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EU- Referendum for the UK..... Neogaf UK are you in or out?
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Cameron gone and pissing off Farage? That would be great
anonymous_abc
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Exactly.
The main argument against that line of thinking seems to be "we are Britain, we are bigger, have more pulling power and the EU needs us", which is kind of the mentality that is causing the problem in the first place.
QuicheFontaine
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I'm sure that the UK will get a deal where they get access to the EU common market with no strings attached what so ever, and i also think that Mexico will fund a wall for Donald Trump.
Curious: do they even want the access, or do they just think the UK will be better off outside of the common market where noone will tell them what shape bananas must have to be bananas?
So...here is what I think will happen, I am reaching, but you never know...
Principally I think we will stay in, the 'better the devil you know' argument is hugely powerful, and I actually reckon if the vote was reversed and it was to join the EU, it would be a easy 'no'..
Anyway... I am Boris Johnson
I want the out to win, this will put me at the head of a progressive movement to force change in the EU...
Once the 'out' wins, shortly thereafter, I will get enough MP's and do a vote of no confidence against David Cameron, as he can no longer lead a party where he wants to remain as part of the EU. I will have the backing of more than half of the Tory party... I go for leadership and win with a landslide.
I become PM. I go back to the EU and say if you give me X,Y,Z I will hold another referendum. The EU agree!
Principally I think we will stay in, the 'better the devil you know' argument is hugely powerful, and I actually reckon if the vote was reversed and it was to join the EU, it would be a easy 'no'..
Anyway... I am Boris Johnson
I want the out to win, this will put me at the head of a progressive movement to force change in the EU...
Once the 'out' wins, shortly thereafter, I will get enough MP's and do a vote of no confidence against David Cameron, as he can no longer lead a party where he wants to remain as part of the EU. I will have the backing of more than half of the Tory party... I go for leadership and win with a landslide.
I become PM. I go back to the EU and say if you give me X,Y,Z I will hold another referendum. The EU agree!
Mostly nothing, just reporting that it's happening in the dark reaches of the popular media. I don't know about other EU countries but Finland has very little to none reporting done on EU issues.
Wrestlemania
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I think you've confused Boris Johnson with Frank Underwood.
Sweden: Just the facts, nothing opinionated really. Mind you, we are currently in the middle of the month long process of selecting a song for eurovision so that's not surprising.
I guess that could be considered as just allowing dual citizenship.
QuicheFontaine
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The UK doesn't limit the number. As long as the other countries also allow dual citizenship, and you qualify, you can have as many as you want. Sweden allows it, Indy Scotland, well we may never know I guess.
Audioboxer
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It's going to get messy.
Although most of these MPs will probably still happily share a drink with each other behind the scenes. In other words don't buy into all the shit flinging as "sincere". Lots of career politicians in the system.
Jimbob Smalls
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Isn't clinical medical trials getting negatively hammered by EU legislation at the moment?
I'm sure I read that somewhere.
Actually it just shows how important he felt he was to the 'in' campaign, he knows he is his biggest threat, so really it is a compliment...
What should be a concern is allready this is now the Boris vs David referendum, and it is being touted as such, it is like the public are being asked who they prefer
Cool. Gotta catch 'em all.
Saint of Killers
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Cameron takes swipe at Johnson’s plan for second referendum
Stop! Stop! He's already dead. X_x
Stop! Stop! He's already dead. X_x
Little Old Man
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Someone needs to take the Captain America Civil War trailer, slap Cameron's face on Tony Stark, Boris' face on Cap, and Farage's face on Bucky for the 'I'm sorry Tony, he's my friend......And so was I' scene.
Call it Captain Tory: Civil War.
Call it Captain Tory: Civil War.
Bananajama
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Yes! Hahaha - I love that idea
PJV3
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The Labour benches were loving it, Boris must be livid.
Sir_Crocodile
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Huh, so Cameron definitely isn't standing at the next election. I know he said that a while back, but I think that was before he got a majority? Or if he said it more recently I missed it at least.
Cameron drawing first blood might be a mistake. I don't think the rest of the out campaign will bother much with holding a nice, civilised debate now.
Just goes to show that for all the talk, all of them are so political is is nuts, the whole speech from Cameron should of been about the EU, not worrying about what his opponent is doing, we all know Cameron wants Osbourne to succeed him, and he does not like anything but that
Sir_Crocodile
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If you attack the man you can damage their message.
Not a particularly positive way to go about things, but I'm not surprised. I really, really hope we don't see a repeat of how the Scottish referendum campaign was run. There were plenty of good reasons to stay together, but the union campaign tried to just use fear (though the independence campaigns hands were by no means clean either).
The EU does a lot of good things, but I suspect all we'll get is BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S OUT THERE IT'S SCARY again like we did with scotland.
Jimbob Smalls
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Bananas are the last thing on a working man's mind, especially up North.
People will vote on the specific issues that they find important, I find the suggestion that people shouldn't be given a vote on the basis they find the wrong thing important completely abhorrent and nothing short of implying dictatorship is the only way to go.
-Plasma Reus-
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The UK leaving the EU wouldn't benefit any one.
Because let's be honest, that's what it's about. Conservative members want deregulation. Leaving the EU will mean horrible things for worker rights and will impact, ironically, the regular bloke at the pub who thinks foreigners are taking his job.
EU legislation protects Britons and gives them a shot at fairer treatment when it comes to employment. That's going out the window.
Except all of those people who want to destroy employment and financial legislation designed to protect Britons.
EU legislation protects Britons and gives them a shot at fairer treatment when it comes to employment. That's going out the window.
Wrestlemania
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Edit - wrong thread.
Why are you citing Conservative members here specifically when the Conservative Prime Minister is leading the In Campaign?
-Plasma Reus-
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Note I didn't say Conservative party.
Conservative members, as in members of the conservative party.
Conservative members, as in members of the conservative party.
Sir_Crocodile
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In this instance he wants the same thing as the leaders of the labour, liberal democrat, and SNP parties.
QuicheFontaine
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Regarding this last bit, I just heard on the radio that language was included in the agreement saying that the other EU countries will take the June verdict as a final answer. I don't think it will be possible to "go back for another go", at least not in the short term.
PipefishUK
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Basically this - if we leave then this is what happens. If we don't it stays the the same but we have a say. Plus not giving up loads of benefits.
That he thinks voting no to get a better deal is the way to go.
The referendum was the threat that lead to the negotiation. They negotiated a deal Cameron agreed on. Voting no and then going back for new negotiations should not be rewarded. It should be handled like they handled Greece. "Oh, you voted no, we thought you meant it. The deal is off the table."
I doubt that England will walk out unharmed if they vote to leave. I do expect them to be hit with everything EU could hit them with, maybe even turning England to literal hell hole. Just like any other country that tried to blackmail EU. There wont be a Norwegian style deal, I think it will be more of "you wanted out? Enjoy it, BYE"
If there is even the slightest chance that all trade with EU will be ceased and subject to extra tax + banks, investors leaving England then I reckon that's a risk that is too big to undertake. Then what you got to do? Hope for China to come and save the trade? I think they are content in investing in Greece (and probably will be able to get a better deal there anyway).
I think its better off to play it safe and vote to stay.
If there is even the slightest chance that all trade with EU will be ceased and subject to extra tax + banks, investors leaving England then I reckon that's a risk that is too big to undertake. Then what you got to do? Hope for China to come and save the trade? I think they are content in investing in Greece (and probably will be able to get a better deal there anyway).
I think its better off to play it safe and vote to stay.
Pretty sure that'd be the first time the EU accepted the result of a nation's referendum that went against the EU.
QuicheFontaine
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Surprised me too! But I think they said the language was included at the 11th hour by the Belgians. They were obviously preempting what BoJo is suggesting in his column.
anonymous_abc
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In Germany the overall feeling is that the whole thing is a mess and bad for the EU either way.
The fact that the EU gave way to Camerons demands (no matter how consequential they might be) is seen as weakness and will likely result in every other country coming forth and wanting their own specialised deal. I.e. the EU won't work if everyone comes along and just picks the cherries from the cake.
This along with the migrant 'crisis' has brought forth the ugly face of national interest before the common good again.
If that is true, I know who I'm voting for the next election.
Sir_Crocodile
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I wasn't aware it had ever left.
kavanf1
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And the reality is that regardless of what the result is, the vast majority of people will get on with their lives and not be impacted to any significant degree.
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