So ... what lies are we spreading, exactly?
I don't know about you guys, but I have no problem being wretched scum.
There are no real reporters in gaming journalism, just a bunch of writers that regurgitate press releases and leaked information, as well as the occasional sensationalist drama-mongering comment by a gaming industry member in order to get site hits. Then these 'journalists' go on to lick PSPs, dance with copies of Skyrim, and perhaps even go on to work in the gaming industry itself--even if it is just being featured in Mass Effect 3.
He won't get told by pimply faced nerds on gaming websites! Why he's a journalist. He has standards!I honestly can't believe he's let it get this far... What's the big deal about saying "I was wrong, it won't happen again, I'm sorry"? It was a obvious piling on mistake on all these websites' part, no foul in admitting you made a mistake and apologizing, instead of acting like an idiot.
If you must have names then amongst a sea of vitriol, posts by both yourself and wanderingwind come across as particularly hateful.
If you consider saying someone "fails as a man" as mild then we'll agree to disagree but its clear that I'm not alone in thinking you've gone completely over the top.
Like I said, the journalist in question could have handled things better but the response has been absolutely hyperbolic and you've been leading the charge.
He won't get told by pimply faced nerds on gaming websites! Why he's a journalist. He has standards!
Credited+copy-pasted 3rd party info or not, the point is that it's the same information on pretty much all gaming sites -- so, what are the journalists/paid employees of these magazines/sites/articles/blogs/whatever actually doing?
Some of them do feature interesting articles, information on unknown games/developers/etc, of course. But I think many gamers want news on many games, not just the 3-4 biggest upcoming games from various major studios. (Perhaps a bit extreme, but it's just an example. )
Once again, a person *doesn't contact play.com*. Why is that? They're ostensibly the source! They can tell you what has been on their servers! They can probably also tell you how long the Monster Hunter 3 listing has been there.
Every journalist seems to have investigated the *rumour* and not verified the *source*. Surely, but surely, that *has* to be the first step?
It is. Invites aren't currently open right now. Also, 'sup fellow Yetis.
So ... what lies are we spreading, exactly?
And apparently there wan't even a need to go far..or even call. On the same site that was used mostly as the source (Eurogamer) a person claiming to be an employee at play.com said it too:THIS! I can't believe no one actually did the do diligence to contact Play.com? What the hell? They are the supposed source.
It's only March, but between this guy and the avenger controller guy we already have 2 contenders for videogame related fail of the year.
Mine is a secretUgh, dumb baby yetis.
It's kind of weird seeing people from such a small forum posting here. I guess it's not unexpected, considering the audiences of this forum and LL, but still.
i kind of want to know your usernames so i can harass you...on-site ;P
That's a fair cop, although I would argue that your annoyance over lack of link-backs and such is more about professionalism than journalistic integrity. If a story like this breaks, their responsibility to their readers is to call Sony, not you. (Though you would be an important person to talk to in order to get a feel for how solid a lead it is; I'm not sure who'd go to press with a link to a "little insignificant blog", but wasn't your site an Advanced Media site, or are you talking about a different blog? AMN wasn't insignificant.)
By the way ... funny you should bring up Warhawk because I know a bit about that story's development from way back when. The rumor was out there for a while (let me guess: you had a source who gave you some big love about everything that Incog was up to?) so it could be that nobody could substantiate it and were just waiting for somebody anybody to break it so they could run with the pieces they had. Or could even be that they had an inside source but they were too close and knew that running it could get them in trouble, so instead they were bargaining with Sony to run the exclusive until you broke it on the sly. Still rude that they didn't cite you, but it's not necessarily a matter of poor journalistic integrity.
Frank Anderson has apparently never been to GameFAQs.
He is probably a banned bitter gaffer
I honestly can't believe he's let it get this far... What's the big deal about saying "I was wrong, it won't happen again, I'm sorry"? It was a obvious piling on mistake on all these websites' part, no foul in admitting you made a mistake and apologizing, instead of acting like an idiot.
By all accounts he loves being the center of attention. At this point I have to believe he's doing this on purpose.
Heh, if you want to talk about the true business and issues of videogame news delivery, you might want to start a different thread...
But seriously, like you said, there's good stuff out there, and then there's the standard filler. It depends on the site, but with the way internet news has gone away from the tenants of journalism (by vast popular "vote-by-click" of the readership) combined with the clamming up of game makers thanks to PR and embargoes and binding contracts, the business of generating news is but a small part of most website's output. They have news, and it traffics like crazy, but putting a dedicated reporter on the beat generally won't yield better results, and following every story to try to reach its 'official' end ("CONFIRMED! Company Z said that it is indeed working on Project X") will 85 times out of 100 get you nothing.
That's shitty to think that it's a waste of time to do what'd be considered "journalism", but journalism is just a small part of the work that goes into making most gaming sites. The guy who broke the story is doing the work of a journalist, and chances are that's the only journalism he did that day; the rest of the day, he probably did the same kind of shitty content aggregation that we're talking about here.
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it's nice to not see Giant Bomb on that list of sites
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it's nice to not see Giant Bomb on that list of sites
By all accounts he loves being the center of attention. At this point I have to believe he's doing this on purpose.
And also by the way, I can guarantee that nobody here hammering about the quality of fact-checking actually reached out to any one of these websites with an email asking for a retraction or confirmation update. Sure, there are a couple comments linking back to this thread, but most of them are way late into the activity and almost all of them are fuck-you-I'm-so-smart-because-I-found-this-GAF-post comments, nobody's actually calling for any action. "But I'm not getting paid to report news, why's that my problem?" Because if you're talking about crowd-sourcing the solution, that includes every step of the process. If GAF is going to be the ultimate news source, it has got to be responsible for the same actions and credibility checks that it is demanding from other sources.
i'm sure how you get to 300+ posts without understanding that GAF isn't anything. it's GAF. it's a messageboard. it's a collection of equally like and unlike minded people who's loyalties shift from thread to thread.If GAF is going to be the ultimate news source, it has got to be responsible for the same actions and credibility checks that it is demanding from other sources.
you CAN NOT just toss the bolded aside to bolster what you're saying here. Your first sentence doesn't imply the second. Why does it have to be responsible? Why does it have to include every step of the process?"But I'm not getting paid to report news, why's that my problem?" Because if you're talking about crowd-sourcing the solution, that includes every step of the process. If GAF is going to be the ultimate news source, it has got to be responsible for the same actions and credibility checks that it is demanding from other sources.
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...holy fuck, buddy. If your point in this is to change the ills you see in journalism, get out of your own goddamned way!
Contribute to the solution, not the problem.
Hey Jason's mother, he came into the thread to tell everyone GAF was wrong and he was right. Save the "poor him" BS.But think of it from his perspective: he BELIEVES that he had a solid lead and that not enough evidence has been put forward to prove him wrong. Now, lots of us on this thread believe there's plenty of evidence to deny (particularly now that somebody connected Play has chimed in, although taking that at its word isn't necessarily any better than taking the 4CHAN source as truth, nobody know who any of these people are involved in this story.) So he thinks he did due dilligence in contacting Sony about a story he sourced from another network, and he further did the responsible thing in writing a correction into his article. From his perspective, he did the right thing. And for it, he got shit on, he got demands for an even greater "mea culpa", he was dragged into a flame war over his qualifications as "a man", and he was made the greatest asshole example of everything that's wrong with gaming journalism.
And by the way, he was the ONLY person who actually responded to this thread. Every other journalist knew to stay the hell away from this hornet's nest and quietly address their news privately.
And also by the way, I can guarantee that nobody here hammering about the quality of fact-checking actually reached out to any one of these websites with an email asking for a retraction or confirmation update. Sure, there are a couple comments linking back to this thread, but most of them are way late into the activity and almost all of them are fuck-you-I'm-so-smart-because-I-found-this-GAF-post comments, nobody's actually calling for any action. "But I'm not getting paid to report news, why's that my problem?" Because if you're talking about crowd-sourcing the solution, that includes every step of the process. If GAF is going to be the ultimate news source, it has got to be responsible for the same actions and credibility checks that it is demanding from other sources.
But think of it from his perspective: he BELIEVES that he had a solid lead and that not enough evidence has been put forward to prove him wrong. Now, lots of us on this thread believe there's plenty of evidence to deny (particularly now that somebody connected Play has chimed in, although taking that at its word isn't necessarily any better than taking the 4CHAN source as truth, nobody know who any of these people are involved in this story.) So he thinks he did due dilligence in contacting Sony about a story he sourced from another network, and he further did the responsible thing in writing a correction into his article. From his perspective, he did the right thing. And for it, he got shit on, he got demands for an even greater "mea culpa", he was dragged into a flame war over his qualifications as "a man", and he was made the greatest asshole example of everything that's wrong with gaming journalism.
And by the way, he was the ONLY person who actually responded to this thread. Every other journalist knew to stay the hell away from this hornet's nest and quietly address their news privately.
And also by the way, I can guarantee that nobody here hammering about the quality of fact-checking actually reached out to any one of these websites with an email asking for a retraction or confirmation update. Sure, there are a couple comments linking back to this thread, but most of them are way late into the activity and almost all of them are fuck-you-I'm-so-smart-because-I-found-this-GAF-post comments, nobody's actually calling for any action. "But I'm not getting paid to report news, why's that my problem?" Because if you're talking about crowd-sourcing the solution, that includes every step of the process. If GAF is going to be the ultimate news source, it has got to be responsible for the same actions and credibility checks that it is demanding from other sources.
I can do his job, and better. In fact, I know of a few people IRL that can, and don't have degrees in the field.
Who do I contact? Instead of circling the wagons, those who claim to be journalists should be shying away from this fellow. How terribly unprofessional.
Nowadays, developers can speak directly to their fans on blogs, or forums, etc, but very few developers actually do - hopefully, though, in a few years, developers/people that work on the games will speak directly and often (As in, much more often than once or twice per month atleast. ) to fans.
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They (Game journalists/game sites or magazines.) could probably find tons of interesting indie stuff/game-related projects on the net, like in forums and in other languages (They'd have to translate that of course.).
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it's nice to not see Giant Bomb on that list of sites