I didn't write shit about sympathy. I have no desire to try an understand why some racist murdered 9 black people, fuck him and anyone suggesting we should.
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Dylann Roof sentenced to death for the murders of nine black church members
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I didn't write shit about sympathy. I have no desire to try an understand why some racist murdered 9 black people, fuck him and anyone suggesting we should.
ugaboga232
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That would require us to not be ruled by emotion and to believe we don't really have any agency in the classical sense which is not a fun thought.
But to figure out how to fix this from happening again we have to figure out why it happened.
cpp_is_king
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Life in prison without parole is retribution. The death penalty is solving the problem and moving on with our lives
CrispyBoar
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I probably wouldn't worry. It takes quite a long while before it's actually carried out, so either way, he'll most likely be an easy target for prisoners, especially black inmates.
And he'll deserve it, each & every day that he's still alive.
Cow Mengde
Banned
That's why I'm all for death penalty. I'm all for death penalty when the case is as clear cut as this. There is no doubt on what he did! I'm not for death penalty if the evidence isn't clear, like a murder or something. This isn't murder, this is a massacre. He deserves death.
This is a perfectly rational liberal viewpoint.
HiredN00bs
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Yeah, fuck all those psychologists and neuorscientists trying to make the world a better place!
It may sound sadistic but in my opinion they may even torture him to death giving a needle for this sort of crime is a easy way out.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Guys..what drove him to do this? Did he leave a manifesto behind? Probably not. Anyone could have chosen a black church because black people were in it and they want to kill black people. Anyone. You never know. You might just want to kill black people one day. Don't you want sympathy and understanding for the day YOU snap? Just saying..
I always find it fascinating that we have understand or figure out a reason why someone murders people when the murderer is white.
We know why he killed these people, he is a racist who lives in a society built around white supremacy.
A society that doesn't view black people as victim when they're being victimized.
A society where a supposed "ally" doesn't understand why he shouldn't say "nigger" and then tells people we should show empathy towards a man who slaughtered nine black people.
There is nothing more to understand about this piece of shit.
You have some links to psychologists and neuroscientists suggesting we should show empathy toward Roof?
On one end Dylan Roof is not someone I would cry if they died. On the other hand unless you are torturing someone to death (something we shouldnt do), I don't see the point of killing him. Death is a way out, suffering in prison is the better option. And I dont mean prison rape or getting his ass whooped but being locked in a cage is not something humans look forward to.
FadedRevolution
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Nah fuck your bullshit bruh. Fuck all that thinking "critically" bullshit you talking about. This fucking piece of shit wrote a manifesto, even admitted that he had second thoughts about killing them because they welcomed him into the church, and then proceeded to kill them anyway. This piece of shit knew what he was doing and is proud of it and has no regrets. I'm supposed to feel sorry for him? Fuck that. It's funny when white people commit heinous crimes and get punished all of a sudden we have to worry about their mental health and feel sorry for them. If you want to pretend to feel sorry for him and care about his mental health so that you can feel superior to us emotional creatures than go the fuck ahead. In the end you ain't really about shit and you ain't special. So you can sit the fuck down and go somewhere with that bullshit
Yes thats called being a hypocrite.
"I DONT APPROVE of the DP but i'll allow an exception this time"
You act like I'm on the board approving the punishment.
Like, a 19 year old dude did this. He was accepted into the church, mulled it over and was like "Yeah Imma kill these Niggers because F them." He is a terrible piece of trash who does not deserve to be alive. Who did not deserve to be able to grab BK with the cops, who does not deserve to live. He was declared mentally stable. He basically looked at his mom and said "Sorry Ma, but fuck them niggas.
The Fatal Englishman
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Why are there so many people in this thread conflating any moral or scientific objections to the death penalty in this case with sympathy for Roof? Nobody is sympathising with the mass murderer.
This entire thread is incredibly disturbing.
I am not conflating a damn thing. I am directly addressing Mr. "ally's" suggestion that we show any empathy toward a dude who murdered nine black people simply because they were black.
Adam_Vania
Banned
im usually very anti-death penalty, but man, fuck this murderer forever. the world is a safer place without him.
for everyone saying "I wish he could stay in jail for life and suffer, he's getting off easy" maybe you can tone down the bloodlust long enough to realize you are trying to get your state violence kicks and want to eat your cake too
for everyone saying "I wish he could stay in jail for life and suffer, he's getting off easy" maybe you can tone down the bloodlust long enough to realize you are trying to get your state violence kicks and want to eat your cake too
Alligatorjandro
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Fuck him. I hope he burns.
Evil bastard
Evil bastard
ugaboga232
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I am a neuroscientist. I will one day be a doctor. Your answer of why he did this falls short for me because there are a lot of racists as the recent election showed us. I agree completely about society's shortcomings in this area. But to say this is open and shut racism is to miss the point of how to combat it. Extrapolating this same point of view to suicide essentially leads to us throwing our hands up. What he did is horrific beyond words. I want to figure out how to stop it. Changing society will help but the greater issue of home grown terrorism is unlikely to stop soon.
Again, murder is to easy of a word
Slaughter maybe
You wanna know what I don't care about in this case, understanding the mind of someone willing to slaughter a minority, write a manifesto, and not apologize for it
Bringing up Roof's genes, his environment, his parenthood- everything to excuse or downplay just plain ol' white supremacy which does a better job than people would like to admit at dehumanizing black people to the point that it makes it easy for teenagers to go on killing sprees like this- comes across as asking for sympathy and understanding, or at the least is concern trolling about his mental health, when black people by and large are not afforded this same luxury and call for debate and understanding.
It's a shtick that gets old real fucking quick.
Eyemus Lutt
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I think he should have got life without parole, it would have been a harsher sentence than death.
Changing how society views black people would be a huge step in the right direction. Society also needs to stop making excuses for white muderers.
While he more than likely felt what he was doing as nothing more than slaughtering cattle, I feel uneasy using that descriptor for their murders.
ugaboga232
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It would be a huge first step. In my neurocentric world, excuse and motive don't mean much to me but I agree with your point. There is still something we can learn here. This was the wrong person in the wrong environment in the wrong society. We can and need to focus on trying to work on fixing all three of those things. Still, I swore the hippocratic oath. My personal opinions on agency are not those of society and I completely agree society gives the benefit of the doubt on racial/ethnic lines but I still can't endorse the death penalty for anyone.
The Fatal Englishman
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And what exactly is killing him going to teach anyone? Nothing. Out of sight, out of mind, right?
The notion that we can justify the state killing anybody under any circumstances is morally repugnant.
The One and Done
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Punishment fits the crime. Burn.
Big Baybee
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Man fuck that. Someone who kills 9 people deserves to fucking die.
I can't use murder. When I think murder I don't think unloading entire mags into people. I don't think mutilating bodies to the point of them being unrecognizable. I don't think any of that. I think more of just a shot or two. A couple stabs. Not what Roof did.
HiredN00bs
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I am a very emotional person and I believe strongly in the things I write about and fuck your bullshit and anti-intellectual rhetoric and race baiting.
A call against retribution is not racist. It is humanist.
I don't have to argue with people here about race. Almost everyone here recognizes the immorality of slavery and segregation, persecution, murder, the ugliness of racism, its subversiveness and indisduous veins in our culture and institutions. They don't need to be convinced. But there are a whole lot of people here espousing and relishing retribution without rationality, without introspection or examination.
When I confront white conservatives about questioning their racism and prejuidices, I'm met with similar responses to yours. People don't like thinking about their own self-perceived ugliness.
Basketball
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I agree to a point
but let me add to the punishment
Put them in a 6*6 cell ... 12 feet under ground.
Yeah...no
boiled goose
good with gravy
Against death penalty. Even for monsters.
Makes us become monsters too and justify violence as an answer.
It's about revenge. Not justice.
Makes us become monsters too and justify violence as an answer.
It's about revenge. Not justice.
Okay, put him in prison and he is protected. He does not deserve to live.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Roof sentenced to death... Trump's world crumbling...
Today was a good day.
Very funny. You almost had me for a second.
Today was a good day.
Very funny. You almost had me for a second.
-Stranger-
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Good riddance.
He can hang for all I care.
He can hang for all I care.
HiredN00bs
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I'm sure you think you're justified in targeting and harassing me. Rest assured, you are not.
Zok310
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So is life
So now we've come to point of threads involving race where the white "ally" claims victimization after push back when they post shitty things.
You have those links where psychologists and neuroscientists discuss showing empathy toward a piece of shit who murdered nine black people.
More worried about how people treat a murderer than you are about the people he murdered.
AntraxSuicide
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My only opposition to the death penalty is that there's a non-zero chance you kill an innocent person, so as an institution, I oppose the practice. But damned if I care about this guy's execution. If there's a Hell, he can rot there forever.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense. To anyone posting that, if I shot 9 people and then said in court, "I really want to be convicted of these crimes and go to jail" would y'all be voting not guilty as jurors? I doubt that.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense. To anyone posting that, if I shot 9 people and then said in court, "I really want to be convicted of these crimes and go to jail" would y'all be voting not guilty as jurors? I doubt that.
FadedRevolution
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HiredN00bs
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You often respond to my posts in various threads sarcastically calling me an "ally" because of a thread where we essentially talked past one another for pages on end until you related a truly horrifying personal story. It still doens't justify this and it needs to stop.
ugaboga232
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Neuroscientists don't write papers telling people to empathize, they just try to explain human behavior and thoughts through science. Agency and choice do not enter the equation.
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