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[spyshagg]

Has or does anyone here use a reference card for gaming? I know there are obvious benefits from a cooling perspective for custom cards, but if you're not planning on OCing, are there other significant benefits for custom cards?

The FE is very stripped down on their power regulators (missing power fases, missing mosfets... Cost reduction effectively, and the reviews show it - throttling due to power delivery).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_2_iCCesxI


I would wait for custom PCB's, which should also come with proper aftermarket coolers.

 

[KingV]

no reason for the same product to cost mroe tho, other than gouging.

Well, $1 US is worth about $1.39 AUD.

Take a $699 USD founders edition 1080, adjusted for Tge exchange rate and 10% VAT is like $1,068 Australian dollars. So it's price gouging, but not as bad as it seems (also not sure if there are customs on this stuff).

EDIT: Well, I guess the VAT could be outside of the price. Not really exactly sure how it works there.

 

[MuchoMalo]

The 1080 is $1200, there's no way we're getting a $550 1070.

lol what

I know the AUD is weak, but... shit.

 

[Calmine]

So this might be worth getting. I've got a 980 atm and this looks insanely good value for the performance.

 

[m_shortpants]

Hmm..maybe I can sell my 970 for 150-200 and get a 1070. Not sure what prices are right now though.

 

[ZOONAMI]

That is simply beastly for $379.

$450.

 

[PensOwl]

Everyone's saying that there's no way the 1070 will be $380. If so, what does that number actually refer to? Why did nvidia put it up during the conference?

 

[Bjoern the Smexy]

Guess I'm gonna get a GTX 1070 then.

 

[ZOONAMI]

Everyone's saying that there's no way the 1070 will be $380. If so, what does that number actually refer to? Why did nvidia put it up during the conference?

It's a fake msrp for a card that did not exist at the time of the reveal. The only card nvidia releasing is the $450 reference card, and the board partners will also be charging $450 for the reference card. Premium after market cooling and pcbs will cost roughly the same, or more, as has always been the case. You may see a cheap plastic blower cooler from an aib at $379, but that's about it. It's a shady marketing tactic to get people to sell their old cards thinking the price is really cheaper than it actually is, and then they will just bite the bullet and pay $450+ for a 1070 or $699+ for a 1080. That's my opinion on it. Eventually there will be a price drop but who knows when.

 

[mrklaw]

so a $379 card should be no more than £349 allowing for exchange rate/sales tax etc - based on Apple selling the iphone SE at $399/£359. the $449 founders edition would be around £399. That is quite a jump over the current price of 970s, and is in clear 980 territory.

So while better value than the 1080, it still isn't anywhere near the value of the 970. I just sold my 970 so that helps absorb some of the cost, but I hope to be able to get something like an MSI twin frozr or EVGA overclockable/quiet cooler for £399 or less. And hopefully not too long to wait as I'm running on integrated graphics now :/

 

[The silent protagonist]

Looks tempting but, I wonder if should get the 1080 now or wait for a Ti version.

 

[mephixto]

It's a fake msrp for a card that did not exist at the time of the reveal. The only card nvidia releasing is the $450 reference card, and the board partners will also be charging $450 for the reference card. Premium after market cooling and pcbs will cost roughly the same, or more, as has always been the case. You may see a cheap plastic blower cooler from an aib at $379, but that's about it. It's a shady marketing tactic to get people to sell their old cards thinking the price is really cheaper than it actually is, and then they will just bite the bullet and pay $450+ for a 1070 or $699+ for a 1080. That's my opinion on it. Eventually there will be a price drop but who knows when.

AIB cards cost a little bit more but rarely +$100. I remeber getting my 970 G1 at $349 or $359 (970 MSRP was $ 329)

 

[jose1]

I wonder how it will do OC'ed. It will probably get within ~10-15% of the 1080...Good enough for me!

 

[Deadbeat]

Sure, but people in Australia also make more. The average wage is 77,000/year and median is 57,000

The value of their dollar should be the determining factor of prices. Not this 'spider tax'.

 

[DeepEnigma]

That is a very tempting card.

 

[Seeing Sound]

I was thinking of getting a used 980 ti off of craigslist but now it look like I'll wait out til the non founders edition are available for the 1070 or maybe even the 1080.

 

[wheeplash]

It's time to upgrade.

 

[nubbe]

AIB cards cost a little bit more but rarely +$100. I remeber getting my 970 G1 at $349 or $359 (970 MSRP was $ 329)

unless it a closed cooling system, a fan should not cost more than ~$30

 

[MagicWithEarvin]

This shall be my go-to card for 1440p/60fps. Can't wait to upgrade this 770 4GB of mine.

 

[Knurek]

Everyone's saying that there's no way the 1070 will be $380. If so, what does that number actually refer to?

It's the 'price Nvidia thinks AIBs can sell their versions for if they hate money'

Why did nvidia put it up during the conference?

Marketing.

 

[Matrix XII]

These are going to be hard to get our hands on, aren't they?

 

[PensOwl]

Well that sucks, especially considering the price the 970 launched at

 

[akileese]

$450.

It's still pretty nice for $450 as well to be fair. That's about the used rate of a 980TI right now. It's not AS nice but still nice.

 

[kaskade]

I was trying to look up pricing on the 970 for reference. According to wiki the MSRP is 329. I used EVGA as a reference and their most basic cooler base clock was at that MSRP. Anything clocked a little higher added a bit to the cost. I'm going to guess we will see the cards at like 400.

 

[MuchoMalo]

It's the 'price Nvidia thinks AIBs can sell their versions for if they hate money'



Marketing.

Do you seriously think that selling it for $450-550 won't hurt sales to the point that they'll make less money overall? They have to get in some good cards under $400, since that's pretty much the line between mainstream and enthusiast. Most people willing to spend over $450 on a card will be willing to spend $600-700 as well, meaning that it would be a dead card after the initial rush. AIBs only selling for above the Founder's Edition price are the ones who hate money, and they'll be punished for it swiftly.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Nice results for the GTX 1070, think I will be picking one of these up.

As I only game at 1080p on a 40" TV a GTX 1080 will be overkill so that will save me money, also I'm not paying the premium for the Founders Edition, so hopefully the 3rd Party cards will be reasonably priced.

I'm expecting the 1080's to be in the £400-£500 range, so I'm hoping the 1070 will be in the £250-£350 range, which for that amount of power, will be very good value.

You'r e having a laugh with those prices ain't you? No way you're going to be picking up a 1080 for £400 or 1070 for £250 in the UK.

£550 for 1080 and £400 for 1070 average prices I reckon.

 

[Lonely1]

How good is this card expected to overclock?

 

[Protann]

Gonna be jumping in to building a PC soon, and am looking at getting a 1070. Are they going to be out of stock and hard to find online for a while after it's released?

 

[Trace]

Gonna be jumping in to building a PC soon, and am looking at getting a 1070. Are they going to be out of stock and hard to find online for a while after it's released?

Yep.

 

[Protann]

Yep.

As I expected. How long do you think it will take before I'll be able to purchase one without getting lucky?

 

[Knurek]

Do you seriously think that selling it for $450-550 won't hurt sales to the point that they'll make less money overall? They have to get in some good cards under $400, since that's pretty much the line between mainstream and enthusiast. Most people willing to spend over $450 on a card will be willing to spend $600-700 as well, meaning that it would be a dead card after the initial rush. AIBs only selling for above the Founder's Edition price are the ones who hate money, and they'll be punished for it swiftly.

While I don't doubt both 1070 and 1080 will get a price cut sooner or later, I don't think it will happen anytime during 2016. Even with the current, absurd, eye-watering prices, they will still be sold out almost instantaneously. Unless AMD kicks NVIDIa's butt with Polaris, but all signs so far point to that not happening.
I guess once 1080TI materializes, we will get price cuts for lower models, exactly like it happened with Maxwell.

 

[MuchoMalo]

While I don't doubt both 1070 and 1080 will get a price cut sooner or later, I don't think it will happen anytime during 2016. Even with the current, absurd, eye-watering prices, they will still be sold out almost instantaneously. Unless AMD kicks NVIDIa's butt with Polaris, but all signs so far point to that not happening.
I guess once 1080TI materializes, we will get price cuts for lower models, exactly like it happened with Maxwell.

They'll sell out because stock is low, which is the reason for the high prices in the first place. I'm 100% positive that we'll see non-reference cards at MSRP not only this year, but well before the end of summer. There's not a single doubt in my mind that the MSRP is more than just marketing.

All I know is that they've lost a sale from me otherwise, at the very least.

 

[Ragnorok64]

OK I've been out of the video card game for a while. What are people talking about when they say "founders edition" and "reference card?"

 

[SGRX]

I'll definitely be picking one of these up to replace the 970 in my HTPC, great value for the price. I'll wait for the non-reference cards, though.

 

[Durante]

You know, I'd at least wait for standard partner cards (so not OC models and not FEs) to arrive on the market before making far-reaching claims that they will never exist or not arrive in 2016.

 

[arevin01]

My wallet is ready. But not gonna fall for the scam FE.

 

[Mithos]

That is simply beastly for $379.

I wish I could pick it up for this price, the GTX 970 is priced that right now, and that is AFTER a "price drop to get rid of them" because of 1070, 1080 coming. =(

 

[Evilmaus]

So I have a Nvidia GT 640. I actually managed to beat MGSV and a bunch of other games with this beast.

Do I now upgrade to the GTX 1070, GTX 1080, or wait and save more for the TI cards?

 

[TheExodu5]

So I have a Nvidia GT 640. I actually managed to be MGSV and a bunch of other games with this beast.

Do I now upgrade to the GTX 1070, GTX 1080, or wait and save more for the TI cards?

Get a 1070 and call it a day. The gains you will see are absolutely massive.

Seriously...we're talking like 12x the speed at least. A GTX 1080 will be 14x the speed instead...not worth the 40% increase in cost in your case, IMO.

 

[CHC]

You know, I'd at least wait for standard partner cards (so not OC models and not FEs) to arrive on the market before making far-reaching claims that they will never exist or not arrive in 2016.

Too rational, I'd rather just be mad online.

 

[hikarutilmitt]

Hm... Coming from a 660ti will be fun, though I might just wait until the 1060/1060ti is out to see how they price and perform.

 

[shark sandwich]

So I have a Nvidia GT 640. I actually managed to be MGSV and a bunch of other games with this beast.

Do I now upgrade to the GTX 1070, GTX 1080, or wait and save more for the TI cards?

Go for the 1070! It's an insane upgrade over what you have now and the price is right.

If I had to make a bet, I'd say we will not see a Ti card this year. MAYBE a Titan but that's it. I wouldn't be surprised if they reuse GP102 for 1100 series.

GTX 1170: full GP104 with faster clocks (basically an overclocked 1080)
GTX 1180: cut down GP102
GTX 1180 Ti: full GP102

That's the exact same thing they did with the 600->700 series. And given that they are unlikely to face competition from AMD at the high end this year, it would not surprise me in the least if they do that again.

 

[Odrion]

So while the 1080 has been taking up most of the attention it looks like once again the X70 card is the more impressive card.

If you're okay with 1080p 60fps you could probably use this card for a long, long, long, long time.

 

[Durante]

So while the 1080 has been taking up most of the attention it looks like once again the X70 card is the more impressive one.

That depends on what you consider "impressive".

If you are talking about price/performance, then yeah, obviously the highest-end card introduced at any point will suck, that's how it has always been.

 

[RaySpencer]

Nice, I wish I would have waited instead of getting a 980ti back around Christmas, but I needed it for VR...

...I didn't think it would take 5 months to get my headset (still waiting).

Oh well! My 980ti will be good till a 1080ti or maybe an 1180ti comes out.

 

[ZOONAMI]

AIB cards cost a little bit more but rarely +$100. I remeber getting my 970 G1 at $349 or $359 (970 MSRP was $ 329)

The reference card is $450.

 

[Kaako]

This pleases me, greatly.

 

[Sulik2]

This card isn't going to be able to be found in stock for under $500 for months. Demand on these is gonna be insane with that kind of performance and drive up what they are sold for.

 

[thefil]

Would love to see this compared against my 660 Ti. I'm guessing my card would be at what, 20%?

 

[mattiewheels]

I normally never pay over $250 for a card, but if this thing gets a sale for $350 I feel like I have to get one. It would replace a 7870 that still serves me very well, but this deal is too good.