I think the post I replied to was the issue many people have since ever: Forza is just not aiming for an authentic realistic look but favors stylized graphics. And this is not about power but intention.
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Forza Motorsport 7 E3 4K Trailer (XB1/PC)
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I think the post I replied to was the issue many people have since ever: Forza is just not aiming for an authentic realistic look but favors stylized graphics. And this is not about power but intention.
Oh snap the flappy paddles work. Always a little nitpick of mine with Forza. Sweet.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
They're saving the city circuits for PGR5 next year ;-)
I do somewhat agree, fwiw
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Photogrammetry is nothing but a buzzword for "we are modeling the terrain and putting photo textures on top of it". Which is how it has always been done.
Let's wait for the finished game to see what is/isn't included. Info is still very sparse at the moment, and the E3 demos might be months out of date or dumbed down for the show floor. I'd fucking LOVE it though if Turn 10 went balls-deep with simulation options and proper motorsport concessions, even if those were hidden in a 'hardcore' mode so as not to alienate the eight-year-olds and octogenarians. Dan just does not seem to give a single fuck about motorsport though, and never has.
This '30% GPU surplus' comment by John Wendl is interesting. I'll always take everything he says with a bucket of salt after his wink-wink-nudge-nudge spin doctor bullshittery during previous launches, but if this surplus is true then some wet-track tyre trails (and other eye candy) should be easily achievable. I've been freeze-framing the wet Nords B-roll footage on my 65" 4k TV to try and see behind the curtain, but the Wizards of OX don't seem to be pulling many deceptions. The only weird thing I noticed is the geometry around the front wheel arch of the blue Jag early on in the footage which looked oddly simplistic with sharp edges, but apart from that - wow.
Edit: actually, how about that? Forza Motorsport 7 |OT| The Wizards of OX
Andronicus
Banned
looks top notch
Christocolus
Member
Need gameplay footage of more tracks.
[From IGN's raw gameplay]
Damn...T10 ain't no slouch. This game looks so good.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
That does appear to be what they're hinting at.
You're wrong. Photogrammetry is not putting photo textures over a hand generated models. Photogrammetry is modeling the scene from overlapping photograps. You can use those photograhs as textures too over your automatic generated model and they, ofc, will fit perfectly. Photogrammetry in gaming is really new.
http://www.aerometrex.com.au/blog/?p=1052
http://www.theastronauts.com/2014/03/visual-revolution-vanishing-ethan-carter/
SolarMystic
Member
I thought the little details like spoilers shaking and stuff inside the cockpit rattling was a nice little touch. Very immersive.
More than a touch over done though, but I guess they are going for a more boombastic, rather than realistic, feel.
Dictator93
Member
There are workflow differences in terms of how albedo textures are made and whether you use object scanning. It is not just photosourced textures.
eso76
Member
i would guess this was captured with HDR settings on, hence the very washed out look that honestly doesn't look bad though.
-hadouken
Member
I love the look of that desert track. Striking!
Absolutely hated this in NFS Shift, wing mirrors, interior mirrors, windscreen wipers flapping around is just stupid.. very few cars exhibit this, usually due to faulty design etc.. if my car's wipers started flapping around above 80MPH I'd be taking it back and complaining..
Not that this is totally equivocal, but
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb4Jlca7oCU
Some cars around Le Mans with amazingly stable wipers..
[edit] Oh no.... some more of the gameplay videos showing it on other cars, no, just no.. get that unrealistic annoyance out of here.. Or give us the option to turn it off, but this is T10, options are for pussies..
drugstore_cowboy
Member
I can see with some further optimization that any overheads will be geared toward dynamic time of day for F8 and two years down the line few people caring that the Xbox One version takes a noticeable hit resolution or frame rate to accommodate it.
So we finally have a gameplay video up here:
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_e3_forza_7_gameplay-19247_en.html
This has been pretty much a nightmare to get this video to look as close to the game as possible. The file we captured was from a console with HDR enabled (no way to disable it) so our usual encoding tool chain would lead to full whites being grey (I think IGN had this issue). We spent a lot of time trying various solutions and finally found one that we think is quite close to what the game looks like. We have no way to be sure that we did not bust the gamma though, so if you think the game looks weird it might be because of us.
I'll have 2 more videos up in a few hours.
Edit: Just saw the IGN video above, yeah that's exactly what it looked like for us. No way we would have put up a video looking like this!
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_e3_forza_7_gameplay-19247_en.html
This has been pretty much a nightmare to get this video to look as close to the game as possible. The file we captured was from a console with HDR enabled (no way to disable it) so our usual encoding tool chain would lead to full whites being grey (I think IGN had this issue). We spent a lot of time trying various solutions and finally found one that we think is quite close to what the game looks like. We have no way to be sure that we did not bust the gamma though, so if you think the game looks weird it might be because of us.
I'll have 2 more videos up in a few hours.
Edit: Just saw the IGN video above, yeah that's exactly what it looked like for us. No way we would have put up a video looking like this!
Awesome thanks.
https://youtu.be/P7UJYMS5rWE?t=31m47s
Bill Giese said there will be "race length tools" in career mode. About time
Bill Giese said there will be "race length tools" in career mode. About time
Very nice, thanks Blim.
Small thing but I think the way the driver is standing there flapping her arms around like an idling Xbox Avatar speaks volumes about the direction that FM7 is following. I'd prefer to see her consulting with a race engineer or checking the tyres or something. That animation screams "Yo yo yo, let's go and piss about!" rather than a pilot carefully composing themselves prior to a race. I half expected her to start breakdancing at one point.
GHG
Gold Member
- New campaign mode called the "Forza Drivers a Cup" geared towards authentic Motorsport
- Series points scoring
- Race length tools
- The campaign can be tailored to however you see fit
- Trophies and other rewards
- Real time weather systems with dynamic skies and cloud shadows
This is all good stuff. About damn time.
Just finished uploading all the videos. We might do full length videos in a few days if people want to see them.
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_e3_forza_7_gameplay-19247_en.html
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_e3_forza_7_gameplay-19247_en.html
Fox Mulder
Member
Horizon 3 was the worst campaign in the series for me.
XP championships are awful online too because you can win every event but lose to someone drifting in the back.
Lol, truck racing is obviously designed to wean people away from chase cam.
And quite right too.
Lmao chase cam in the trucks does look hilarious.
So glad to see Mugello is back, used to have loads of fun blasting around there in Forza 2, 3 and 4. Do we have a full list of confirmed environments yet?
Edit: The only thing I'm not liking so far in Forza 7 is the amount of movement going on with the wipers. There is physically no way they move around that much, especially at low speeds.
Edit: The only thing I'm not liking so far in Forza 7 is the amount of movement going on with the wipers. There is physically no way they move around that much, especially at low speeds.
I'm half-surprised that your own truck isn't ghosted out in chase cam. It looks pretty much useless in its current form.
GHG
Gold Member
Yep. Still waiting to hear about that, and also how grid placement works in the championships throughout the series if there isn't any qualifying.
Fox Mulder
Member
Assholes that use these online aren't interested in seeing anyways.
Diablohead
Member
"The campaign can be tailored to however you see fit"
So most people will most likely see 2 lap easy mode races? sometimes allowing freedom in how something works makes it worse, not better.
I just hope that now you get points for races instead of having to always place top 3.
So most people will most likely see 2 lap easy mode races? sometimes allowing freedom in how something works makes it worse, not better.
I just hope that now you get points for races instead of having to always place top 3.
Damn. Thanks for the additional work.
Yes. No idea about qualifying. T10 Haven't confirmed or denied it yet
Dash Cam is confirmed for the game