brotkasten
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For the next Box.TheOddOne said:
I guess you didn't watch the E3 2009 conference?Shaneus said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gUwR9Gcr_M
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Forza Motorsport 4 - Pre-order and boxart announcement
- Thread starter G Rom
- Start date
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gUwR9Gcr_M
mclaren777
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I hope it bursts into flames.Shaneus said:
Tiago Leite
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G Rom said:
Do it do it do it!
Yay!
PS: the wait is killing me... :/
Tiago Leite
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Diablohead
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I take it's too late to change the shitty logo then
Spaceman Spiff
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Kinda lame the 458's daytime DRLs aren't on, but hey, October is still a while away.
16 hours to go. GET HYPED GUYS
16 hours to go. GET HYPED GUYS
diamondstar
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saladine1 said:
I like your ideas but I doubt it will ever get that way because it would be too difficult for anyone that is not a gear head to wrap their head around it all. Hell I know quite a bit about cars and while I understood a lot of your post, there is a lot you posted that I don't even understand. haha
But what I would love is a balance between super easy and super complicated. Forza is at a decent spot right now but could be better. Imo, it is way ahead of Gran Turismo though. I just want penalties or consequences for bad upgrade paths. And I want the upgrades I choose to always make a difference.
Spaceman Spiff
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skyfinch said:
Didn't think of that.
Make it happen, Turn 10.
mclaren777
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Fixed.Diablohead said:I take it's too late to change the shitty car then
I nearly lost the fap contest to this. Don't joke about this.TheOddOne said:
If MS announces PGR5 for WP7 tomorrow I'll put a bullet in my iPhone.
I don't post here often enough, but I'm absolutely fucking stoked for what MS has to say aboug Forza 4 tomorrow. I thought I'd be having a fall season that was light on the wallet, but it looks like one game I'll have to pick up for sure is Forza 4.
I'm just a sucker for any 360 racing game with tons of cars that I adore in it
We'll probably see a pre recorded video of the Stig doing some happy laps in the 458. He then parks the car,comes into onto the stage with fake stage smoke filling the air.
I bet we'll also see the obligatory 'Ask the STIG a question and receive no answer while folding his arms' gig.
Not long now you sons o beeches, not long now 'till the world ends..
I bet we'll also see the obligatory 'Ask the STIG a question and receive no answer while folding his arms' gig.
Not long now you sons o beeches, not long now 'till the world ends..
I think Forza will get 10 minutes MAXIMUM on stage. I mean I love flash and all, but I really, really hope Dan just gets up and demos all the big new features with some gameplay instead of talk, teasers and trailers.saladine1 said:
Show me dynamic weather. Show me proper replay to youtube rendering. Show me rally tracks. Show me a million polygon Enzo. Show me da hype.
soundscream
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The car is amazingmclaren777 said:
as long as its not a hoy day, cause it will set itself on fire
brotkasten
Member
Jesus, don't get cocky just because McLaren manages to produce something on four wheels once a decade... I'm sorry, I meant every two decades. It's not like Ferrari builds crappy cars like Porsche!mclaren777 said:
Metalmurphy
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brotkasten said:
Funny, cause Porsche are the most reliable ones... by miles.
brotkasten
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Of course, it's German engineering after all. Strong, reliable, boring.Metalmurphy said:
brotkasten said:
Me and 10 of 10 my friends at the end would always opt for Porsche than Ferrari, or any other "supercar" to be honest.
You can be shortly missleaded by superficial emotions of mechovisual experimenting, but pure ratio always brings you back to eternal superform of the Truth.
soundscream
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If you can afford a Ferrari I dont think you would be that hurt by a repair bill.Metalmurphy said:
Here is the base of new Fanatec wheel.
Wheel-rim is just a showcase of Audi because it was Audi show.
Thomas quote:
++ VirtualR and GTPlanet++
Also, Thomas told me this in Saturday:
Count me highly interested.
> Xbox controller *could* hint multiplatform
> full new motor-housing
> new, more industrial and robust design
> will be interesting, very
Wheel-rim is just a showcase of Audi because it was Audi show.
Thomas quote:
++ VirtualR and GTPlanet++
Also, Thomas told me this in Saturday:
Count me highly interested.
> Xbox controller *could* hint multiplatform
> full new motor-housing
> new, more industrial and robust design
> will be interesting, very
Where do you see Forza in that picture ? I don't want to break any dreams but the Xbox 360 controller could have been used as a PC controller.
I just want it to be (much) cheaper than the Porsche wheels. I don't care if doesn't have the Porsche badges or the same alcantara found in the Porsche GT2. It could have Dacia badges for all I care as long as it's solid, multiplatform, cheap and has the expected features (FFB, 900°, etc...).
I just want it to be (much) cheaper than the Porsche wheels. I don't care if doesn't have the Porsche badges or the same alcantara found in the Porsche GT2. It could have Dacia badges for all I care as long as it's solid, multiplatform, cheap and has the expected features (FFB, 900°, etc...).
soundscream
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amar212 said:Here is the base of new Fanatec wheel.
SEXY
antiquegamer
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G Rom said:
I still don't understand what you guys have against Fanatec wheel, it's no more expensive than Logitech G27. It have better motor than the old Logitech one (I don't know about G27 as I never used it). It's $249.99, have pretty Porsche design (unless you detest all thing Porsche then may be you feel that it's ugly). The pedals set is $49.99 which you can opt to upgrade to the heavy duty one for a lot more. If you want shifter then it's additional $30.00, it's not the greatest shifter (H-shift) but it's not bad. So the whole thing will set you back $329.99.
For that you have a wireless FFB wheel fully compatible with Xbox 360, comes with independent adjustable setting right on the hardware so you can bypass often shitty software setting in game, it's compatible with PS3 (and looks nice too when it lit up in red), and also PC.
I do understand that they are small outfit and the distribution is not widespread and cost more for some but all things being equal I don't get all the whining and complaining about not having afordable wheel for 360.
brotkasten
Member
???antiquegamer said:
The Driving Force GT is $129 at Newegg. That's what I call an affordable wheel.
I have nothing against the Fanatec wheel, I very much would like one actually (I still think about that Road&Track competition from time to time >_<) so that I could play Forza 3 (and 4 this fall) and GT5 with a wheel. What I don't like is that they put unnecessary Porsche stuff that make the wheel pricier than it could be.
Also, the Xbox 360 does lack an affordable DFGT-like wheel. The Fanatec competes with the G27 which is clearly more hardcore.
Not really. Why do they have to use real expensive alcantara when there are cheaper materials that are absolutely fine ? They should just do two versions of the wheel, a cheapo Porsche-less one and a full fledged Porsche replica.
Also, the Xbox 360 does lack an affordable DFGT-like wheel. The Fanatec competes with the G27 which is clearly more hardcore.
amar212 said:
Not really. Why do they have to use real expensive alcantara when there are cheaper materials that are absolutely fine ? They should just do two versions of the wheel, a cheapo Porsche-less one and a full fledged Porsche replica.
G Rom said:
Two problems:
> Microsoft licensing
> HID force feedback
I really hate going in circles, but Logitech ceased their DriveFX production because the licensing was too heavy in actual profit-department and since wheel was pretty much a toy - same as X360 official wheel - because of real problems with force feedback representation, which didn't really gave them good reviews and failed in retail.
Same as Microsoft FF wheel.
Fanatec obviously decided to bite the bullet, went into higher quality and sacrificed mass-market affordability > but they had to do it, because in order to have any decent force feedback in HID-controller-protocols you have to have very strong main motor and two additional motors that takes care of rumbling.
Microsoft and their stupid policy towards licensing and lack of proper HID-support is the only one to blame that X360 have no real-deal mass-market wheel.
G Rom said:
Fanatec is too small company for that. In order to have mass-market product you need to have great reach and great distribution channels, maybe not in presence such as Logitech does, but somewhere in the middle.
If Thomas produced a cheap wheel he would only raise costs of freight, distribution, marketing and such while operating in the small profit margin. Not viable really if you are a small company.
Retail business is a tricky one, especially when you have a niche product aimed at very small percentage of userbase.
Yeah, I know that a DFGT-like is most likely out of the question on the Xbox 360, I was just pointing out to antiquegamer that this affordable price range didn't exist on the Xbox 360.
I do think there's room for the price to go down though. I don't expect the wheel to be 150, that would be ridiculous but something close to 300 for the whole package (wheel+pedals+shifter) would be much more acceptable. The stand-alone Porsche 911S was much less expensive than the GT2 and closer to the 200 mark at one point for example.
I know it won't happen though because the market will pay for a 300+ stand-alone wheel (just have to see the comment on Thomas' blog about what their next wheel should be) so I understand why they don't lower the price.
I do think there's room for the price to go down though. I don't expect the wheel to be 150, that would be ridiculous but something close to 300 for the whole package (wheel+pedals+shifter) would be much more acceptable. The stand-alone Porsche 911S was much less expensive than the GT2 and closer to the 200 mark at one point for example.
I know it won't happen though because the market will pay for a 300+ stand-alone wheel (just have to see the comment on Thomas' blog about what their next wheel should be) so I understand why they don't lower the price.
antiquegamer
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brotkasten said:
Well, if you want just simple wheel then yes I agree. But G-Rom want all the features and Fanatec is no more expensive than G27. For me it's affordable but we are probably looking at it from different perspective. It's something that I will used for years and years and I would rather have a full features wheel rather than buying DFGT and upgrade it later if I want clutch or 900 degree etc.
antiquegamer
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G Rom said:Yeah, I know that a DFGT-like is most likely out of the question on the Xbox 360, I was just pointing out to antiquegamer that this affordable price range didn't exist on the Xbox 360.
I do think there's room for the price to go down though. I don't expect the wheel to be 150, that would be ridiculous but something close to 300 for the whole package (wheel+pedals+shifter) would be much more acceptable. The stand-alone Porsche 911S was much less expensive than the GT2 and closer to the 200 mark at one point for example.
I know it won't happen though because the market will pay for a 300+ stand-alone wheel (just have to see the comment on Thomas' blog about what their next wheel should be) so I understand why they don't lower the price.
I think this is just a way for them to make the wheel more upscale and "worth" the asking price and only way for them to able to make wheel for such small market. I am sure Thomas doesn't make that much profit per wheel ...
*shrug* I like the Porsche stuff .. I think it looks pretty and way better looking than Logitech generic wheel.
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