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Giant Bomb: PS4.5 / PS4K is codenamed NEO, more info
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Marty Chinn
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If you think the PS4 is going to outsell the PS2....
Demanufacture
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I created a graphic that summarizes what features I'd be okay with in the PS4K/4.5/NEO, and what I'd be upset about, given I got my PS4 a mere 5 months ago:
As you can see, I think where I draw the line is at exclusive games and content. The aesthetic stuff I was never too bothered by in the first place, so if it's even better on PS4K? Fine. I'm curious if others agree.
Thanks Paulogy!
KennyLinder
Member
No proof? Except the sources.
This reminds me of the time where people didn't believe (or didn't want to believe, more like) the leaks about Microsofts original plans for the Xbox One.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
I didnt say it was. My point is that they arent having trouble selling them so why mess with a successful buisness model when so many people hate this?
Daffy Duck
Member
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Nah it's more likely Sony giving more developers devkits and documentation to actually start developing for the thing.
Yeah anonymous sources sure are a proof. Especially when they don't all have the same story to tell.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I created a graphic that summarizes what features I'd be okay with in the PS4K/4.5/NEO, and what I'd be upset about, given I got my PS4 a mere 5 months ago:
As you can see, I think where I draw the line is at exclusive games and content. The aesthetic stuff I was never too bothered by in the first place, so if it's even better on PS4K? Fine. I'm curious if others agree.
Which is basically what Sony supposedly has outlined to the developers. So if that is anything to go by, we will be in good shape. I am with you as well on that graphic.
So good.
Marty Chinn
Member
You stole that.
Daffy Duck
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Marty Chinn
Member
Cracked me up too =)
KennyLinder
Member
So, you think everyone is making the entire thing up?
TylerDurden4321
Member
Why is Sony making a NEO? Not because the PS4 graphics are preventing people from buying a console, but because they a) want to keep charging $400, b) they want to push PSVR and this will lower the price, c) they want to push 4K TVs.
The NEO specs are good for PSVR which needs ~2x the power. 4K needs 4x the power. You can't run everything in 4k natively, but you can run some parts in 4K and other in lower resolutions. NX Gamer has done an interesting video of how we should think of resolution, power and IQ: https://youtu.be/mkQZRwXZJpI
You can think of Quantum Break however you like, maybe it was an extreme case, but not processing all aspects of an image in full resolution isn't anything new, KZ: Shadow Fall has done it somewhat heavily, Halo 5 was an interesting case and a ton of other AAA games do it to some degree. We will see more of this in the future.
Audioboxer
Member
It's only really been done when titles can't hit a full native HD output. 1080p is still a native HD output, and while 4K is as well, being native is what is key. Meaning 1080p is fine, and some basic OS upscaling to 4K is all that is needed, not complex algorithms that aid titles that are 720/900p native.
Hockeymac18
Member
PS4 users getting the downgrade to "working class graphics"...
qa_engineer
Member
working man's graphics. cannot compute.
TylerDurden4321
Member
Wanna take a bet that the next Gran Turismo will have a 4K mode that is not just upscaling?
crazygambit
Member
I'm not sure what you think this proves, plus I'm pretty sure that's only possibly true if you take into account the period since launch (The PS2 had major shortages). If you look at monthly sales now vs the same relative time on the life of the PS2 I'm pretty sure the PS4 is not selling faster.
In any case sales only point at demand at a certain price. If we were to lower the Xbone price to $50 right now, it'd become the best selling console in human history. That has no relation to how happy or not current Xbone customers are with their console.
Sony thinks there's a market to a slight revision that packs a little more punch. Instead of a slim PS4 that performs exactly the same, now you get a bit more oomph for a little bit more money.
I tend to agree. We'll see who's right though.
DAMN!!!
Audioboxer
Member
Possibly, but Kaz and the PD are nutters who take eons to get stuff out ~ Meaning they are usually the exception to the norm. Going into details with a magnifying glass and trying to always push limits technically (and still not getting it perfect).
The other 95% of the developers/publishers out there will be happy getting to 1080p, locking a decently high framerate and allowing upscaling to take effect. Native 4K on anything but indie titles isn't happening on these rumoured specs.
IbizaPocholo
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I'm not very happy with the hardware upgrade.The cpu is the same and the gpu upgrade i expected a lot more.
But i'm ready for the purchase.
But i'm ready for the purchase.
You know, I don't even consider the current PS4 shit now, since I understand that the PSVR will most likely need the extra power. I'm fine with that.
I'm a bit worried now on the devs delivering a shit "port" (would they need to do a separate version of the games? This is confusing) like the late PS3-early PS4 games.
I know the leak says that Sony won't allow PS4K exclusives or later console features, but, without trying to be disrespectful, I don't fully trust the devs with having to do both versions of a game. :/
I'm a bit worried now on the devs delivering a shit "port" (would they need to do a separate version of the games? This is confusing) like the late PS3-early PS4 games.
I know the leak says that Sony won't allow PS4K exclusives or later console features, but, without trying to be disrespectful, I don't fully trust the devs with having to do both versions of a game. :/
WeAreStarStuff
Member
I don't understand how anyone can be upset with the GPU; it is going from 1.8 TF -> 4.2TF in a $399 box.
Audioboxer
Member
Because those numbers don't really mean anything to most. The results and proof will, barring completely unreasonable expectations of high end PC GPUs cooled inside a small box.
Yeah like 3 people on Gaf? You realize that one/two/three Cod Youtube Video from Ali A has like 10m views in a couple of days from Ps4/Xbox One users? Gaf is a minority it means nothing what people here are saying about leaving Console space since many more will joinRemember Kinect before launch on 360? Major success right? What about Wii? Yeah
If you want to leave, do it.
I´m pretty happy Console gaming is moving and try to capture a bigger audience from people who care about Specs and stuff and will remain cheap and affordable for the majority of the mass market (249/299e).
PS4K is probably going to be a success story, because people love to buy slightly better stuff that they don't need to buy; it's not a necessarily good thing for the consumer as their products get obsolete faster but it works for the companies that do spew out these. But I'm in the same boat with people that's going to abandon consoles, I'd like to note.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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I'm super eager to see the shell now. Will it be a slim model or what?
MasterOfNone
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LookAtMeGo
Member
At least cross gen games with PS5 wont be so garbage for those who have a PS4.5.
TylerDurden4321
Member
I agree, but I think Sony will motivate 1st party developers to make their games look better than just OS upscaling. They won't be 4K native and it won't be a 60/30fps thing, so I'm betting on some mixed resolution magic and I picked Gran Turismo because PD is always the studio Sony is picking for this kind of tech-demo to push new tech things (see "Gran Turismo HD" for 1080i(?) support, then hooking 4 PS3 together to get GT5
rologue in 4K and GT5 had to push 3D).I think it's the Slim which may have some minor, fairly insignificant HW refresh. The rest is just noise.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Unless the PS4K is a huge flop the PS5 will just be an updated PS4K. Crossgen games won't exist because there will be no generations.
They are just answering what Microsoft is doing too as well as responding supposedly to Nintendo is doing with its new NX hardware specs...
Neff
Member
You should probably read a NX thread
that way lay madness.
But first Neo saves Trinity
for the sequel
-ImaginaryInsider
Member
The nature of how the information leaks often means you have to read between the lines.
"It has double the GPU performance"
*potential for varying human interpretation*
"PS4k has two GPUs!"
This is about as a legitimate of a leak as you could hope for, and is similar to other leaks going back all they way to Xbox 360 Xenon/Xenos leaks, all of which were "mostly" correct except for a detail here or there.
Lol denial is a bitch.
LordOfChaos
Member
Bloodborne 2; Frame stutter now at 60fps!
(I love the game, really, but the frame pacing not being fixed by now is nutty)
So this will be the 4th or 5th console hardware to hit the market since Pachter claimed in 2009 that there would be no more console hardware.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/90443-Pachter-This-Is-The-Final-Generation
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/90443-Pachter-This-Is-The-Final-Generation
What do you mean by this? PC games go through cert, or at least they did back in 2008/2009. Are you saying that PC games don't go through cert? If you are, that's incorrect unless things have changed since then. The process was definitely different than it was on consoles, but it did exist. Source: me, working on PC games in EA cert back in 2008/2009.
So you expected a PS5?
Or you know, not necessarily buying random leaks and hearsays. especially when they don't really make sense and keep changing despite always presumably being backed up by multiple sources.
It's easy to claim stuff without showing any proof for it and keeping the "oh well, plans have changed" wildcard up your sleeve. But I guess we'll see.
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