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[Count Dookkake]

The mods don't either, given the title change of that thread.

And you don't think those groups overlap?

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

I know strippers paying there way to college. One of them was an escort and got paid very well for her services but in this economy and society, you got to do what you got to do. Some people are so judgemental without seeing the other side of the table and taking the time to acknowledge someone's situation before they talk. It's sucks that she had to do this, but at least she is accepting who she is, what she doing and remembering her purpose to why she is doing it. Some girls really lose sight of that when the money starts flowing in.

Let's just hope whatever her job ventures are, a background check will not let her seem "less qualified".

 

[btrboyev]

Well she does look like a porn star for sure. She's cute, so hopefully she doesn't go far with any artificial enhancement.

 

[hodayathink]

Yes, this is the real reason to not do porn. The moral/religious objections are obviously silly, but the professional ramifications are extended and long term. Unless you make it to the very top of the profession and make millions, you'll end up needing a new job when you're 30 and at that point you've considerably limited your options.

The very top of the porn world hasn't made millions since about 2005 (and even that was because some girls got lucky and were able to sell their production company/websites to larger porn companies for a good lump sum). If she were to make to the top of the porn world right now, she's probably max out at around $100,000 to $150,000 per year unless she started escorting on the side. If she stays around and stays professional and catches on, she might be able to make $50,000 to $75,000 a year doing shoots and cam shows, which would be enough to take care of college and maybe live off of for a few years.

Economically, there's no way this is going to turn out to be a good decision for her for even the next 5/10 years, because the income ceiling for someone who just performs on camera is a whole lot lower than what a lot of people think it is.

 

[Madness]

I know strippers paying there way to college. One of them was an escort and got paid very well for her services but in this economy and society, you got to do what you got to do. Some people are so judgemental without seeing the other side of the table and taking the time to acknowledge someone's situation before they talk. It's sucks that she had to do this, but at least she is accepting who she is, what she doing and remembering her purpose to why she is doing it. Some girls really lose sight of that when the money starts flowing in.

Let's just hope whatever her job ventures are, a background check will not let her seem "less qualified".

She's only really accepting it after she was outed. Not to say she always planned for it this way. But almost everyone on campus had found after he friend she confided in, told his frat etc.

As for her job ventures, by coming forward in this way as well, she's pretty much guaranteed she'll be excluded from 90% of the jobs she'll ever apply for. Most ex-pornstars usually have to turn to self-sufficient jobs or their own business after their careers. Just the nature of the world, people are judgemental and past history, whatever it is, matters.

Stripping is a bit different from the pornography industry. You're not really engaging in sexual acts, it's not really ever filmed, and it's very easy to move on to other ventures. Most pornstars, especially with the advancement of Google, porn tube sites, anyone and their entire portfolio is available forever. So even when she's 60, people will still see her perform.

 

[Guileless]

I wonder what old-timey suffragette campaigners would make of this thread.

 

[Opiate]

Isn't that what's depressing, though ? It shouldn't be like that. It's ridiculous.

God damn puritanical society.

It is unfortunate. While I do agree, I also think there are a nearly infinite number of far more pressing issues to worry about before we worry about the world being more accepting of porn stars.

It reminds me of a girl in college who was extremely vocal about co-ed bathrooms; the demand for gender segregation in our bathrooms is mostly just a consequence of people being prudish. I don't disagree, but I can't imagine that cracking even a top 10,000 list of social injustices I want to fix.

 

[AuthenticM]

This is under the assumption that she doesn't change her opinion about what she did years down the line.

I remember when I was a freshmen. I wouldn't trust myself to file my own taxes, nor most of the people I knew back then.

This is decision made by an 18 year old that will have huge ramifications for her emotionally in the years to come. If she has no regrets, good for her. But I'm willing to bet that's pretty unlikely.

It's not about her changing her opinion, it's about society being judgmental. It shouldn't be like that. We should live in a world in which a person can choose to be a chef, a doctor or a pornstar and not having everybody bat an eye at their choice.

It is unfortunate. While I do agree, I also think there are a nearly infinite number of far more pressing issues to worry about before we worry about the world being more accepting of porn stars.

It reminds me of a girl in college who was extremely vocal about co-ed bathrooms; the demand for gender segregation in our bathrooms is mostly just a consequence of people being prudish. I don't disagree, but I can't imagine that cracking even a top 10,000 list of social injustices I want to fix.

I think the root of the problem at hand is also the source of many of those 10 000 social injustices you would want to fix.

 

[Sub_Level]

We should celebrate (or at least ACCEPT) porn stars, not shame them.

This isn't a silly post either, I'm being serious.

 

[Femmeworth]

We should celebrate (or at least ACCEPT) porn stars, not shame them.

This isn't a silly post either, I'm being serious.

Dropping the term "porn star" might help.

 

[JohnDoe]

It is unfortunate. While I do agree, I also think there are a nearly infinite number of far more pressing issues to worry about before we worry about the world being more accepting of porn stars.

No offense but I don't see how this line of thought is viable to the discussion? Of course there are more pressing issues, but the same can be said about many problems we have discussed on this forum.
I'd also counter your argument by saying that the world's attitude towards porn stars, especially the female ones, is actually a part of "more pressing" issues such as some of the unhealthy views we have on women and sexuality.

 

[Incendiary]

I know strippers paying there way to college. One of them was an escort and got paid very well for her services but in this economy and society, you got to do what you got to do. Some people are so judgemental without seeing the other side of the table and taking the time to acknowledge someone's situation before they talk. It's sucks that she had to do this, but at least she is accepting who she is, what she doing and remembering her purpose to why she is doing it. Some girls really lose sight of that when the money starts flowing in.

I've been to strip clubs and a lot of the girls I've talked to are there to pay for college. One dancer I talked to had a master's degree in psychology, was working on her second, and also self-published her own book, and she danced on the side just to make some extra money because she's hot.

There's nothing fundamentally wrong with stripping or porn as a side job to enhance revenue. The problem results from other companies 'looking down' on any activity in the sex trade. Like, if a woman (or man) chooses to use their good looks to make some extra cash, they're suddenly worth less as a person or have "issues."

The fact that this is a 'scandal' to begin with is just dumb. Lots of college girls do porn all the time, they just don't announce it. Her blaming Duke might be iffy, though, I suppose.

 

[AuthenticM]

We should celebrate (or at least ACCEPT) porn stars, not shame them.

This isn't a silly post either, I'm being serious.

Of course. Is a free and perfect society, it would be like that. But the road is still long.

 

[Kopite]

Good on her I suppose. I'll do my part and give her videos some extra views.

 

[DonMigs85]

I think this girl was on FH18 and Casting Couch X. She gets around

 

[Seeds]

You're really not understanding what I said. It's under the radar because it's marginalized and because it's treated as "icky" and sex workers are treated like second class citizens. If we stop doing that, then guess what? A lot of those problems you mention will go away.

It is sex, it's people getting paid for sex, so I'm not sure how you're even drawing this line in the first place. It's like arguing that a restaurant isn't the same as food.

I understand what you're saying, you just don't seem to notice how you contradict yourself again and again.

You're right now arguing that there's no difference between sex and the porn industry, while at the same time arguing that porn industry is different because of how people view it.

You can argue for a hyphotetical future in which the porn industry is seen no different than sex, but you would have to be delusional to deny there's a difference today.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

I understand what you're saying, you just don't seem to notice how you contradict yourself again and again.

You're right now arguing that there's no difference between sex and the porn industry, while at the same time arguing that porn industry is different because of how people view it.

You can argue for a hyphotetical future in which the porn industry is seen no different than sex, but you would have to be delusional to deny there's a difference today.

No, I'm arguing that people see things incorrectly. Just because something is perceived a certain way by some people doesn't mean it's reality.

 

[OrlanisWorks]

That's how every man feels until they have a daughter.

(I don't have a daughter but I'm guessing)

I'd have to cross that bridge to really experience it.

I do remember reading about that one porn actress (Stoya, I think). Her father mentioned that she had ruined porn for him because he'd constantly see her on websites or something. lol. Yeah, I can imagine that would be pretty rough. You may be absolutely right.

 

[Sub_Level]

Dropping the term "porn star" might help.

I guess I can see where you're going with that, but some of them are literally stars. They have award shows, social media accounts with mass followings, and are paid top dollar to appear in films. They're in porn, and they're stars. Porn stars. The lesser known folk can be denominated under the umbrella of "adult entertainer" or something along those lines.

 

[Seeds]

No, I'm arguing that people see things incorrectly. Just because something is perceived a certain way by some people doesn't mean it's reality.

Seeing as the matter in question is a subjective one, the reality is that how people see it does matter, and it will affect her in real life.

 

[ronito]

Dropping the term "porn star" might help.

Genital Entertainment Executives!

 

[Femmeworth]

I guess I can see where you're going with that, but some of them are literally stars. They have award shows, social media accounts with mass followings, and are paid top dollar to appear in films. They're in porn, and they're stars. Porn stars. The lesser known folk can be denominated under the umbrella of "adult entertainer" or something along those lines.

It's more loaded with connotation than the other terms.

 

[Austriacus]

I really have no problem with women selling their bodies for cash, but why the hell is she purposely creating headlines? She might be in duke but she sounds either really stupid or very impulsive. This is gona haunt her for ever.

 

[Opiate]

I think the root of the problem at hand is also the source of many of those 10 000 social injustices you would want to fix.

This I definitely agree with. Generally, the world would be a better place if people were more rational and more empathetic.

I'd add that my (Relative and personal) lack of concern does not mean no one should care about it at all. It's important to have people voicing a variety of different social ills.

 

[jaxword]

Genital Entertainment Executives!

Sexhavers~

 

[Majestad]

But is she STEM?

The fuck is that?

 

[jaxword]

The fuck is that?

It's an acronym for "Let's have fun."

 

[jwluther]

The fuck is that?

Science/Technology/Engineering/Math

The answer to the original question is no. She's a Women's Studies major, as far as I know.

 

[ronito]

Sexhavers~

Audio/Visual Arousal Technicians.

 

[SlipperySlope]

Science/Technology/Engineering/Math

The answer to the original question is no. She's a Women's Studies major, as far as I know.

Odd. She seems to spend much of her time studying men.

That said, I'm looking her up tonight...

 

[CornBurrito]

No offense but you make her out to be a hero. Determined and difficult sacrifices? Lol geeze, glad I didn't have to make those "difficult sacrifices" she did.

So you're saying that selling your body for money and having it filmed isn't a difficult decision?

 

[SlipperySlope]

So you're saying that selling your body for money and having it filmed isn't a difficult decision?

I'd do it. Though I doubt people would pay to see me.

 

[Odrion]

It is unfortunate. While I do agree, I also think there are a nearly infinite number of far more pressing issues to worry about before we worry about the world being more accepting of porn stars.

It reminds me of a girl in college who was extremely vocal about co-ed bathrooms; the demand for gender segregation in our bathrooms is mostly just a consequence of people being prudish. I don't disagree, but I can't imagine that cracking even a top 10,000 list of social injustices I want to fix.

Since you are a very intelligent dude, I want to ask you where the line is in using the "There are starving children in Africa, why focus on this injustice?" argument, since typically anyone that uses this argument gets beaned in the head with an e-brick.

 

[Jazzy Network]

It's an acronym for "Down To F*ck."

Good to know.

 

[Vermillion]

Yes, this is the real reason to not do porn. The moral/religious objections are obviously silly, but the professional ramifications are extended and long term. Unless you make it to the very top of the profession and make millions, you'll end up needing a new job when you're 30 and at that point you've considerably limited your options.

Aye. If I recall correctly, there was some ruckus about Sasha Grey reading to children. Plus other teachers who didn't even do porn, but if naked pictures came up, might as well pack your things.

It'll require a huge shift of perceptions for doing porn to be a viable stop on your career path in America. Even then, I doubt they would be able to do things like politics for even more years after that.

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Dropping the term "porn star" might help.

I propose the name Sexernova.

 

[faceless007]

It is unfortunate. While I do agree, I also think there are a nearly infinite number of far more pressing issues to worry about before we worry about the world being more accepting of porn stars.

It reminds me of a girl in college who was extremely vocal about co-ed bathrooms; the demand for gender segregation in our bathrooms is mostly just a consequence of people being prudish. I don't disagree, but I can't imagine that cracking even a top 10,000 list of social injustices I want to fix.

I'm surprised to see someone who is normally so logical engage in appeal to worse problems.

 

[Count Dookkake]

I propose the name Sexernova.

Asster.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Dropping the term "porn star" might help.

We should just call them sex actors.

 

[jaxword]

Audio/Visual Arousal Technicians.

Fundys.

 

[Opiate]

Since you are a very intelligent dude, I want to ask you where the line is in using the "There are starving children in Africa, why focus on this injustice?" argument, since typically anyone that uses this argument gets beaned in the head with an e-brick.

Really great question. It's something I'd thought about too. I can't give a concrete answer, other than to say both extremes are absurd: focusing exclusively on the biggest problem in the world because everything else is less important is one extreme , while insisting that we give time to every potential problem we can think of is the other extreme.

 

[Opiate]

I'm surprised to see someone who is normally so logical engage in appeal to worse problems.

Exactly what I just addressed. It's important not to fall prey to the other extreme and insist that every potential problem be given significant voice and time.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Did anyone do that though?

 

[Opiate]

Did anyone do that though?

Yes, explicitly as a rebuttal to my original comment in the thread?

 

[Count Dookkake]

Yes, explicitly as a rebuttal to my original comment in the thread?

Doesn't read that way to me. Perhaps I missed the post to which you refer.

EDIT - Yeah, does not appear that happened.

 

[ronito]

Fundys.

copulation broadcast purveyor

 

[jaxword]

copulation broadcast purveyor

Orgasm production facilitator.

 

[TUROK]

Well, I now know what her butthole looks like.

Satisfactory thread.

 

[ronito]

Orgasm production facilitator.

arousal architect

 

[hwalker84]

I know Duke is a private institution, but this is just disgusting to see.

And the fact that public universities are edging closer and closer to similarly obscene numbers each year (looking at you, University of California schools), while the overall value of a college degree decreases just makes you want to vomit.

The higher education system in the United States is biggest con on the fucking planet.

Yep. I've been paying for 8 years and have around 35,000 still left to pay.