the day, he submits, and submits. This is the same guy who always fought alone didn't want to fuse (second time around, crushing the ring) to save the world, and now he's doing housework to train in peacetime.
-_-
Back in the day, he would actually go through with things and not just talk.
- Like, letting Cell become Perfect.
- Or, actually fighting Goku in Buu Saga
- Again, earring thing
- (Not even going to bring up Frieza saga since he was more evil then...)
Now, he's basically Goku. I mean, he essentially is. With some fake 'tude.
Action wise, there's not much of a difference between them.
You mean the flashback of Vegeta being destoryed we see 1 million times
?You mean the flashback of Vegeta being destoryed we see 1 million times
Pfft. Just wait until we learn that Vegeta WASN'T destroyed, but transported to another universe.
Icyflamez96
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Why were Goku's eyes so big this episode
Deadstarone
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GuessMyUserName
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I would say this for when we're actually covering new material, but for the Frieza movie? Thank god, please keep this pace up and get this over with.
Enjoying this training in-between though, and the stuff immediately after Beerus movie.
Jason's Ultimatum
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The wording in the movie made me believe SS Blue is weaker than SSG. Cause he only had a part of the Ki. And didn't use everyone's energy.
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Anyhoo, Vegeta is getting kind of annoying.
I get that it's his character growth to be more accepting of stuff, but it doesn't mean I have to enjoy it. He feels like character just....talks a lot at this point. And doesn't really do anything. He complains about embarassing situations or his "pride" but at the end of the day, he submits, and submits. This is the same guy who always fought alone didn't want to fuse (second time around, crushing the ring) to save the world, and now he's doing housework to train in peacetime.
-_-
Back in the day, he would actually go through with things and not just talk.
- Like, letting Cell become Perfect.
- Or, actually fighting Goku in Buu Saga
- Again, earring thing
- (Not even going to bring up Frieza saga since he was more evil then...)
Now, he's basically Goku. I mean, he essentially is. With some fake 'tude.
Action wise, there's not much of a difference between them.
You mean the flashback of Vegeta being destoryed we see 1 million times
Vegeta was awesome in the cell saga. I loved how he's watching in the background near the final moments.
-Watches the z fighters fly and attack cell, while saying it's pointless.
-finally realizes there may be a chance, even saying, "goooood, piccolo".
-"it's not fear that's holding me back."
-finally transforming Into ssj to help gohan.
God, there were so many up and downs with vegeta, which didn't make him 1 dimensional.
I especially liked the part where he blew up the truck driver in his fight with 18 making his kill count higher than the androids.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Vegeta is becoming a boring dad so that his cooler son can take over his role in a timeskip.The wording in the movie made me believe SS Blue is weaker than SSG. Cause he only had a part of the Ki. And didn't use everyone's energy.
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Anyhoo, Vegeta is getting kind of annoying.
I get that it's his character growth to be more accepting of stuff, but it doesn't mean I have to enjoy it. He feels like character just....talks a lot at this point. And doesn't really do anything. He complains about embarassing situations or his "pride" but at the end of the day, he submits, and submits. This is the same guy who always fought alone didn't want to fuse (second time around, crushing the ring) to save the world, and now he's doing housework to train in peacetime.
-_-
Back in the day, he would actually go through with things and not just talk.
- Like, letting Cell become Perfect.
- Or, actually fighting Goku in Buu Saga
- Again, earring thing
- (Not even going to bring up Frieza saga since he was more evil then...)
Now, he's basically Goku. I mean, he essentially is. With some fake 'tude.
Action wise, there's not much of a difference between them.
You mean the flashback of Vegeta being destoryed we see 1 million times
And_Gignac
Member
dunno.
The super dragon ball are at the core of planets/can only be exposed when a planet blows up or something like that?
That was a regular Kikoho in the Saiyan Saga, not a Shin Kikoho.
Not to mention when he used it, Tien was already badly beaten and missing an arm. he didn't have much life force to give.
Heh.
Trunks is kind of lame though. At least future one is. He came in and seemed really cool, but thinking about it, he spent the whole android saga and cell saga being scared and complaining. (And fighting cell stupidly.)
Vegeta isn't even boring per se. It's just that....he's Goku now.
We don't really need two.
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