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Fantasia: Music Evolved Announced (Disney/Harmonix, 360/XBO, Kinect, 2014)
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CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
Not feelin it. It being a Kinect game is already a turnoff for me since I game in a smaller environment and haven't bought a Kinect since it won't work well in those conditions. Secondly, the music choice and art style look absolutely nothing like the gorgeous and varied styles and moods from the Fantasia movies. I watched the first one on VHS as a kid so much that the tape wore out, I saw Fantasia 2000 in IMAX as soon as it came out. Walt's dream of combining music and visualizing it via animation, turning it into a road show of sorts and expanding both mediums really left an impression on me and was a huge part of my growing up.
Nothing I've seen from this is giving me that excited vibe I used to get. I don't feel passion or respect for the arts from the scenes. I think i'm out on this one, sorry Harmonix. Hope you guys still have some of the kickbacks from the 800 DLC songs I bought on Rock Band though.
Nothing I've seen from this is giving me that excited vibe I used to get. I don't feel passion or respect for the arts from the scenes. I think i'm out on this one, sorry Harmonix. Hope you guys still have some of the kickbacks from the 800 DLC songs I bought on Rock Band though.
I'll wait before judging...I actually love Fantasia and if in some way this game could capture some of its magic, it'll be worth it 
I actually don't get most of the complaints...Kinect is here to stay, this seems like the most intelligent way of developing games for it...seriously, what did you want from it? Except for to not exist, which is a dumb response
I actually don't get most of the complaints...Kinect is here to stay, this seems like the most intelligent way of developing games for it...seriously, what did you want from it? Except for to not exist, which is a dumb response
I'll wait before judging...I actually love Fantasia and if in some way this game could capture some of its magic, it'll be worth it
I actually don't get most of the complaints...Kinect is here to stay, this seems like the most intelligent way of developing games for it...seriously, what did you want from it? Except for to no exist, which is a dumb response
The complaints really aren't centered on the Kinect aspect of it at all.
I hope you're not one of the people who cheers Kamiya's responses to people.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Now he's just coming off as a tool. There was no Bruno fucking Mars in Beatles Rock Band.
Father_Brain
Banned
The heavy focus on contemporary pop music is still a legitimate area for criticism, but nonetheless, it seems that people are focusing more on the (admittedly terrible) gameplay-free trailer and less on the actual content of the game, which sounds much more interesting based on hands-on previews. Granted, that's largely Disney PR's fault for making that trailer and not allowing gameplay footage to be released, but I do imagine that sentiment towards this project will get significantly more positive as more of it is shown.
I hope so
Haunted
Member
Stone Ocean
Member
It's different when someone does that after a controversial reveal. Kamiya comes off as arrogant and sarcastic, this other guy comes off as a dick.
Best response would be no response.
This is exactly what I felt--no fantasia at all. Felt like another Dance Central, but with Disney slapped on for marketing purposes. Hope I'm wrong, but the hype's been deflated a good bit.
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I'm surprised MS didn't hold this for the Conference. With them letting stuff like this go out beforehand, I think we may have the 'core'ist E3 conference we've had from them in years.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Not sure why the two have to be mutually exclusive.
Wasn't RB Blitz basically a spiritual successor though?
:S ...why?
Anticitizen One
Banned
"Based on Walt Disney's Masterpiece..."
video shows absolutely zero relation to Walt Disney's Masterpiece
Have these people even seen the Fantasia movies?
video shows absolutely zero relation to Walt Disney's Masterpiece
Have these people even seen the Fantasia movies?
Anticitizen One
Banned
As far as I'm concerned if you release a dumbass trailer like that (especially one that only gamers are going to take a look at) you deserve heavy scrutiny.
Goldenmoney
Member
Holy crap look at the dislike bar for the trailer lol. Personally, I don't know what to think about this game.
Quadraphonic
Member
Rumors of a Fantasia game spring up.
People imagine the classic music, the classic scenes, Mickey Mouse, dancing hippos, centaurs, Chernabog.
Kinect-based? Harmonix?
Ok... maybe some kind of ballet stuff.
Nope.
Dubstep, house music. Because when I THINK of Fantasia, I imagine rubbing my hands over a floating turtle to dubstep and a classical remix of Bohemian Rhapsody.
No classic scenes. No classic characters. Only the wizard dude.
Is there the classic music? Uhm, MAYBE.
What a poor fucking game. What a terrible reveal. There's nothing redeeming about this EXCEPT maybe the art might be good, but you have to suffer through gameplay to get there.
Why the fuck even CALL it Fantasia?
People imagine the classic music, the classic scenes, Mickey Mouse, dancing hippos, centaurs, Chernabog.
Kinect-based? Harmonix?
Ok... maybe some kind of ballet stuff.
Nope.
Dubstep, house music. Because when I THINK of Fantasia, I imagine rubbing my hands over a floating turtle to dubstep and a classical remix of Bohemian Rhapsody.
No classic scenes. No classic characters. Only the wizard dude.
Is there the classic music? Uhm, MAYBE.
What a poor fucking game. What a terrible reveal. There's nothing redeeming about this EXCEPT maybe the art might be good, but you have to suffer through gameplay to get there.
Why the fuck even CALL it Fantasia?
MiniBossBattle
Member
Fantasia is based on ballet & orchestral music. Don't understand the Bruno Mars attached to Disney presenting visuals to classical music.
Rhapsody in Blue or no buy.
Rhapsody in Blue or no buy.
Retail.
The point that I was trying to get across is that I just want non-Kinect major projects again. I sunk a ton of time into the RB games and Unplugged and Blitz were great too, I thought Harmonix could at least continue making bigger games in the style of those. To be fair that probably wouldn't sell as well though, and they do need to stay afloat as a company. Oh well, at least there's still a ton of Rock Band DLC I haven't downloaded yet.....for now.....
Vire
Member
Exactly, doesn't seem to exploit the Disney license at all, which is really strange.
Father_Brain
Banned
Well, I'm not expecting the game to win everyone over. The name Fantasia conjures up expectations of classical music and classic Disney cartoon stylings, and a lot of people, not unreasonably, won't be able to get past the game not matching those expectations.
Harmonix isn't the publisher, so it almost certainly wasn't their call. For some reason, Disney's marketing team thought that an abstract live-action trailer pushing it as a HIP COOL MUSIC GAME WITH YOUR FAVORITE TOP 40 HITS would make a better first impression.
Ok... that is fucking cool. This app as a Kinect-driven DJ Hero would be pretty amazing, honestly.
von Stroheim
Member
I'm much too sad about the death of Rock Band to mess with this....
Quadraphonic
Member
And what's more bizarre is that it isn't even REMIXES of the songs. It's just straight up songs that you hear on the radio. It might as well be called Radio Disney Dance Central
The Bruno Mars song in the trailer is a remix. That's not the version you'd hear on the radio.
I don't think they have Avicii or uncensored Bruno Mars on Radio Disney anyways >_>
oh god why do I know what they play on Radio Disney
Quadraphonic
Member
A remix of Fantasia music.
... I don't know what I was expecting, that trailer pretty much sums up modern day Disney.
Not really. Disney is a huge company.
A few years back they tried to jazz up some dance shows
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmhFWU03BTQ
It had rapping to the Pirates song. People lambasted it and it was cut quickly.
Compare it to THESE shows which debuted in the last few months:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjaGlk6h7g0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8zvdRzLYuU
This is a big confusing mess, but there are still some parts of the company that know what they are doing.
I was just randomly reading everyone whining about the trailer thinking it can't possibly be that bad. Then I watched it. Damn.
Don't really know who this game is catering to as per that trailer; i.e. looks like a poor man's dance game. There's probably more to come though, but :lol
edit: But yeah, this seems to suffer from lack of focus and specific target group. Fantasia fans? Sorry no Fantasia. Dance game fans? Dance games are likely superior. Will see though.
Don't really know who this game is catering to as per that trailer; i.e. looks like a poor man's dance game. There's probably more to come though, but :lol
edit: But yeah, this seems to suffer from lack of focus and specific target group. Fantasia fans? Sorry no Fantasia. Dance game fans? Dance games are likely superior. Will see though.
Cornbread78
Member
ummm, yay! They are already on the Kinect bangwagon! The hype train will include a lot of dancing!
Well yeah, okay. I would've loved to see stuff like Night on Bald Mountain in this game instead of pop music. Still, Harmonix have yet to release a bad game, so I fully trust that they know what they're doing. Not sure if I'll actually buy it though, I guess that depends on whether I will get the Xbone or not.
Quadraphonic
Member
Oh yeah, EyeToy: AntiGrav was amazing.
CamHostage
Member
Yep. I really think if Fantasia hadn't been a maddening flop in its original version and Fantasia 2000 hadn't been a labor of love and nothing more than that at the box office in order for the Fantasia line to have evolved as originally intended all these years, our idea of what Fantasia is would be wildly different today. (In fact, I consider some of the Disney park presentations such as Fantasmic and World of Color to be very much in keeping with what Walt thought "Fantasia" as a concept would be, and those shows are very modernized.) It's not the Fantasia I want, but I don't see it being the bastardization that some are accusing it of being.
Again, labor of love. Fantasia 2000 was an attempt to do something to honor Walt's vision even though realistically the company could not afford to do what it originally was envisioned as. It was one film instead of a series, years after the death of the dream, and they styled it in a way that made sense at the time to cohesively stick to what people consider "Fantasia" to be. And Fantasia 2000 also had pop figures of the day (watch it now, it holds up but it's a little weirder every year to have famous faces from the '90s like Bette Midler, Penn & Teller and James Earl Jones introducing clips,) so Disney wasn't above pandering to try and connect with young and hip audiences even before we became too jaded for classical.
I would have been really excited about this if it had the original, classical soundtrack, but it seems as though I'm just not their target audience...
Look, it's a Youtube clip for a game that's gotta sell to the shitty kids we're raising this generation, that's not to say that classical music won't be in in some form (in fact, it's confirmed that classical will be a factor.) It's entirely possible that when us old fogeys outside the 18-24 demographic will find a mode or course though the game that's entirely to our liking (once we've put down the salad and turned off Pearl Jam on the hi-fi, of course.)
But I totally agree, it's swung way too far for the generic and inspires little of the wonder that I want from a modern take on Fantasia. And the screenshots (which show little of the avant-garde experimentation of Child of Eden, much less the iconic style of what we know to be Fantasia) are doing even more damage than the trailers. So I'm giving them some rope since the guys at Harmonix seem like they really care about music and would have enough F-U money to not take on a Fantasia project if it didn't honor Walt, but my expectations are low at this point.