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Forza 3: First official glimpse
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AndersTheSwede
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Uh, there wasn't anything in there about forcing people to only play in cockpit. If you don't like it, or want to play a more arcade style, cool. Whatever floats your boat.
It's about the option of being able to do it in, what is for all intensive purposes, a fairly hardcore racing sim.
Now I know seeing the complete dashboard is lame and unrealistic, and the production requirements to do that are insane.
But what about at least a representation of the field of view for that particular car with the very top of the steering wheel/gauges for perspective?
This wouldn't require rendering the whole interior, but it would still allow the representation of the field of view for that particular car, taking into account the angle of the windshield, placement of the pillars and so on. This does impact how you drive the car and in any honest simulation (particularly one like Forza that takes physics to the level that it does) should be included IMHO.
mujun said:
Uh, there wasn't anything in there about forcing people to only play in cockpit. If you don't like it, or want to play a more arcade style, cool. Whatever floats your boat.
It's about the option of being able to do it in, what is for all intensive purposes, a fairly hardcore racing sim.
Now I know seeing the complete dashboard is lame and unrealistic, and the production requirements to do that are insane.
But what about at least a representation of the field of view for that particular car with the very top of the steering wheel/gauges for perspective?
This wouldn't require rendering the whole interior, but it would still allow the representation of the field of view for that particular car, taking into account the angle of the windshield, placement of the pillars and so on. This does impact how you drive the car and in any honest simulation (particularly one like Forza that takes physics to the level that it does) should be included IMHO.
Len Dontree
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AndersTheSwede said:
Yes yes, these porpoises are most intensive, but I could care less. You would of known if their weary of you.
AndersTheSwede said:
you made it sound in the post i originally quoted that there was little point in any view except cockpit because the game is attempting to realistically simulate something that is what i couldnt agree with.
sure both options should be there (or as many as possible) but i get the feeling that dev time wise cockpit views are a big task and given the choice between a timely release and cockpit views id be happy for them to ditch cockpit views.
Andronicus
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chespace said:
GT driving/physics are more realistic as well
Andronicus
Banned
op_ivy said:
From driving some of the cars that appear in both series around tracks i'd say my point is justified.
The only thing I hate with people is the following:
In some arcade racer thread, it's all good. People like that. Now when there's a racing game, once in 5 years, that STARTS TO HINT AT simulation you suddendly get TONS of people whining.
Are you against diversity? Can't we have nice things too? Can I have ONE god damned sim racer while you fucking get 349087 arcade racers? Is that too much to ask of you to shut the fuck up for once?
It truly hope Forza 3 won't go the casual/arcade road. There's already a truckload of those out there, go play them.
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In some arcade racer thread, it's all good. People like that. Now when there's a racing game, once in 5 years, that STARTS TO HINT AT simulation you suddendly get TONS of people whining.
Are you against diversity? Can't we have nice things too? Can I have ONE god damned sim racer while you fucking get 349087 arcade racers? Is that too much to ask of you to shut the fuck up for once?
It truly hope Forza 3 won't go the casual/arcade road. There's already a truckload of those out there, go play them.
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Blame! said:
Seconded.
Sometimes i just want to play a quick race for fun, without taking anything into consideration, and other times I want to play a 50 lap course with hard difficulty and simulation.
Forza 2 shows that you can cater to both audiences. I want them to keep doing that.
Ranger X said:
i hope you arent referring to my post?
was forza 2 simmy enough for you? i basically would be totally happy with forza 2 x 1.5. i just need more tracks, gfx upgrade and some other stuff improved on an actually i wont be just totally happy ill be totally stoked to play forza 3.
i dont want them to make it more or less simmy than 2, i want it to allow ppl like me who arent so hardcore to enjoy it too.
PjotrStroganov
Member
The balance between sim and not so sim was great. But it was really butt clenching to see people were flocking to Forza 2 because of it's livery editor. Don't get me wrong, it's great. But what's more important in a racing game? Having a cockpit view or being able to draw some anime shit on your bonnet. I could even go without an extensive tuning mode if it meant that a cockpit view could be implemented.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
I can't wait.
PjotrStroganov said:
You're missing the point. What the livery editor and car tuning options did was add a nice trading system between the community. You might be crap at doing art work but real good at tuning cars or vice versa. It worked well in Forza 2 and I hope they improve it for 3.
Haunted
Member
Let's not kid ourselves - if Forza 3 doesn't have cockpit views, it's clearly because of a conscious design decision and not because porting the fucking livery editor from Forza 2 to 3 required so much work they couldn't possibly have implemented cockpits.PjotrStroganov said:
Although that would be one decision I strongly disagree with and would be disappointed in.
TwiztidElf
Member
((sigh))
Every g****n m**********n time Forza comes up, and the whole cockpit issue comes up I get so g****n m**********n angry.
When I'm driving in my pos car down the street, can I see the gearstick, the dash and the rest of the cr@p inside my car? NO! Because I'm focused on the sh!t that's going on out the front of my windscreen (my field of vision). Strangely enough, the same views that Forza offers. Cockpit<>Realism.
Every g****n m**********n time Forza comes up, and the whole cockpit issue comes up I get so g****n m**********n angry.
When I'm driving in my pos car down the street, can I see the gearstick, the dash and the rest of the cr@p inside my car? NO! Because I'm focused on the sh!t that's going on out the front of my windscreen (my field of vision). Strangely enough, the same views that Forza offers. Cockpit<>Realism.
I don't think many people are asking for really great looking, detailed cockpits. Just a view with some A pillar, top of dash and steering wheel, rearview mirror, and something that gives the impression of a windscreen. So it seems like you're in the car but doesn't take a ridiculous amount of time for the developers to model for hundreds and hundreds of cars.
Forza 1 had the racing line by the way if that F1 game came out afterwards, it wasn't something that only started with FM2.
Forza 1 had the racing line by the way if that F1 game came out afterwards, it wasn't something that only started with FM2.
For Chrissakes I can't believe there's an argument for not including a cockpit view in the premier "sim" racing game for the 360....
Oh and personally I feel the driving model needs to be overhauled in the same manner as the GT4 to GT5
transition - I always got the feeling in Forza I was gliding around instead of driving, and the different drivetrains felt nothing like their respective realistic counterparts (the RWD cars anyone?)
Don't forget about the collisions either, it made close racing ridiculous at times as one tap could send you 180 as if the car suddenly lost all mass.
I'm still looking forward to it, obviously
Oh and personally I feel the driving model needs to be overhauled in the same manner as the GT4 to GT5
transition - I always got the feeling in Forza I was gliding around instead of driving, and the different drivetrains felt nothing like their respective realistic counterparts (the RWD cars anyone?)Don't forget about the collisions either, it made close racing ridiculous at times as one tap could send you 180 as if the car suddenly lost all mass.
I'm still looking forward to it, obviously
i was thinking about several features i'd love to see in F3 last night.
test area. how about a large driving space just to fuck around in the cars? have bits of this massive area be covered in different surface types (water, gravel, or differing asphalt types). parts of this area could be set up for various test tracks, quarter mile, slalom, braking, etc with maybe a spot you park at in front of each location to load that specific "event" instantly. open this up as a lobby too, so you could screw around or compete with your friends.
race analysis. forza has always strived to have an ai presence in their game. they have had ghost drivers that try to mimic your ability, why not take this ai a bit further and have it offer both general, and race specific advice following each race? i envision a race analysis mode where the previous race track (simple diagram) is shown with your best lap's racing line over laid. you could hit "play" to watch your progress as a marker moving around the course in real time. relevant data would be shown (ex. speed, % traction), and left and right triggers could be used to rewind or speed up the playback, with the analog used to control rate of playback. the aforementioned ai would offer suggestions whether they are generic tips that it picked up on, like applying the accelerator to forcefully coming out of corners, or specific to the tracks turns, like approach turn 7 from the far outside.
tuning analysis. along the same lines as above, have this ai also make suggestions for tuning based on your driving characteristics. i love that i can tune in forza, but honestly, i'm shit at it even though i think i'm very competent at the racing. it would be nice for people that arent necessarily gear heads to be able to get suggestions specific to there driving habits to get better performance out of their cars.
also, a bit of a tangent, but what was said about the career mode is sooo true. stop trying to copy cat the way GT handles progression. it doesnt work for them, there is no reason to try to mimic it. surely there are better ways to advance through a career mode. i like the idea of sponsorships and team racing, but am not familiar enough with GRID to make direct comparisons.
test area. how about a large driving space just to fuck around in the cars? have bits of this massive area be covered in different surface types (water, gravel, or differing asphalt types). parts of this area could be set up for various test tracks, quarter mile, slalom, braking, etc with maybe a spot you park at in front of each location to load that specific "event" instantly. open this up as a lobby too, so you could screw around or compete with your friends.
race analysis. forza has always strived to have an ai presence in their game. they have had ghost drivers that try to mimic your ability, why not take this ai a bit further and have it offer both general, and race specific advice following each race? i envision a race analysis mode where the previous race track (simple diagram) is shown with your best lap's racing line over laid. you could hit "play" to watch your progress as a marker moving around the course in real time. relevant data would be shown (ex. speed, % traction), and left and right triggers could be used to rewind or speed up the playback, with the analog used to control rate of playback. the aforementioned ai would offer suggestions whether they are generic tips that it picked up on, like applying the accelerator to forcefully coming out of corners, or specific to the tracks turns, like approach turn 7 from the far outside.
tuning analysis. along the same lines as above, have this ai also make suggestions for tuning based on your driving characteristics. i love that i can tune in forza, but honestly, i'm shit at it even though i think i'm very competent at the racing. it would be nice for people that arent necessarily gear heads to be able to get suggestions specific to there driving habits to get better performance out of their cars.
also, a bit of a tangent, but what was said about the career mode is sooo true. stop trying to copy cat the way GT handles progression. it doesnt work for them, there is no reason to try to mimic it. surely there are better ways to advance through a career mode. i like the idea of sponsorships and team racing, but am not familiar enough with GRID to make direct comparisons.
AndresON777
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Saiyu said:
360 can't handle it. It'll probably blow up
Musashi Wins! said:
this.
better replay cameras and overall replay feature
more tracks. much more.
if they do put in cockpit mode and take out something else Ill be pissed. if they dont give us better replays Ill be even more pissed.
if we dont get every track that is available in forza 2 plus many new ones Ill be pissed.
otherwise Forza has my money already.
SeaOfMadness
Member
-viper- said:
You're right. Forza 2 didn't invent the racing line aid.
Forza 1 did. Ever since then it's been copied by game after game.
Elfforkusu
Member
Weather and cockpit view are the two things I really want to see make it into FM3... but if they don't include cockpit view that isn't a dealbreaker, it's just a tad frustrating.
Diablohead
Member
I think when the game comes out I should revive that tournament I was trying to do with F2, hardly anyone entered though so it never happened.
oldergamer
Member
anyone have a cached version of the video?
PjotrStroganov
Member
Gbeav said:
Haha, I remember that:lol
MrTroubleMaker
Gold Member
I'm hoping for a cockpit view
Diablohead
Member
I'm thinking that they have added a cockpit but not to the extent we know from PGR, GT5 and GRID etc, i'm going to say it's more of a luxury hood camMrTroubleMaker said: