Gears 5 Is 'Grounded in Diversity' Says Director as Players Praise LGBT, Disability Representation

mckmas8808

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But how they overcome the discrimination is dependent on the content of their character, so DeepEnigma’s point still stands.
It can be both. A person in the 1950s could have been proud of their Jewish heritage and what that means to them. And also overcome the discrimination that they faced due to the content of their character. No reason why we have to make it one or the other.
 

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I didn't know a straight pride flag even existed until yesterday lol. Plus how can a gay pride flag be political? There's no politics in that flag.
Gay pride flag may not have started with political intentions, but there definitely is now. It's used constantly as virtue signalling.

End of the day, I think most normal people don't care that it exists, it's just odd that it's their in the game more specifically because the game isn't held up by the same politics and problems that our society has, given that it's not even on Earth. It's just weird that it's their and comes off as virtue signalling and disingenuous.

I mean, Terminator and Dave Batista aren't in the gears universe either and I don't see too many people complaining, so what the hell do I know?!

It is what it is, if people don't want to buy a great game because of it being in their, then they won't. But I'd wager most people will be of the opinion that they'll see it, not care, and go on playing Gears.
 
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It can be both. A person in the 1950s could have been proud of their Jewish heritage and what that means to them. And also overcome the discrimination that they faced due to the content of their character. No reason why we have to make it one or the other.
But they are proud of their Jewish heritage because of the their tradition of overcoming hardships which again, is related to the content of character.

Being proud of being Jewish because you are Jewish is an extremely empty and circular form of pride.
 

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Not trying to be nitpicky but this statement falls apart as it would be ousted as a double standard for something like "white power."
And to be fair to that response, unfortunately, the term "white power" actually was used as a tool to crush other races. But luckily there's no such thing as just "white" people per se. Because all white people have a heritage to someplace that their forefathers called home. And I'm assuming that's where white people can be proud of. Those traditions should still matter in my opinion.

But they are proud of their Jewish heritage because of the their tradition of overcoming hardships which again, is related to the content of character.

Being proud of being Jewish because you are Jewish is an extremely empty and circular form of pride.
I don't think anybody is proud of being jewish, black, Cuban, gay, etc just for the pure fact that they are those things. I know when we black people say "I'm black and I'm proud" we are thinking of our cultural traditions (food, music, artwork) that we are proud of. We pride our natural hair and the way it looks when we grow dreadlocks or when we braid our hair. We love the color of our skin (aesthetically) and the shape of our nose.

I'm assuming (because I'm not those other things I listed) that those other people have similar things that they are proud of and that's fine. White people can have many of those same things to be proud of. No reason why they are exempt in this.
 

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Going to play devil’s advocate but how would some people feel if the game added Christian flags? Or Islamic flags? Or a flag with the Star of David.

I agree with those that games are about escapism. They are entertainment. We want to play them to have a good time and forget about all the problems in the world for just a little bit. If I go into a game that says it’s political and pulls from real world, that’s cool. If I go into a game about people fighting creatures from underground on some alien world I’m not exactly expecting stuff like pride flags or religious flags to be in it. It takes me out.

I mean you don’t go into a Transformers movie expecting to see the autobots and decepticons displaying their ethnic, gender, or religious views on flags mounted on the car forms. It’d be ludicrous. If I go see Saving Private Ryan then I’m expecting that. If it fits the narrative then go for it but don’t do it just because.

Bottom line is I’m not stupid, I know what your are doing. So keep that shit out of my games that have nothing to do with real world events.
 

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It's crazy to see rod sell out. I remember an interview where he got triggered because cliff named the tank thing from gears 1 the armadillo, Because armadillos dont exist in the gears universe.
That is pretty hilarious in context.
 

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And to be fair to that response, unfortunately, the term "white power" actually was used as a tool to crush other races. But luckily there's no such thing as just "white" people per se. Because all white people have a heritage to someplace that their forefathers called home. And I'm assuming that's where white people can be proud of. Those traditions should still matter in my opinion.
The double standard remains and is just being justified from what I am seeing since the principal you have brought up can be applied to every race. For example: I am Latino and Puerto Rican. It is perfectly acceptable for me to claim both Latino power and Puerto Rican power(both exist and the latter is an amazing salsa band as well). A white person can be Polish but that is all that society wants to claim is acceptable. Bonus: This Polish person can have 0 ties with American culture but Americanism gets applied to them as well because they are white. This is something I see when I travel to different countries and these things mostly get applied by Americans.
 

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The double standard remains and is just being justified from what I am seeing since the principal you have brought up can be applied to every race. For example: I am Latino and Puerto Rican. It is perfectly acceptable for me to claim both Latino power and Puerto Rican power(both exist and the latter is an amazing salsa band as well). A white person can be Polish but that is all that society wants to claim is acceptable. Bonus: This Polish person can have 0 ties with American culture but Americanism gets applied to them as well because they are white. This is something I see when I travel to different countries and these things mostly get applied by Americans.
Yeah, there is a double standard to some degree in America. But that's 100% due to American history. That stuff can't just be erased just to make people feel better.


Going to play devil’s advocate but how would some people feel if the game added Christian flags? Or Islamic flags? Or a flag with the Star of David.

I agree with those that games are about escapism. They are entertainment. We want to play them to have a good time and forget about all the problems in the world for just a little bit. If I go into a game that says it’s political and pulls from real world, that’s cool. If I go into a game about people fighting creatures from underground on some alien world I’m not exactly expecting stuff like pride flags or religious flags to be in it. It takes me out.

I mean you don’t go into a Transformers movie expecting to see the autobots and decepticons displaying their ethnic, gender, or religious views on flags mounted on the car forms. It’d be ludicrous. If I go see Saving Private Ryan then I’m expecting that. If it fits the narrative then go for it but don’t do it just because.

Bottom line is I’m not stupid, I know what your are doing. So keep that shit out of my games that have nothing to do with real world events.
The bolded kinda shows your weak spot on the issue though. Flags based on religion should be 100% fine. Why shouldn't they exist in those game's multiplayer?
 

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Yeah, there is a double standard to some degree in America. But that's 100% due to American history. That stuff can't just be erased just to make people feel better.




The bolded kinda shows your weak spot on the issue though. Flags based on religion should be 100% fine. Why shouldn't they exist in those game's multiplayer?
For fucks sake give it a rest already dude.
 
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These are flags that just have striped line colors and cost 100 scrap to construct. You never seen see the banners in-game except for in your character customization and the pre- and post-match screens. All this does is screams marketing to me. I have 160 scrap after playing for almost all of last night and a little bit today. At least they’re not going all-in on the pandering and charging actual store-bought iron for them like the world flags. Those are going for 700 iron or $7 USD, sheesh.

For comparison the cheapest constructible banner is 40 scrap. By making these 19 Pride banners 100 scrap, they knew exactly what they were doing. Marketing is amazing.
 
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